John Madden interesting take on Eli

Its not as bad as it looked in real time. You have to give credit to Ware.

have been weird. There was the one to Ware and the one that bounced off of Scott's hand. The last two against Denver were heaves into the end zone where the team really had no other choice. I suppose he could have checked it down for some inconsequential stat padding.

I would be concerned if Eli was making shit for brains throws a la Mark Sanchez but I can't say I've seen that.

I should post some links for backup... Here are the game logs for the Giants since 1996 when going +2 or better in turnovers (66-1-1 record, 38-0 under TC)


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and 0-2. Sure.

give a crap about his stats. He'll throw the ball up deep in some circumstances (e.g., at the end of a half or a game) where we need a score and he's gonna give a receiver a shot at a play. He knows that the odds are against a completion, and that an INT may happen, but he does so to try to win and damn the stats.

He makes his share of bonehead throws, but he also sacrifices his stats for the possibility of a win. Very unlike some QBs who dump the ball off for short gains time and again when down by a ton of points near the end of a game, or Jerry Lucas, who would fight with a teammate for a rebound as time was running out to pad his stats.

Since 2009 Eli has become more Brett Favre like in his decision making. All about the deep ball. In 2010 it was obviously too forced.

2011 was perfect, just the right amount of short passes to stretch out the d.

2012, not enough short game.

2013 it looks even worse

and every time Eli throws short to Cruz it's a win for the D. Myers, as others here have noted, seems to be the guy you throw to when you want to turn 3rd and long into 4th and short.

It was interesting to see the Broncos and Peyton Manning dink and dunk the Giants to death when they couldn't get the run game going. Essentially, that was the run game. The Giants have gone to quick slants when that's what the defense gave them, but they don't seem to like it and try to get away from it quickly.

They need the option of dump-off passes to the RB and FB. But oy, the running backs...

Perhaps, but it's also possible that a concerted effort to cut down on turnovers may reduce the effectiveness of the offense. Tough to quantify. If that's true (I'm not saying it is) that may be a damning statement about the system. I'm not ready to say that though because I don't have data on it one way or the other.

if he would just look before he throws... even on replays he closes his eyes... He seems to always throw to spot and it gets us in big trouble. The pick six int for a touchdown against seattle a few years back, the pick six he gve to Kerrigan against the redskins in 2011, demarcus ware this year...all because he didn't look before he threw...literally half the picks come from these bullshit timing routes with adjustment by the qb.

we cannot afford to play a big play offense. We need to be efficient and score as often as possible.

2010 - 1 every 21.7 tosses 4K yds
2011 - 1 / 36.8 5K yds
2012 - 1 / 35.7 4K yds
2013 - 1 / 13 800 yds or projected 6.4K yds and this is with absolutely no run game.

So I get what Madden is saying, if you're throwing it a ton because that is all you have to your offense at this point, then yes, one would have to excuse and accept the high rate of Int's thus far this year as part of the "system".

and I understand 6400 yds is a crackhead number, so something will change. I yes, I hope the Int's are what will change.

He's on pace for another 48 interception year!

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I don't think you have that right.

From 4 yards away, Eli threw a lazer that Scott never saw until the last nanosecond. And when he DID see it, the ball didn't bounce at all. Scott made a split second stab with an out-stretched arm and that ball went ricocheting right into a waiting defender for a Pick 6.

That INT is on Eli. There is no other interpretation, and I don't care where Scott was supposed to be standing or when his head was supposed to be turned around. Eli threw just an awful, ugly pass there.

is right, eli has no touch on those dump off and screen type passes. i remember in the tampa bay playoff game in 2007 he lazererd one in to jacobs from about 2 yards away in the red zone. he held onto it and scored but he really stuck it on him. he's been doing this shit for years. difference is now is the jitters seem worse because his oline has fallen off so sharply.

i can easily foresee they'll just keep forcing the same 2 run plays and not work on any kind of short passing game at all. i hope i'm wrong because its getting hard to watch.

is one of the Grandmasters of NFL football. He's not exactly saying something stupid.

We live by the sword and die by it. I'll take two rings and a lot of maddening games over a stellar regular season that ends with nothing annually

Eli never throws another pass to Scott again. Scott has to be aware out there, period.

that if he didn't throw at least two interceptions in the game then he was playing it too safe.

I remember hearing that comment. Unfortunately, Parcells teams usually had a good defense.

since 2007..

Moving on...

A few less than 7 would be nice