I was having this discussion with a friend. Would you prefer the Giants to go 5-11, 6-10 OR go all the way to the superbowl and lose on a missed FG ala Norwood?
I would prefer the bad season so we could look forward to some better draft picks. But for the sake of the many giants fans that can't eat or think after a loss I'll hope for a heartbreaking end this way they won't have to endure so many losses.
to lose in the superbowl means we would have won 2 or 3 playoff games before that and that alone is worth the shitty ending and lesser draft pick.
Is a nightmare still. Ill take 2-14 and the draft pick thank you.
then 8-8 every time.
but 5 or 6 wins versus 2? I'll just take the medicine and accept a 2 win season.
Heartbreaking losses stay with you forever. A bad season HAPPENS to every team here and there in the NFL.
At least we'd be in it the whole season. Good for the fans and something for the team to build upon.
That said, this team has so far shown it doesn't deserve a heartbreak ending.
That niner game in 2002 never happened
and the Colts Luck.
I'd rather that then 6-10.
Or 0-16. Nothing inbetween.
of the games. I always would prefer going to the Super Bowl and losing. It means you had an extra month of enjoyment and entertainment. Nothing is worse than meaningless football in December. I don't get why people have such a hard time getting over SB XXXV. That was such a debacle i got over it in a hurry. The San Fran playoff loss? That one still stings. That having been said I'll live with one season going very south, and getting good draft picks.
This may end up being a bad season, but I doubt they'll be bad enough to garner a top 5 pick.
don't matter much as long as Perry Fewell and Kevin Gilbride are calling the plays. We need to get more out of the players and these clowns aren't getting it done. I suspect there's too much "thinking" going on out there on the field. The players should be let loose to do what got them drafted in the first place.
I do agree that the OL needs some serious beef added.
That means it was entertaining the entire way.
Football is entertainment. Entertain me.
so a heartbreaking ending I suppose.
Right now, I feel like the next three months are not going to be very much fun because we won't be in the race, or winning a lot of games.
I do see 4-5-6 wins as a very realistic possibility.
over complete suckitude every single day of the week and twice on Sundays. I view fandom as entertainment with an emotional investment and I see no downside of a season's worth of positives that end in heartbreaker as both entertainment and emotional investment have happened.
I suppose I might feel differently if the Giants hadn't won the whole thing before but after last weeks loss, I don't want to delve further into the recollections of the 70's.
My answer: It depends on what kind of team we are talking about (young team building for future, older team on it's last hurrah, or somewhere in between).
But for this NYGiants team, I would much rather endure a crappy season that yields big changes and a high draft pick than have another 8-9 win season where we miss the PO's but think everything is ok as is.
I'll take just missing. I do think there is more value in being competitive than in a better draft pick.
But when it comes to postseason heartbreak, that is tough to deal with. The Super Bowl in particular...if you get there, you better win it.
Not all games are made equally, you know? Who gives a shit if we lose to Oakland in October?
But that loss to Philly in '08. Christ, I can't shake that one.
and you bounce back the next season, I'd rather have that.
1988, 2002, 2010 stay with you. Who remembers 1996.
I remember where I was, what I was drinking, and who I was talking to on 1/5/2003 in that 49ers game.
I don't recall a single thing-outside of the Westbrook punt return & Horn cell phone incident-of the '03 season.
So, bad season. By far.
If we get a top 5 pick, then we seriously have to gut the whole roster, and those higher picks probably won't make much of a difference. If we can turn this around this year and find a way to be competitive, than a later 1st round pick and couple free agent moves can help us compete next year. Hell i know i'm in the minority, but i don't think we're out of this thing yet... aside from all the mistakes, we were competitive in weeks 1 and 2, for the most part anyway.
or a losing season? Yeah, that's a really hard choice.
...to see a team with some damn fire in their belly. This laying down crap is really embarrassing.
and get 5-8 talented young players to set us up for the next 8 years
see what happens. That's what you'd want every year.
That way you get some real enjoyment out of the season at least and it gives hope for the next season.
tank this bitch and ace the '14 draft
I've got a really busy autumn/winter ramping up and could do without the distraction of caring.
Im still bummed about 2000 baltimore and the playoff loss to the 49ers. Those dont go away, ill take a crappy year and some better picks.
Ask Colts fans which is the more painful memory: losing to the Saints in the SB, or the "Playoffs?!? PLAYOFFS?@?! You wanna talk about Playoffs?!?" season.
have a good season than a bad season. Going to the SB, winning playoff games, winning big regular season games - it's great.
I loved the 2000 season despite the major disappointment at the end. Those playoff games were absolutely awesome. I loved the Mets 2000 and 2006 seasons, the Rangers making the conference finals 2 years ago and beating the Caps each of the last two years. That game 7 stomping last year was brilliant - I was thrilled during and after that game. These things are fun, getting fired up for big games, winning some big game - there are things to enjoy in sports other than winning titles.
But there are times when I'd rather have a terrible season than a mediocre one. Certainly that applies in the NBA and it applies to this year's Giants. I'm still rooting for the playoffs, but if I had to choose between 7-9 and 3-13, I'd go with the high draft pick.
is better than a bad season. At least there are enjoyable weeks. I have been looking forward to this since January, and the season has been a complete debacle. On top of that, i spend a ot of money on season Tix.
But this is worst case scenario. I don't think any of us saw this team being THIS bad.
as opposed to 6-10 and miss. But if you're asking me get to the SB and lose a heart breaker, I'd rather not even get there.
and trade it for a boatload of high picks to rebuild quickly. We have a lot of age on the team and it's time to make that kind of move.
No wait, really?
...that said, I would enjoy watching a bad team more than a frustrating team. That team that seems to just let the game slip away, or looks poised to do something and then spits the bit. I could see this team 0-3 right now win the next 8 and then lose out the season, only missing the play-offs by losing in the final game by allowing the game winning 20 yard field goal be blocked and returned the other way for a touchdown causing the team to miss the play-offs. That would just be torture, but I can see it happening this year, the football gods can be just that cruel.
go winless and get the #1 pick.
I like when my team shows balls.
really aren't that tough to handle, at least for me. Unless you are a Browns fan and get beat over the head with them year after year after year, there comes a point where you just resign yourself to the teams situation. If the Giants lose a game at 2-5 Im not losing a ton of sleep. I've already adopted the mindset that its over. And little nuggets at the end of the rainbow as consolation prizes like the high draft pick help too
Nothing hurts more than getting really close and not getting it done. And Im not talking the Giants getting dominated in SB 35 (although that hurt a ton). Im talking the wide right scenario discussed in Dans post. Those are the ones you play the "what if" game forever with. I can't imagine the mental gymnastics die hard Pat fans will be going through with SB 42 and 46 over the next 25 years. Probably double what I still do with the 94 Knicks.
And in most cases, franchises who come that close to tasting glory and fall short have a tough time ever fully recovering. It is an organizational blow
I'd rather have the heartbreaking Super Bowl loss because it would mean that I watched competitive football games for another 4+ months.
However, I think the 5-11 season would be better for the Giants as a team because they'd probably recover faster and be competitive again sooner.
...since we've won 2 recently.
If we were a team that had never won one or hadn't in decades and got that close only to lose, though.. man, that would be tough.
and how far in development he is. If we had nothing but journeymen QB's, I'd go for tanking every time. If we had an established QB like Eli, I'd rather see 9-7 and 8-8.
grew up a Giant/Knick/Met fan. Too young for 86. Was old enough for 90, but not old enough to fully appreciate the rarity of championships. My experience was basically formed by the following...
94 Knicks- Lose finals
99 Knicks- Lose finals
00 Mets- Lose WS
00 Giants- Lose SB
When Tynes kick went through the uprights in GB, as thrilled as i was there was a part of me that was completely dreading the prospect of seeing my team get so close yet fall short again.
like Diehl, Snee and Kiwanuka at the end of the season and engage in a rebuild - rather than attempt to win a few more games next season.
mean you have a good team? Is 5-11, 6-10 a good team?
So, do I want a good team that goes to the SB and loses, or a bad team that fails early in the season, and loses a lot?
Guess.....you have 3 guesses....the first two don't count......
that are nice to imagine while your team is turning in a crappy season. But I also think about the players who will return the following year that much older, or who may not return at all. If this season continues on this arc I'll not only be wondering about how we acquire the additional and upgraded talent we need to improve -- I'll also be wondering about whether the adequate talent we *do* have takes another dip.
Would you rather be Trey Junkin'd and have to deal with all offseason, or would you rather know you're out of it early, and look towards getting a major player in the draft.