Do people think Reese should be fired?

Not at all. I think the members of the coaching staff should get a hard look, though.

I think Reese deserves the right to bring in the next, his first, coach of the team before he's put under the magnifying glass.

He needs to stop being so cute with his picks trying to uncover gold where there is none, and stick with picks that are further along at the same level and could produce for us sooner than later.

but he should definitely be on the "list" People also need to be reminded that 2007 was not his team either.. but more of Accorsi's team

shouldn't be fired. I think at the core he is very good GM, working under the cap and having a highly paid QB he has done what he could. I don't blame him for draft picks, some pop..some don't. I think we have a very poor DC and a very average OC.

but he has to up his game like everyone else. Everyone is underperforming lately...

I think he is one of the best GM's in the NFL. I have a feeling Coughlin is just as much to blame about the current state of the team with his insistence on keeping vets like Snee, Diehl, Tuck, and Webster.

Up in round one more. We have too many mediocre players and no great ones. His third and fourths never pan out. I'd rather one very good player than three avg to below avg players.

but there are alot of way overpaid underperforming players on this roster and that is on JR. The clearance rack and bargain basement shopping this off season was comical.

Reese makes the draft board yet the whole organization votes on the picks.

And tired of him drafting on potential instead of production.

But drafting players that fit the needs, and sooner, than hopes of 'projects' that have a low pan-out likelihood; as well as fitting the coaching schemes, and not Sintim-types.
It'd also help if veteran loyalty, part of Giants history, and failures, would be eliminated or significantly reduced, so as not to hamper him working within the salary cap by overpaying guys that have little football life left in them.
In JR I still trust.

He's had a pretty good run of low-prioritizing OL. Apparently you CAN get away with it at least for a while. It works until it doesn't. And now it doesn't. He's not blind, I fully expect him to adjust in April (or is it May now?). He might deserve to be skewered more for the coordinators and coaches he employs, however.

He was a poor hire, imho. then replace Gillbride after this year,

we need a better system, I am no expert, but I see week after week, WR's running wide open in other teams games and our WR's always TIGHTLY covered and Eli having to squeeze things in there, its aint working

Get me Denvers OC

But he needs to regroup this coming offseason with more cap room and clear out the veterans.

Taking a different approach in the draft might be needed as well.

I think any coaching decision will be made by ownership.

They have spent a lot of picks and resources at LBer (more draft picks at LB than any other position) and have only Williams to show for it. They need to fix how they scout and grade the position. They need to rely on work-out numbers a bit less than they do right now and gambling on potential. They need to spend more resources on the OL. Taking one OL within the 1st 3 rounds of every draft will keep a consistent influx of young talent at the positin and will prevent situations where everyone is old at the same time. Any team can be competitive if they have a great OL, even it the skill players are poor. The best skill players in the world can do nothing without blocking.

He just needs to learn from mistakes and improve.

but facts are facts: he inherited a top coach and QB and the only unit on this roster that would be considered above average right now is the WR's.

Seriously? The Giants have had exactly zero losing seasons and two SB wins under Reese. Even *if* they tank this year, that is remarkable run. He's been one of the most successful GMs in the NFL during his time here. Firing Reese would be just about the stupidest thing that the Giants could possibly do. There sure have been some strange posts around here this week.

But the In Reese We Trust thinking is foolish thinking because he's made so many mistakes on personnel lately.

tried to take shortcuts with the OL and at LB and it is biting him hard.

dump Ross.

Hell no......this is what he gets paid to do.

He'll be the primary person responsible for getting us out of this mess, if it indeed turns into a mess.

The coaching staff, however, needs a long hard look.

It's essentially been 10 years with the same voice........

said, he needs to up his game.

However, if this team tanks enough to warrant a coaching regime change, would you trust Reese is going to up his game in making the switch?

Wasn't one of the Mara's a candidate for his job back when he got it, and isn't that Mara still a bigwig in the management team? Seems to me I recall a power struggle (more of a disagreement amongst the powers) a couple years ago? Regarding Coughlin? That whole beast could rear it's ugly head if things go south the rest of the year. Or maybe I'm misremembering a whole bunch of stuff.

players tells the tale.

I would think about replacing Marc Ross though. However, if we go into the off-season operating under the same philosophies regarding the OL and LBs that would seriously bother me.

If he hasn't done so already put the coaching staff on notice, if this doesn't get turned around in a hurry there will be consequences.

However he should be put on notice as well for some of the poor decisions regarding FA signings or lack there of, and of course the retention of aging Veterans who's production doesn't maych there salary.

But that seat should be getting warm. Like Reb, I wonder if Marc Ross is more of the culprit than Jerry himself. When Jerry took over draft scouting under Accorsi, the horrid drafts of 1998-2002 turned into the terrific drafts of 2003-2007. Since Reese moved up to GM and Ross took over the draft, the drafts have gotten mighty spotty.

And I think it's getting time for wholesale coaching changes.

assess is the commitment to vets though I suspect that is more on TC. Assuming NYG has a top 15 pick or better, plus several vets leaving with big contracts then 2014 will serve as a decent measuring stick.

Of all the free agency signings he must regret Baas and how he deals with the OC position in 2014 bears watching. If the dead money number for Baas is $ 6.4M (I think that is correct,not sure)then it's a tough call releasing Baas.

Hopefully, he asserts some leverage with TC to replace Fewell as DC.Fix the interior OL, get a true MLB ( even one that plays only 2 downs)and replace Fewell and I see this team as very competitive...even if Nicks leaves. I think Joseph will be a much easier sign than Nicks.

They need a complete overhaul at LB. Most of these guys wouldn't make any other NFL roster.

the patterns of his previous success and needs to adapt to this current adversity. This doesn't concern me in the least because if he is the GM that we think he is then he is capable of re-inventing himself.

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assess is the commitment to vets though I suspect that is more on TC.

Part of the blame on composition of the roster has to belong to TC. I still hold Reese accountable, but he didn't act alone there.

This roster has too much talent to fault Reese all that much. There are definitely holes, but every roster has holes in the parity era. Our offense simply has not performed to it's talent level.

but his drafting genius at this point is more supposed than real. He is not a top five GM IMO. He is not Ozzie Newsome. Not even close. I have strenuously defended Reese in the past as such, but it's clear that was wrong.

There is no question he has had some successes in the draft, but there are a lot of question marks. Consider the following:

(1) Aside from Nicks and Beatty, he blew the entire 2009 draft, including a second and two thirds, on players like Sintim, Beckum, and Barden. Even Nicks was a bit lucky, as Reese admitted he really wanted to draft Darious Heyward-Bey. A lot of his other drafts are underwhelming.
(2) Marvin Austin over Steven Paea.
(3) David Wilson over Cordy Glenn.
(4) Got lucky with Steve Smith, because he really wanted to draft his teammate Dwayne Jarrett.
(5) Got super lucky with Victor Cruz.
(6) Pugh over Kyle Long. The jury is still out on Pugh, but right now, Long is a better player. Pugh is also a "technician," not the mauler most teams prefer at RT. In all fairness to Reese, a lot of RTs, including Fisher and Joeckel are struggling.
(7) Despite Beatty and Pugh, has largely neglected the OL. I and many people here would have been thrilled with Osemele for example.
(8) Total neglect of the LB position.
(9) Signed and then restructured David Baas, giving us real cap problems going forward.

I also disagree with his apparent philosophy that mid to low round draft picks should be used to find great athletes, even if they have limited football experience. The theory is that they can then be "coached up." Guys like Robinson and Taylor are his latest attempts in that regard. For the most part this hasn't worked out. I'd like to see these picks used for more established football players, even if they don't have "wow" workout numbers. The NFL graveyard is littered with great athletes who couldn't play. This is football, not the Olympics.

Much of our current problems are because we don't have enough young players ready to step up for the aging veterans. That is on Reese and Ross. What is really concerning is that we are wasting Eli's best years.

A good start would be for Reese to stop drafting athletes instead of established football players, but I doubt that will happen.

I would drop his overall grade at this point to a B-. Not enough to get fired, but there are real concerns. His leash is certainly a lot shorter than it was even twelve months ago.

no, but I don't have any problems with him being roasted.

I believe the 2007 draft was his last if I'm correct. 2008-2013 haven't been very good. But he no longer runs the scouting. Does anyone think that Jerry Reese will pick the next Giants coach if he lasts longer than the current one?

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"(Mara) is a very talented personnel evaluator who quite frankly could be the GM here or for any other team in the league," Reese said in an email from Mobile, Ala., where he's scouting college players at the Senior Bowl. "It's nice to have someone in your corner of his caliber to bounce things off of." In Mara's perfect world, he would be bouncing things off of Reese, not the other way around. Chris Mara wasn't just Wellington's son or John's brother. He wasn't merely promoted up the franchise ladder because he was born on the 5-yard line, first and goal. Chris Mara was passed over for Giants GM, but has still been a key part of Big Blue's success. At the time of Ernie Accorsi's retirement as general manager, Chris Mara had been a scout for Parcells' two Super Bowl titles and had established a track record outside the organization. He'd spent eight years running his own independent scouting service for more than a dozen NFL teams, and he'd served as a successful GM of the New Jersey Gladiators of the Arena League. Mara had also been vocal in support of the Eli Manning trade, among other personnel moves gone good. But the Giants' 50-50 co-owners, Steve and Jonathan Tisch, didn't want a member of their partners' family as GM, if only because they believed it would've made that GM bulletproof. Chris Mara was crushed. He'd rejected opportunities in other places, and could've landed the GM job in Atlanta, only to be bypassed inside his own family's business. "I've gotten over it," he said, "and I don't look back anymore at what could've been. I'm all in with Jerry Reese. We work together very well, and I think he respects my opinion as much as anyone in the room. "Jerry's been great. I try to get out of his way and let him do what he has to do to, but Jerry and I disagree over players all the time. He doesn't want me to tell him why he's right, but why he's wrong. It's very healthy. It's why we have a very good working relationship." In assuming the role of team player, Chris Mara said he is following the lead of his ego-free father, Wellington, an approach that Reese appreciates more than anyone knows. "Chris Mara has done nothing but treat me with respect," Reese wrote, "from the time I joined the Giants as a young scout until now. ... I really admire him for that because he owns the team and he really doesn't have to do that. But he's a true pro and only wants what's best for the Giants, period."

Chris Mara eyeing a different trophy - ( New Window )

Your not gonna see a whole lot of Yeah,get rid of him and his turtleneck collection with an 0-3 start.Because of the 2 Superbowls,In Reese We Trust,and all that stuff.

I know one thing,I'm not sure I trust this guy anymore with a high pick in the draft.If some overrated prospect starts to slip,he might start having visions,and not football ones.

Receivers? You bet. QB? Sure. Where else do the Giants have a lot of talent? Certainly not at RB, OL or TE. On the defensive side, I guess you could say DT is slightly above average. Until/unless JPP starts playing like the guy from two years ago, the DEs are nothing special. The LBs are a horror show. CB is fairly good, but is Prince one of the ten best at his position? Safeties are average at best.

So where's all the talent?

Reese isn't responsible for this poorly coached team. The team is talented as any they face. Yet every time they make the playoffs it takes a miraculous run at the end of the season. The Giants problem ain't talent. Its coaching

and they don't seem to know how to win their individual battles. So where do you go with that?

finding jobs for friends and family members.

Served them well in the 60's and 70's.

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...if we miss the playoffs 4 of the last 5 years, I'd love to hear the argument to keep him (as well as the entire coaching staff).

To think that we now have a franchise QB in his prime, just waiting to get killed (by not putting an emphasis on surrounding him with a top 5 OL)...is totally unacceptable in my opinion.

This weekend Eli will see a pass rush like nothing he's seen this year so far. If Eli suffers a potential career ending injury by somebody running over our OL with a clean hit...Reese doesn't get a pass.

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(8) Total neglect of the LB position.

This is factually inaccurate. Decisions made with regards to the LBer position have been poor, but it has not been neglected. To me, that is the biggest concern. The Giants have spent a lot of draft picks and FA dollars at the position and have nothing to show for it. More LBer picks than any other position under Reese. Plus trading a pick to get Rivers. FA signings every off season. Yet every year the LBers are terrible and the only draft picks used that have anything to show for it today are Williams and Rivers.

DeOssie was 4th round, Kehl was 4th round, Goff was 5th round, Dillard was 4th round, Greg Jones was 6th round, Williams was 7th round, Herzlich was a UDFA.

He is a good GM. He isn't that great "In Reese We Trust" GTM that BBI makes him out to be though. He is human and makes mistakes. He is a good GM so keep him.

Draft hasn't been stellar in terms of depth, but he's a great GM. He'll be here for the long run and we're lucky to have him.

but if he doesn't change his attitude towards the linebacker situation and do a better job of retooling the offensive he will start to feel the heat if he isn't already. He said it himself that the performance on the field last year was unacceptable. Well, his performance the past few years has not been totally acceptable either.

change in philosophy regarding evaluations of linebackers and tight ends.

if the GM and ownership broached the subject of jettisoning Perry Fewell but were rebuffed by TC...who is at times loyal to a fault. We'll probably never know the truth of that one.

JR has failed to address the atrocious linebacker play we've been enduring since the departure of AP. That has to change. We'll also probably never know if the scouts responsible for our multiple misses at the LB position the last five years have been held accountable.

The Nassib pick was a headscratcher for me as it is I'm sure for many fans. We had glaring holes at LB and interior OL to address. A QB in Round 4 is a luxury we couldn't afford. Philosophically it was a mistake.

That aside I think JR has done a very good job with this team since becoming GM.

and give the Job to John Mara. Reese and Ross should go. We need a new perspective on the draft, FA and the coaching staff. We have gotten stale and complacent. It is time for changes while ELI is still healthy.

but it's time to re-invent his approach.

PF appears a poor fit for our D personnel with his Tampa-2 related schemes. With an open revolt within sight, it's time to make a change.

Drafting has slipped with Ross in charge of scouting, and Reese's picks have slipped in terms of production and quality.

The UFA choices have been pricey, and with mixed results that eat up big chunks of cap space.

The question of complexity with the offense is one I wrestle with, but I'm damned tired of seeing it go entire games without doing much, while lighting up defenses at other times.