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A vow from Antrel Rolle

Headhunter : 9/24/2013 12:59 pm
"Im going to tell you from this point on, I dont care what the situation may be, I dont care what the outcome is, I dont care what the hell has to happen,'' Rolle said on WFAN. "If they want to kick me up from around here, from the New York Giants, then thats whats going to have to happen but Im going to play Antrel Rolle ball the way I know how to play Antrel Rolle ball and Im going to lead the way I know how to lead. Because I dont give a damn what happens, that feeling that I felt last Sunday? I can never have that feeling again. I never had that feeling in my life and I can never feel that way again. Im going to do whatever it takes and anything it takes and whatever the outcome is, it is what it is. Im a man and I can handle anything that comes my way. But Im going to play football the way I know how to play football.'' #nyg
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That isnt Antrel  
dep026 : 9/24/2013 12:59 pm : link
I didnt see any "At the end of the days.."
zzzzzzzzzzzz  
Exit 172 : 9/24/2013 1:00 pm : link
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man, the Giants are aces when it comes to talking!  
Greg from LI : 9/24/2013 1:00 pm : link
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'Trel going  
SanFranGiantsFan : 9/24/2013 1:01 pm : link
rogue. If nothing else, it'll be interesting.
I will post Tuck's vow  
Headhunter : 9/24/2013 1:01 pm : link
when he makes it
Is that a shot at the defensive scheme?  
Britt in VA : 9/24/2013 1:01 pm : link
?
What does that even mean?  
81_Great_Dane : 9/24/2013 1:01 pm : link
Is he saying "Screw the scheme, I'm doing what I want."?
Hearing rolle with joe and evan before  
95cobraguy : 9/24/2013 1:02 pm : link
and hearing tuck in his post game presser on sunday it's clear certain guys care more than others.
Britt and I having the same thought.  
81_Great_Dane : 9/24/2013 1:02 pm : link
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81GD, that's how I read it.  
Britt in VA : 9/24/2013 1:02 pm : link
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i don't know what that means  
GiantsFan84 : 9/24/2013 1:03 pm : link
he's going to play ball the Antrel Rolle way? I suppose it can't be worse than the Perry Fewell way
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SanFranGiantsFan : 9/24/2013 1:03 pm : link
I'm half expecting 'Trel to punch out Fewell on the sideline Sunday if he doesn't like the defensive call.
Rolle is one who's been public with his beef  
JonC : 9/24/2013 1:04 pm : link
regarding the schemes PF deploys ... this wouldn't be a first, so the intent appears clear.
i wouldn't mind a full blown mutiny  
GiantsFan84 : 9/24/2013 1:04 pm : link
from the players. if the season is going to suck ass, at least that would be interesting

(half serious)
Unless Rolle is playing OL  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/24/2013 1:04 pm : link
It really doesn't matter. Whoever blames the defense for this embarrassment is a tool. You can't expect a defense to play shutdown football when they are constantly on the field.
"But Im going to play football the way I know how to play football"  
batman11 : 9/24/2013 1:06 pm : link
I know he is just talking, but is he trying to say that the coaches are trying to get him to play a less aggressive style? Are they trying to get him to play differently than he has played during his time in NY? Is he talking about them still playing him out of position, because I thought that had changed? I know, lot's of rhetorical questions with no answers.
Even if the defense played like the Seahawks D on Sunday,  
Exit 172 : 9/24/2013 1:06 pm : link
we would have at best had a 0-0 tie.

I'm not a Fewell guy, but at least the D brought it in the first half of the three games so far.
It means something coming from Rolle  
fuzzy : 9/24/2013 1:09 pm : link
He is the undeniable emotional leader of this defense. Other talkers on that side of the ball, not so much. Do we have an emotional leader on offense?
Is it now time to play  
Simms11 : 9/24/2013 1:14 pm : link
like "crazed dogs"!!!
AGF  
Bleedin Blue : 9/24/2013 1:14 pm : link
my thoughts exactly!!!
kind of reminds me of some of KP's gripes.  
dangerousrappingfrog : 9/24/2013 1:16 pm : link
If the players hate the message, it might be time (it is) for a new message.
would not hurt  
Fish : 9/24/2013 1:16 pm : link
To have Eli get all jay Cutler like on his oline.
It doesn't matter how much you yell at the OL  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/24/2013 1:19 pm : link
These are overly seasoned vets who are playing injured. You don't blame the player for not simply being good enough at this point, you blame the person who put these guys in position to play even though they cannot.
Definitely a shot at the defensive scheme  
mac attack : 9/24/2013 1:20 pm : link
They are asking him to play one way, and he is not comfortable with it. And now he's had enough and will do things his own way. Regardless of consequence. It will be interesting.

Major indictment of Fewell, IMO.
Things usually come unraveled when  
Matt in SGS : 9/24/2013 1:21 pm : link
players start saying they will do their own thing out there because they get frustrated by the scheme.

Remember this from Pepper Johnson in 1992, as he got fed up with Rod Rust?

Quote:
"This will be a street-ball game," Johnson said. "We have to play street ball along with them. If that means a few guys got to freelance and play on gut feelings, you do. I got to figure guys are just going to start to call their own defense."

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When Ray Handley, the head coach, was asked about Johnson's initial complaints, he said he had not heard them. Rust was unavailable today, and in the past he would not have responded publicly to such complaints. The other defensive players smile, content to let the loquacious Johnson carry their fight. Today, they greeted him with cries of "Aye, aye, captain."

Johnson intimated that the coaches and the players were on different wavelengths.

"I look at our coaches as being white-collar workers and the players as blue-collar workers," Johnson said. "It's hard to explain that to Brazil. That's why I might do some things I'm going to do. We just want to win the game, whatever it takes. It's nothing that reflects on the coaches. It might not play any part at all.

"I'm not just going out and blitz by myself. But just to make something happen, I might shoot a gap here and there. Rust and Brazil sometimes like that. As far as others playing off gut instinct, that's what we have to do. They can call certain defenses, and my responsibility might not be affected and I can do what I want. But if I have to cover a running back, I might just turn him loose, but I will make sure my safeties know. We're in a situation where I feel whatever it will take for us to win games, we do."

No matter how revolutionary this sounds, Johnson repeated that this was not mutiny.

"If stuff doesn't go the way we want them to go," he said, "I won't allow players to get in a group and say, 'Let's call our own stuff.' I'll take it to the head man and say we're not comfortable playing in this defense and we need to do something else.

"When you have dissention in the ranks, it blows everything apart. Rust is in charge, but the one thing they can't take away from us is we're on the football field playing the game and we have to play. We're the guys who have to go outside after this and walk the malls. We're the guys who can't go out to eat or go to the opening of 'X' because we don't want the television cameras in our face and have people say, 'He's from the Giants and they lost, and if we show him we might lose ratings.' "

Under the old defense, Johnson said, "We allowed the players to play."

"Now you're expected to be in one place," he said. "We have to play like a robot and go here and go there. In a game, the offense knows where it's going and the defense doesn't know where it's going. If we sit back and guess, we're going to stay a step behind. If you make them play into your web, you're better off. We have stuff with which we could set the tempo. It's in fine print. The emphasis is on something else."


This quote, now over 20 years old, is pretty much what Rolle is saying now. Needless to say, by 1993, there was a new coaching staff in town.
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/21/sports/football-giants-d-rebels-just-because.html - ( New Window )
but  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/24/2013 1:23 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 53m
Ouch. RT @ebenezersamuel: Hate to bring this up but for all Rolle's yapping, can't remember the last time I saw him make a meaningful play.
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Go Terps : 9/24/2013 1:24 pm : link
Just win the fucking game.
'Trel  
NewBlue : 9/24/2013 1:25 pm : link
When you say you have not experienced anything like last Sunday. Were you not with the team last year for out 37-0 beat down in Atl? And that game had serious play-off implications.
Matt  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/24/2013 1:25 pm : link
Good call I immediately thought of Pepper and Rod Rust when I saw Rolle saying this..

Rust and Fewell I hate both their schemes
NewBlue -  
Exit 172 : 9/24/2013 1:28 pm : link
It was 34-0, but your point stands.
What a brutal three weeks.  
bceagle05 : 9/24/2013 1:29 pm : link
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also  
Matt in SGS : 9/24/2013 1:31 pm : link
this would feed to Banks' theory of chemistry problems in the locker room. People thought it was players pointing fingers at each other. What this would show is a disconnect more between the players and coaches.
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arcarsenal : 9/24/2013 1:32 pm : link
Heh. I think he was just saying that he's going to go out there and give it 100% the only way he knows how.

Sometimes people are looking too hard for things that aren't there.
samuel nailed it  
Pete in VA : 9/24/2013 1:32 pm : link
Rolle is full of it, and I suspect his teammates know it. He's an average player (at best) with a big mouth. His talk hasn't impressed the team up to now, and there's no reason to believe that they'll suddenly start responding to him as if he's Ray Lewis.
Its either a shot at the scheme or a shot at the players attitudes  
PatersonPlank : 9/24/2013 1:32 pm : link
I can't figure out which
Again  
Bleedin Blue : 9/24/2013 1:33 pm : link
I didn't see the defense as being the root of the problem for the loss. Did it look like they may have taken a punch to the face as Banks' has said and not respond? Yes but these guys were on the field most of the game! It's the offense! If you were to look at this offense on paper, you'd think we'd be scoring thirty points a game, but the O-Line has negated any advantage we'd have! It doesn't take a genius to see where the problem lies.
Defense hasn't been the issue...  
Jan in DC : 9/24/2013 1:34 pm : link
They have been on the field for 3/4 of the time, so eventually their going to tire.
How do Rolle's comments  
Bake54 : 9/24/2013 1:36 pm : link
jibe with Coughlin's press conference on Monday? To me, it sounds waaayyy different than what the coach said.
Unless "A vow" is the name of a stud offensive linemen...  
BronxtoFTL : 9/24/2013 1:38 pm : link
Who cares.
sounds like he is  
Rob in Boston : 9/24/2013 1:40 pm : link
at least one player in open revolt against fewell. These players have short careers, can't be held back by what they may feel is bad coaching. "if you want to cut me, cut me, but i can't look back and say i didn't do it my way"

is how i read that.
Rolle  
Modus Operandi : 9/24/2013 1:40 pm : link
loves to talk. When was the last time he made a play? He's got to be among the most overrated Giants to ever put on a jersey.
Just to pile on with what others have said....  
Reb8thVA : 9/24/2013 1:40 pm : link
Rolle's comments seem to be indicative of a crisis of confidence in the coaching staff, or at a minimum just Fewell. We don't really know how far it extends. Do others on the defense feel the same way? Does it just stop at Fewell or does it reach up to Coughlin? Also are there similar feelings on the offense?

To me its clear the players have no confidence in themselves and there is now a sign that there may be decreasing confidence in the ability of the coaching staff to right the ship. I kind of hope we are reading too much into this because it could get real ugly.
Can you imagine if Mitch Petreus had a vow?  
GMAN4LIFE : 9/24/2013 1:41 pm : link
that would be gold
PatersonPlank  
Matt in SGS : 9/24/2013 1:43 pm : link
I first thought that Rolle might have been responding to Banks' call out that the players didn't care about getting their asses kicked. However, if you read that quote, he's basically saying he doesn't care what happens to him, he's going to go out there and play how he knows how to play and lead his way. If he was talking about playing with more emotion and fire....who would have a problem with that? Not the coaches.

However, if you look at it from the context of Pepper's comments during the Rod Rust era, they make much more sense. He's calling out Fewell. Remember back in 2011, he wanted to leave the team but Guinta talked him off the ledge? This isn't something that has come up after 3 losses. We are seeing old wounds now opened up because of the 3 losses.
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arcarsenal : 9/24/2013 1:43 pm : link
The quote also omits the last thing he said..

Which was "We WILL get this thing turned around"

Not sure why he'd say that if he had no faith in the coach.
if Antrel Rolle is an average player....  
Greg from LI : 9/24/2013 1:45 pm : link
...that makes him a superstar by Giants defense standards.
Matt  
JonC : 9/24/2013 1:45 pm : link
RE: Rod Rust, another zone heavy read-react philosopher of a DC too ... there is truth that TC hired PF (a Tampa-2 disciple) and the personnel really isn't a fit.
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NJGiantFan84 : 9/24/2013 1:46 pm : link
Quote:
That isnt Antrel
dep026 : 12:59 pm : link
I didnt see any "At the end of the days.."


LOL. Often, My dad will say "To Quote Antrel Rolle, At the End of The Day......." before he makes a statement. I laugh every time.
Kiwi just made a vow too!  
Danny Kanell : 9/24/2013 1:48 pm : link
Quote:
Mathias Kiwanuka: I have my dogs with me. We're ready to fight.



Might as well just hand us the Lombardi
considering there are still communication problems  
WeatherMan : 9/24/2013 1:49 pm : link
in the secondary after three damned years of Fewell I'm not surprised at there being issues like these cropping up... going to be a long year.
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