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What's with Eli's boneheaded decisions ?

SoZKillA : 9/16/2013 12:38 am
Pressing ? No run game ? Bad play calling ? Forcing to many throws ?
Eli is gangsta  
SHO'NUFF : 9/16/2013 12:40 am : link
Eazy E just don't give a fuck...
Two of them were bad decisions  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2013 12:41 am : link
Two others were bad misplays between him and the receivers.
Honestly  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 9/16/2013 12:51 am : link
Our run game has been abysmal... and it appears like Eli is trying to do too much.

You can see that with the forced balls into triple coverage.
I don't even want to reply to this . . .  
Ralph.C : 9/16/2013 12:51 am : link
. . . but I will.

He's not making "bone-headed" decisions. The offense is not working and all of the weight is on him to make things happen via the long-ball/quick-strike.

1.2 yards a carry. The Giants offensive system is all about "balance" and The Giants have none. This makes Eli's desperate attempts seem "bone-headed." The play-action fake is meaningless and laughable and that was the Giants "bread and butter" in recent years.

No run.

No win.

Ralph  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 9/16/2013 12:52 am : link
Did you steal my thoughts before I posted? lol
First one  
mercy : 9/16/2013 12:53 am : link
was bad. Second was an unlucky bounce. The last two came when the game was over and Eli was just chucking trying to make a play. He doesn't care about his stats when the game is already over.
Not to make things worse but,  
prdave73 : 9/16/2013 12:56 am : link
even Phillips Rivers is looking amazing compared to Eli this season? wow. Maybe we should of moved up and taken DJ Fluker.. Fluker looks like the real deal, to bad would have been nice, especially on the run game..
the first one was ill-advised  
lalalalala : 9/16/2013 1:01 am : link

what makes it worse is that the route being thrown wasn't the run that was being run, but the opposite. lol. that was just a disaster of a play.
Well it's the first time we've ever seen this in Eli's career, right?  
BlueLou : 9/16/2013 1:02 am : link
The better question might be, what is it that clicks "on" in Eli's brain when he stops making bad decisions?
prdave  
Blueballz : 9/16/2013 1:06 am : link
Phillips was amazing for all 4Qs, which is something you haven't seen from him in the last couple of years. He was throwing it to wide open receivers all day. But you can chalk it up to a horrid Eagles D, or Phillips making the right reads all day.

As for Eli, what can you say, he has to make his making tough reads and throws where basically he has to read his WR's mind, in an overly complicated Gilbride run and shoot offense. Of course he'll make throws that will make you at first think "WTF is he throwing too"? But of course, it's not necessarily his fault.
Tim  
Ralph.C : 9/16/2013 1:08 am : link
Great football minds think alike.
Bluebalz  
Ralph.C : 9/16/2013 1:19 am : link
If the Giants were running the ball then the system would not be a problem. The problem is that as the game goes on, defenses do lose respect the run and simply play pass. No defender bites on a play-fake and there is plenty of time for them to compensate if they do happen to guess wrong. The Giant offensive line has absolutely no power, their most dangerous running back is preoccupied with hanging onto the ball, and they could play a hand of gin-rummy in the secondary and still get to Jacobs before he reaches the line-of-scrimmage even a a hole were there.

It's not the system. It's the line.

And the coaching staff can't do much about it because GOD FORBID you make them practice in pads twice a day for a week.
Bluebalz  
Ralph.C : 9/16/2013 1:21 am : link
If the Giants were running the ball then the system would not be a problem. The problem is that as the game goes on, defenses lose respect for the run and simply play pass. Defenders don't bite on a play-fakes and there is plenty of time for them to compensate even if they do happen to guess wrong. The Giant offensive line has absolutely no power, their most dangerous running back is preoccupied with hanging onto the ball, and they could play a hand of gin-rummy in the secondary and still get to Jacobs before he reaches the line-of-scrimmage even a a hole were there.

It's not the system. It's the line.

And the coaching staff can't do much about it because GOD FORBID you make them practice in pads twice a day for a week.
I'd just like to see them be able to line up and run out of the I  
lalalalala : 9/16/2013 1:26 am : link

or an ace set. That they won't even bother going under center is pretty disturbing. It sure doesn't help the running game because how many different runs can you really give out of the gun, with an immobile QB. shit, they have Eli simulating read-option to try and help. lol.
Don't disagree Ralph C  
Blueballz : 9/16/2013 1:29 am : link
but you would think our coaching staff recognizes we don't have the O-line to run the ball, when their interior D-line are regularly blowing up Snee to make a -3 yd TFL that puts Eli and the offense into such tough situations where he is forced to throw deep, and the defense recognizes this.

Dear God, coach Peyton Manning realized this mid-game and got away from the between the tackle runs to outside runs that killed us for two TDs.
it is the offensive scheme  
oipolloi : 9/16/2013 1:38 am : link
on 3 of the interceptions, Eli and the receivers read the coverage differently. Eli threw the ball one place and the receiver went another.

Any time that happens, there is a good chance of an interception.

I think SHO'NUFF nailed it  
giantgiantfan : 9/16/2013 2:28 am : link
.
Two years ago everyone was debating whether Eli belonged  
Reese's Pieces : 9/16/2013 3:56 am : link
in the top five or top ten list of quarterbacks.

Now the only one who would include him in the top ten is his brother.
our offense is based on reads and timing  
eleven : 9/16/2013 6:19 am : link
And chemistry. Very difficult for everyone to see the same thing. An offensive system like the wco, everyone knows where each other is going to be at all times. Then its only about execution. That's why the packers offense looks so damn good no matter who is playing wide out or qb. Our offense is impossible to stop when its clicking buy its almost impossible to click. Gotta simplify the playbook to keep everyone on the same page
It's all a function of the worst OL  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/16/2013 6:36 am : link
Eli's played behind. It is what it is. Talk about an easy task for opposing defenses. Sure there's been miscommunication but this OL is a disaster and if they can in ruck themselves this team will be lucky to finish 8-8.
I'm with BlueLou's 1:02 post  
Blue21 : 9/16/2013 6:47 am : link
That's as positive a spin I could put on it.
eli has not been great, but the only thing so far he should  
hitdog42 : 9/16/2013 6:48 am : link
Take any blame for, as a veteran and intelligent 2 time sb winner, is not "manning up" and advises the coaching staff on what would take pressure off the run game and deep pass game. Hearing "execution" and we "missed some plays" is fcking bullsh@t. We didn't miss anything. The end of the half int... The post was covered AND the corner was covered... Its not execution, its a lack of options, and a lack of acknowledgement, that your offense is a dinosaur now. And yes 2 years something can become a dinosaur. Downfiedl passing game works only with threat of run... And route trees work when teams are not cheating to double them in the sweet spots because there is zero threat of a check down and likely we will send 3 guys 15 + yards downfield
run game  
chiller99 : 9/16/2013 6:53 am : link
Did anyone really think Wilson or Scott were slow enough to wait for Boothe or Snee to plod into the gap ?
If Myers doesn't trip and Randle doesn't fumble,  
CT Charlie : 9/16/2013 6:53 am : link
we're looking at Eli a lot differently.
Reese's Pieces, thought you might find it interesting to know  
Great White Ghost : 9/16/2013 6:55 am : link
Eli is currently ranked 9th among QBs for 2013 through 2 games by rating, and is 2nd overall in most yds .........to only his brother.
tired arm  
exiled : 9/16/2013 7:19 am : link
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the systems blows  
whobetta : 9/16/2013 8:06 am : link
unless you have stud WR's / OL / QB / RB / TE... oh wait.

Eli is the only freaking QB that gets the "unlucky bounces" WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT. that kind of bad luck is not possible with out the help our offensive system feeds into it.

the constant miscommunications between him and the WR's is unbelievable. do other teams ever seem to have as many of those as we do?

He throws one way, they go the other?

sorry but this system is a shitstorm
Dearth of alternatives  
RB^2 : 9/16/2013 8:42 am : link
seems like a fair explanation.
Giants  
Paul in Brooklyn : 9/16/2013 8:44 am : link
fans have turned rationalization and magical thinking into an art form.
There is plenty of blame  
Doomster : 9/16/2013 8:45 am : link
to go around....Eli has 7, yes 7 interceptions....

Someone said the OL pass blocking is terrific....I think most would disagree...

Based on two games, should we have kept Black Unicorn over Myers?

How many passes are these receivers going to drop?

But that int before the half, is all on Eli...you take what the defense gives you and his only option was to force a pass into coverage, on first down, with timeouts in hand? Inexcuseable....
Sanchez  
Loluchka80 : 9/16/2013 10:40 am : link
I'd rather have sanchez at this point. eli has been, and will continue to be a turnover machine.
It's part of who he is  
Jerry in DC : 9/16/2013 10:48 am : link
It's been like this for a long time. He's going to have some games where he looks like the best QB in the league, some where he's pretty good, and some where he makes a ton of mistakes.

Over the years, he's cut down on the terrible games - they're not as frequent as they were when he was younger. And even with all the picks in Dallas, it wasn't an overall terrible game. He threw lots of good passes in that game.

He's not going to throw 50 picks this year. But he'll probably throw 20. He's not going to throw 20 every year (obviously).

It's who he is and it's who he's always been. He's a good QB with a very high ceiling over short periods of time. You just hope he hits that high ceiling at the right time, which he has done at crucial and glorious times during his career.
This is the downside of  
AnishPatel : 9/16/2013 10:55 am : link
the system we run. I am surprised people are finding this shit out now. Didn't they show a stat, that since 2004 Eli leads the league in Ints.

This system offers zero margin for error. A miscommunication between Eli and the skill spots end up in an Int. We are lucky if it's a fucking incomplete pass. Ball goes one way, WR goes another way.

This happens every game, of every year. Add stupid bad luck plays, or just bad passes, and those account for Ints. If someone else at another position fucks up our offense now, all of a sudden, racks up turnovers at an alarming pace.
hitdog...  
M.S. : 9/16/2013 11:34 am : link
...I agree with your thoughts.

Anish... the mis-communication story line is getting very old and very tired.

That INT was not a mis-communication pass.

That was a ball that should have NEVER been thrown. Eli threw it up with Denver Broncos blanketing his receiver.

Bad... as in very bad.
Eli being Eli  
hudson : 9/16/2013 11:34 am : link
In my view. This is who he is, a streaky QB who can get it together at big moments but struggles with turnovers, accuracy, and consistancy.

He brought us two SBs but he is not an elite QB like Brees or Rodgers. He is a good QB who can be great for periods, but overall, a B type.
I mean the INT...  
M.S. : 9/16/2013 11:34 am : link
...at the end of first half.
I think he's trying to do too much with no run game  
RoadWarriorz : 9/16/2013 11:38 am : link
He knows he has to do everything himself.
We wouldn't have been in the game without him, but we basically abandoned the run game halfway into the 2nd quarter.
Good God  
Modus Operandi : 9/16/2013 11:42 am : link
Did someone above say they'd "rather have Sanchez at this point?"

giving up too early on the running game  
xtian : 9/16/2013 11:51 am : link
i know the gmen werent getting anywhere with the run game, but when you have someone like david wilson who could break off a long TD at any moment you give it more tries.

and how about a few screens to wilson after sending three WR deep. must get wilson the ball in space. bad strategy if that is never even tried--they did a couple with scott, and while is as fast as wilson, he is nowhere near as shifty.
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