When will Fewell's job be in jeopardy?

to thrash on Fewell. Like him or not, but I did not see the defense as the problem in both losses.

Alex?

The defense was left hanging out there by the offense in both games. For the most part they held their own until fumbles as picks put them in crap positions. In the Dallas game they held Dallas to 3 points on the first 3 turnovers. And the first one was from about the 5 yd line. What more could we have asked for?

Has the defense won us games? No. But they haven't lost them for us either. They've been very average and hopefully with JPP getting healthier and these guys settling in they become better than average.

The two losses are mostly on the offense total inability to run and the insane turnover numbers.

But they still have trouble setting the edge on end runs and the Broncos exploited that twice on two touchdown runs by Moreno. I would like to see the defense be more agressive also. They always seem to be on their heels.

With the addition and excellent play of T2 it and Rolle now pretty much playing his natural position the secondary I believe has been the strength of the defense, that does not include the linebacker play, as well as the interior line play.

I never liked Fewell as DC. Overall they really only had one dominat run with him as DC and that was the final four games and into the playoffs the year they won the Super Bowl. Other then that his defenses always seem to get out maneuvered by the opposing teams OC during the course of a game.

I see your points. I just think the premise of the OP is way overrated. After thinking about the last two games: If you are calling for the DC to get fired, what' in store for the rest of the team? Skinning?

sorry

Has been set very recently with respect to changing a coordinator late in season and then winning the Super Bowl. Last year the Ravens stagnent offense switch horses in mid stream firing their OC and hiring Jim Caldwell. He did something to Flacco and their system to change/invigorate the troops. I don't know who is not sick and tired of watching our passive defense not fly all over the place.

This is not about the last 2 games this is an ongoing problem. We can't manufacture pressure on the passer. Last year it was giving up far to many home run plays, this year the Knowsean Moreno double take was embarrassing and Fewell rarely makes in game adjustments

I'd rather have Spags back. He's familiar with our coaches and many players on the team still. I'd welcome his aggressive style back in a heart beat.

Crappy punting by Weatherford, the crappy play by the interior OL (especially Baas) on running plays, and Eli's multiple picks puts way too much pressure on the defense.

Some change will be made unless will start to win. I most definitely sense a loss in Carolina this week, AND FINGERS WILL BE POINTING.It won't simply be the 0-3 record, it will be the 3-9 in our last 12 games and what may clearly be a 3rd year in a row and 4 out of 5 with no play-offs.

It will only be two years in a row with out making the playoffs. But it definitely woul be 4 out of 5 yeas with no playoffs. When Eli had us in the playoffs 5 of his jest 5 years as a starter.

five years. Not Jest. Auto Correct.

Unless the OL starts keeping defenders out of the backfield on running plays.

I'm afraid the backups aren't much better, Reese needs to retool the interior OL through the draft (in the first three rounds) and free agency. Snee and Baas are horrendously overpaid, Reese needs to restructure their contracts.

Against Dallas their defense was designed to not let the WR beat them - they were successful. 30 other QB had a higher YPA than Romo than Romo that week.

Dallas started 3 drives in Giants territory and got 3 points. The D also gave the offense the ball back late 2 consecutive times

Against Denver they limited the first 2 threats in Thomas & Welker pretty well. They have been better against the run

The defense is not why this team is 0-2

if you don't have blitzers who can get home. Which of our LBers do you expect will get to the QB if they blitz? I think we are one of the worst blitzing teams around (but of course, I'm biased and haven't done any research to back that up). It just seems that for several years now we haven't been very good at blitzing - with only the occasional results from the pressure. Most of the time we telegraph the blitz.

the 2 losses. The offense was responsible for the both losses. In DAL they literally gave the game away. All the points were either direct TDs by the DAL defense or scored by the DAL ofense from extremely generous field position courtesy of Giants tournovers. Against Denver, the D was outsanding in the 1st half and the Offense could not put up 1 fucking TD in 3 chances in plus territory. Think the game may have ended differently with even 2 TDs in place of 3 FGs in the first half and the Giants are up 17-10 or 21-10?

The only pick that pressured the defense was the 2nd one.

First was at the end of half that was kneel'd. The last two were ducks at the end of the game when the game was out of reach. I say settling for FG's was a bigger issue, but you can tie that in with rushing/OL issues because their overall production.

I do recall on more than a handful of defensive snaps that a DB would line up close to scrimmage and maybe it's up to them to make a read but sometimes they did blitz and never got home, and other times they back pedaled into coverage.

Nevermind that the D looks to be moving in a better direction and that the offense has cost us big time by turning the ball over 60 times a game and continuing to kick field goals over and over again rather than score TD's... just fire the DC. That'll fix everything.

How often do you think teams in the NFL win when they give the ball away 6 or 4 times?

I'm not a fan of Fewell (never have been) and a lot of people have been calling for his and Gilbride's heads on platters but I've seen few suggestions of who would replace them. Promoting from within doesn't make much sense to me since this seems like an overall organizational issue (and I highly doubt the Giants organization will make such a drastic move mid-season). It seems like "new blood" is what is being called for, and I don't disagree.

I'm not trying to be flip - I seriously am not familiar with who else is available who could actually produce results with the players the Giants currently have.

He's good at it, and if he stays healthy and gets his timing back, he'll be a weapon. Maybe Hosley and Taylor can apply some pressure from the backfield too.

Fewell is a realist about his players' capabilities. Early in the 2010 season, he designed a whole package to create rush opportunities for Kiwanuka. It worked great until Kiwi suffered a serious neck injury. He hasn't been the same player since. Moore will be that guy if he can stay on the field long enough to earn the coaches' trust.

I'd like to see what Herzlich can add to the pass rush, because he flashed those skills in college and he isn't much help in coverage. By sending the MIKE, though, you put enormous pressure on your DBs if it doesn't work perfectly.

nothing in New Orleans and the roster is radically different than when he was last here.

The offense has had plenty of opportunities to produce and do nothing. Defense has had nothing to defend. Have we had more than a 3 point lead all season?

you have to have the players to blitz....our linebackers are so bad, they do not have the ability to go though blockers....many times when they blitz, they are stopped dead in their tracks, or are taken out by the ankles.....this is the same reason they are poor against the run....they make contact and the runner still gets an extra 2-3 yards on the tackle....JW may have speed, but he does not have momentum....the others are slow....

But what gets me is, look at our alignment...four down linemen, and then you see the 3 horsemen 5 yards back....now, if they blitz from that position, they are just too slow and have to make up that extra 5 yards....

The OL looking at this alignment, has 5 blocking 4, maybe that TE gives a DE a nudge before he goes out, and you have a halfback that gives a chip block before going out...that's 4 guys rushing against 7.....easy to set up your blocking scheme...Is it any wonder we do not get to the qb?

The LB'ers have to be closer to the line to blitz....but they don't even have to blitz....the fact that they are jumping around near the line, makes the opposing OLmen have to think about them for at least a split second, which is some advantage to our DL, not much, but it is better than none....

And when they do blitz, there doesn't seem to be stunting involved to confuse the blocking assignments....our pass rush is just too vanilla....I want some whipped cream and some sprinkles on top....

...is that they take time and expose you to other kinds of damage. All that stunting, twisting, slanting and looping elongates the path to the QB and opens rush lanes. Great stuff as a change of pace, but lousy as a staple.

Coughlin is right: there's no substitute for beating your guy one-on-one. Even against max-protect, somebody on the DL needs to win.

is to blame for the last two games.

That said, it bugs me to hear the mantra of the D is getting tired because they can't get off the field. Seems to me, that's the result of a bend, don't break, defense. you bend, you bend, you bend, you stay on the field and get tired. Couple that with an offense that is not designed to drag out the clock (or simply can't drag it out no matter how it's designed), you have a recipe for a tired defense that can't hold late in games because they're too tired.

If the Giants perform badly and/or if and when TC retires.

Follow kiwis comments, hes been making them sine 2011.

won't make it to November if the pass rush is non-existent.

You don't keep drafting pass rushing DE's not to attack the QB. It's ridiculous.

...depends on how the defense plays the rest of the season. They clearly lack the "passion" for the game as has been expressed publicly by a couple of defensive players. They are looking for lightning to strike, a spark...etc. It all means the same thing....they are all waiting for "something" to turn them on.

I think this is because instead of turning them lose like using the NASCAR package in days gone by, we are sending only 4 down lineman and dropping everybody back in coverage.

That's crazy. Absolutely crazy. That will never excite this defense. Turn them loose, gamble, turn the sleeping giants into a pack of crazed dogs. Fewell promised that when they hired him, and this year the defense is completely uninspired and it SHOWS,

...but he hates Fewells scheme?

Thomas strikes again! Who's camp did that one come from...Kiwis or his agent?

...was four down linemen who could win solo matchups.

an important game that will be lost this season
when we need and it willl involve one or more
of our linebackers getting beat because they are
not good enough

that make you wonder are people watching games or just following "group speak" ?..

i would really like to know when people talk about blitzing, what LB'ers are they sending and who is dropping back in coverage?..As bad as the LB'ers are, they need to stay right where they are..

And if the blitzes are hitting home, is it because the blitzer picked the wrong gap or maybe the offense were prepared for the blitz..There are many times when the Giants are being blitzed and they pick it up..

Here is the starting field position of the 5 TD's the defense has given up this season.

vs. Dallas
DAL 29 - TD
NYG 16 - TD

vs. Denver
NYG 40 - TD
DEN 47 - TD
NYG 36 - TD


4 of TD's where the opposing offense needed 53 yards or less.

3 drives starting inside the Giants 40.

Only 1 "long" TD drive.

The turnovers have put the defense in compromising positions. You can't keep saying "pick us up" each and every time the offense keep giving it to the other team.

has the bend but don't break philosophy. He protects the team against giving up "the Big Play." Yes, his defense is somewhat conservative and I would like to see more Blitz's at times, but he also coached a team to a Championship where we gave up few points to a very good offense.

I actually really liked what he did against Dallas. He sent Williams in (twice that I remember) to take on an offensive lineman, freeing up the DL. Essentially, WIlliams was "blocking" the OL allowing one of the DL to get to the QB. I don't think a sack was registered, but both times we hurried Tony's pass. I don't recall seeing this against Denver, but I only re-watched it once so maybe I missed it.


What I really think we need to do more of, is stunt after the snap with our DL. Denver did this a few times last week and it was really effective. I can't recall seeing us do this at all. The only thing our DL will do sometimes is move around during the cadence so the QB doesn't know where they are coming from. But I'd love to see some stunts after the snap.

All that being said, Fewell's job is in jeopardy this year. We were towards the bottom of total defense last year. That needs to vastly improve. We are now 2 seasons removed from a Championship so nobody outside of Reese/Coughlin/Eli etc. are grandfathered in. If we don't make the playoffs, I could see a change at DC coming.

Just because the D did not necessarily loose the first two games does not mean they played very well.

Just like people are posting that it has just been two games and to relax about the Offense you can say the same for the average defense that has been played. It has been only two games.

I have zero faith this defense can come up with a big stop in a big spot.

LB corps is Division III quality

Tuck is finished

JPP is out of shape and not 100%

We need guys that can actually rush the QB...and guys that can FLY to the ball like Seattle

think he's a very mediocre DC. That being said, this defense may need some new talent. Tuck is trying his damndest and is actually pretty healthy, yet hasn't produced much yet, at least. JPP, we all know isn't 100% yet. And as much as I like Kiwi, he's been thoroughly average. I don't know if moving him back and forth hurt him (probably has to a certain degree) or what, but he doesn't look very impressive, at least not yet.

So, I'm fine with replacing Perry at the end of the season, especially since this is the last season of his contract. But even if he is replaced, we need some new DEs.

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Watch the games.

Dallas was 5/15 on 3rd down.


Denver was much better, but it's Peyton Manning. That grade curve is different.

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Tuck

NASCAR works when the Giants OL is scoring touchdowns by owning the LOS, pounding the rock, passing efficiently and using the clock. Then NASCAR and attacking the QB with this DL works. Otherwise, this is what we get. A Perry Awful mess which is complimented by inferior OL play.

Love the GM but he created a mess by not adding more to the OL.

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Either

A. Doesn't actually watch the games
B. Watches the games but has no idea what they're looking at
C. Watches the ball only in the games

Tuck since the beginning of training camp has looked as good as he has in quite some time.