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Justin Pugh lack of size and strength

ItsShowtime : 9/17/2013 4:21 pm
How much stronger are we expecting him to get? He has a small frame and small arms. He will not be getting much bigger at all. The one thing that sticks out is how small he looks out there. There are TE's that look bigger. He doesn't get any push at all on his defenders. ZERO. I can't think of any situation where he can be our starting RT for the next 3-4 years or for the remainder of the contract.

Hate to sound so negative but it doesn't look like a good pick at all.
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Sweet Jesus.  
BigBlueBuff : 9/17/2013 5:40 pm : link
Justin Pugh is NOT going to be a center. That is the most obnoxious falsehood to come out of the entire offseason.
until we  
Bleedin Blue : 9/17/2013 5:43 pm : link
solve our O-Line problems we will more than likely never use the TE as anything more than a safety valve and a blocker. So forget about using a high pick on a TE, til we fix the O-Line and possibly get a new Off. coordinator (I am not advocating that) the TE is not used like other teams use their TE's. Look how we used Shockey as soon as Coughlin and Gilbride got here.
I'm also  
Bleedin Blue : 9/17/2013 5:45 pm : link
happy with Pugh's play thus far, he's one of the bright spots on our line.
He's 23 years old, 6-4 and 301.  
old timer : 9/17/2013 6:04 pm : link
He will still mature for a few years. That means he will get naturally stronger and bigger as well. Plus, he is now getting the one thing he hasn't had, experience.

IMHO, he and Beatty will book end the Giants line for many years.
Geez...calm down about Pugh  
Rick in Dallas : 9/17/2013 6:05 pm : link
He has played 2 freaking games and is one of our better OL. He has held his own and will get even better with time.
arcarsenal : 9/17/2013 6:06 pm : link
He's actually been one of the better players on the OL so far. Don't let that stop you from creating a useless thread, though.
In the upcoming weeks  
ghost718 : 9/17/2013 6:50 pm : link
Pugh will face players like Charles Johnson,Justin Houston,Barwin / Brandon Graham.

We'll see how he does,especially against guys with power
Well, he has already played against Demarcus Ware too.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2013 6:53 pm : link
Still haven't found the motivation to go back and watch that  
ghost718 : 9/17/2013 6:55 pm : link
So I can't comment,but I know he had a few cup cakes in the pre season.
Asshole starts a thread and doesnt bother to respond to anyone  
Rob_MTL : 9/17/2013 6:59 pm : link
he's probably  
Bleedin Blue : 9/17/2013 7:05 pm : link
a troll or dupe!
stretch234 : 9/17/2013 7:20 pm : link
Pugh 6-4 307

Joeckel 6-6 306
Fisher 6-7 306
Johnson 6-7 303

Yes, he is too small
I think he has done well in pass protection  
oipolloi : 9/17/2013 7:26 pm : link
that one play where the guy just went by him was a running play where Pugh was getting ready to fire into the DL and he just whiffed. When he gets back in his pass blocking stance, he has done a good job.

Pass protection is just a lot more important than run blocking these days. It just is. Obviously, you want a guy who does both. But those guys are all pros. If you have to choose at the tackle spot, you want a guy who pass block. And Pugh can do that.

And just for the record, I was very skeptical of the Pugh pick. But after seeing him, I think he is going to be a good OL. Not easy for a rookie to come in and play tackle.

Although a lot of posters on this board are pretty sharp,  
Reese's Pieces : 9/17/2013 7:38 pm : link
you really can't judge the career of a rookie OT when he is thrown into the lineup on opening day.

One other observation: I have heard a lot, and thought so myself, that a big part of the effectiveness of the OL depends on the guys having played as a unit for a substantial time. This probably goes back to the '86 Giants for me when the "lunch pail guys" had only one high draft choice, William Roberts. Two were eighth round picks and Jim Burt was signed from the USFL.

With the injuries and the newcomers, the Giants line just has none of that. They should get better as the season goes on. In fact I think that the team will be playing a lot better by the second half of the season, but by then it may be too late.
blue42 : 9/17/2013 8:00 pm : link
has played pretty well if you ask me. He was tested against very good players and did a good job. I didn't like the pick, wanted the UConn LB but Pugh is good player.
which TEs look bigger?  
bc4life : 9/17/2013 8:28 pm : link
he's 6'4" 300 pounds.

Re: strength - there is a new invention called an nfl weight room.
if he was stinking the joint up  
bc4life : 9/17/2013 8:29 pm : link
we'd know about it - OLineman are anonymous unless they HOF or turnstiles.
I know a what his measureables are supposed to be.  
Crispino : 9/17/2013 8:45 pm : link
I'm just telling you that he has a slight frame compared to our other linemen. I would question his size compared to how he's listed. On the field, he looks smaller than every other lineman i saw in person.
bc4life : 9/17/2013 8:49 pm : link
it's your eyes
I'm not judging his performance or potential at all.  
Crispino : 9/17/2013 8:52 pm : link
If you had seen my post from my first training camp visit, I mentioned his size. Right from the get go I said that he looked like the smallest O lineman in camp.
holy crap  
chris r : 9/17/2013 8:52 pm : link
its a legit question. He is undersized for a RT and hasn't been great in the run game. Just because something isn't the biggest problem doesn't mean it can't be talked about.
just googled  
bc4life : 9/17/2013 8:54 pm : link
Justin Pugh images - scrolled down and saw him standing next Hankins and Moore and he looked about the same size.
After all of the crap that has happened over the last two games,  
jintsfan : 9/17/2013 8:55 pm : link
10 turnovers, inability to run the ball, very little pass rush from the edge you think Pugh is too small to be playing in the NFL!
Lack of size hasn't hampered Beatty's career.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2013 8:56 pm : link
Theyre not mauling tackles. They're technicians. You don't absolutely need to be 330lbs.
scratch Moore  
bc4life : 9/17/2013 8:57 pm : link
I meant Herman
All I can say is,  
Doomster : 9/17/2013 10:04 pm : link
thank God we took an OLman.....there were a few here that suggested Manti if he dropped to us....

I wanted to go OL the first two rounds, but at the second pick there wasn't an OLman ranked high on the board, so Hankins was the pick......

We need OL help next year via the draft or FAcy.....we need two, and maybe 3 new starters...
Pugh is too small to play in the NFL.  
81_Great_Dane : 9/17/2013 10:43 pm : link
JPP is a bust. Wilson and Scott aren't NFL running backs. Baas is a free agent bust. Tuck, Rolle, Snee and Webster are finished. The linebackers are the worst in the league. Gilbride is too predictable. Cowher should replace Coughlin. Reese must go.

-- Giants fans on BBI
Pugh is somewhat small for a right tackle  
oipolloi : 9/17/2013 10:44 pm : link
and he will probably never be a great straight-ahead blocker. But the fact that he can step in and play RT as a rookie makes him a good value pick.
I would have  
TommyWiseau : 9/17/2013 11:13 pm : link
Preferred Winston in FA and Eifert in the 1st but that's me
Pugh is a OL position problem solver  
BigBlueCane : 9/17/2013 11:45 pm : link
put him in a position on the OL and he'll solve it by starting and staying there until moved.
They need to upgrade the OGs and OC  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/18/2013 12:22 am : link
Holy fuck  
Kulish29 : 9/18/2013 4:06 am : link
It's two goddamn games!
Not surprised that radar sides with  
Peter in Atlanta : 9/18/2013 6:51 am : link
room to grow  
culloden1745 : 9/18/2013 7:08 am : link
but i have yet to see a turnstile in slow motion on a replay with eli getting planted and pugh is just standing there and watching, flatfooted, 5 yards away.
Man you got to keep up with reality  
nicky43 : 9/18/2013 9:15 am : link
Of course it's not a good pick. The Experts at BBI have already deemed that Reece and TC have no clues about judging the physical, mental, and conditioning of NFL players.

Let me catch you up real quick here:
The season is already over for us and were supposed to be thinking about the 2014 draft.

So, the new and better BBI  
Randy in CT : 9/18/2013 9:23 am : link
is allowing this troll cunt to continue starting these trolling threads? Great!
wow I may panic during the game time  
Paul from Queens : 9/18/2013 9:24 am : link
but back in reality Pugh has only 2 games under his belt. JPP is a freak and will be again. Honestly the only guys I am really down on is Tuck our o-line, RBs and linbackers these will come around (I hope). Although hard to swallow when Osi has a TD interception and our d-lineman are doing the waltz with o-lineman
I see Miley the Troll  
Route 9 in LEH : 9/18/2013 3:15 pm : link
is back
Percy : 9/18/2013 5:00 pm : link
Is not and won't be the problem. And he'll get better. Can't say the same thing about some others (Diehl, Baas, Snee, Jacobs, Cordle, Herzlich, Meyers, Pascoe, Tuck, to name a few).
here is our OL roster  
xtian : 9/18/2013 11:30 pm : link
Offensive Linemen:
65 William Beatty OT 6-6 319
72 Justin Pugh OT 6-4 301
66 David Diehl OT 6-5 304
76 Chris Snee OG 6-3 305
77 Kevin Boothe OG 6-5 320
73 James Brewer OG 6-6 330
67 Brandon Mosley OG 6-5 318
64 David Baas OC 6-4 312
63 Jim Cordle OC 6-3 320

I have watched Pugh and I have been pleasantly surprised. For a rookie, he doesn't make many mental mistakes: holds, offsides, or obvious wrong assignments. He doesn't get out-quicked by DEs and overall does a good job in pass protection--his weakness is the bull rush. He will never be a mauler type and move people out with ease, but he will be able to pull and get to the second level. In today's game, that probably is more important.
Pugh's actual measured combine stats  
nygirlie : 9/18/2013 11:36 pm : link
show him at 6-4-1/2 and 307. These are actual measurements.
pugh combine stats - ( New Window )
Beattie's combine stats  
nygirlie : 9/18/2013 11:40 pm : link
show him at 6-6-0 and 307. nuff said.
William Beattie combine stats - ( New Window )
Pugh has done well  
Joey in VA : 9/19/2013 12:17 am : link
For a rookie who missed half of camp in a camp that features zero hitting. He will absolutely add about 15-20 lbs as he hits an adult spurt (one where your long bone growth finally stops and you simply get thicker) and spends a few years with football as his job.

You seem to be writing him off after 2 games, which quite frankly has to be criticized as stupid, no matter if you have a valid point about his play or not. He has been starting for roughly one month, did you expect a finished product on a disjointed offensive already?

He may move inside, it's entirely possible he's Snees replacement but for now he's our RT and doing a fair job, certainly better than what we had last year.
Beatty has a much longer reach, so he's better at redirecting  
David in LA : 9/19/2013 12:17 am : link
the pass rusher than Pugh. I know it's his first year, but I have a feeling RT is not the position that is best suited for his skill set.
Joey in VA : 9/19/2013 12:21 am : link
I agree, I think Pugh is destined to slide inside. He can be a devastating pulling guard, which is what made our running game so lethal when Ward and Seubert were here. Either way he's starting for a long time and playing well for a long time, he's a damn good football player.
Oh yeah, he definitely needs work in an NFL weight room  
David in LA : 9/19/2013 12:27 am : link
for 2 games, I can't say that I'm displeased with the pick. It's really concerning how bad the interior of the OL has been playing. You had some decent things to say about Brewer, do you think it's worth rolling the dice and inserting him into a starting role at some point?
I hope Joey is right, and Pugh slides inside.  
Exit 172 : 9/19/2013 12:28 am : link
The interior needs to be improved for the future ASAP. And I think we'll be able to get a solid right tackle somehow.
I think the best thing that Pugh has going for him right now  
Mike in Jersey : 9/19/2013 8:58 am : link
is that he is playing next to Chris Snee. Pugh looks like a Pro Bowler compared to Snee at the moment. Not sure if that says more about Pugh or Snee though.

That being said, I think Pugh has been very solid. He's been one of the better performers on our OL through 2 games.
Pugh can always save his money  
mrvax : 9/19/2013 11:31 am : link
and buy arm extensions if necessary. He is doing very well so far, IMO.
This thread is a joke  
KooKoo4Giants : 9/19/2013 12:38 pm : link
Justin Pugh will be a great one. He has INSANE athletic ability. He can move sink and explode like a tight end. Get a little bit stronger and he'll be a stud
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