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znerolttam : 9/25/2013 2:11 pm
Hello and good afternoon all BBI posters! This thread is intended for optimism that they Giants do have their issues... but upon analyzation of the team we can find hope!

So our beleved Giants are off to a bad start. Not just bad, but [i]terrible[i]. Now as alarming as this is, We all need to realize that the sky is not falling yet... In fact if we can look at the Giants, not as a fan, but as a fan of the NFL, we could be improving very soon.

I will not so brilliantly or originally point out that the offensive line on this team sucked on Sunday. There's no way to avoid this fact, but we can control how we look at the offensive line.

A lot of posters here will simply make the statement "the o-line sucks," but why does the o-line suck? I believe that a combination of injuries, on top of the veteran status of a majority of our o-line, all on-top of the point that most of our starters are injured and David Bass hasn't even seen the field.

When you add the Carolina Panthers into the equation, as we saw last Sunday, with their impressive defensive line, you get 38-0. With zero protection, Eli couldn't do anything, there was no run blocking, and the defense played well until it became exhausted and began lacking morale somewhere in the 2nd quarter.

This is the case for all of the games this season, for the most part the defense comes out of the gate very strong (limiting arguably the best offense in the league vs Denver to only 10 points at the half. Then, in the second half, the offense could not get any scoring production because of the offensive line, and eventually folded like and NFL defense will.

Our defense is not a wash like many on this board would like to think. Yes, linebackers are a weakness right now, but when this team has Corey Webster, our secondary is above average and the defensive line (though it is not the pass-rushing threat of years past) is still solid against the run, helping our faulty linebacking corps. So in essence, our defense isnít great, but it isnít bad either. You can point at statistics that we have given up x amount of points in y quarters, but if you fail to see that it is a direct result of the offense. [i]The 2013 New York Giants are ranked 30th in the league in time of possession, only in front of Buffalo and Philadelphia. [i] So donít go so hard on our defense.

So basically, our hurt offensive line is the leading domino in our losses. There will be no relief this Sunday, as Kansas City is currently ranked #1 in sack percentage and sacks per game. So I fully expect Sunday to be just as rough as last weekÖ About 95% of me sees us losing to Kansas City by a lot.

This is where the optimism kicks in though! If our offensive line can get healthier by our home game vs the Eagles the next week, I can see us gathering momentum and going on to beat the Bears, Vikings, Eagles again, and Raiders. This part of the schedule makes it possible for us to build a 5-4 record, heading into a big prime time match up vs. the Packers. This is optimistic, but not totally unrealistic. Our division isn't exactly tearing up the NFL right now, so this only helps our odds down the road.
Things are bad when there is an almost daily optimism thread.  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 9/25/2013 2:23 pm : link
I agree with your assessment of the d. Baring injuries and a return to form from JPP the d could improve a lot. The d would look a lot better too if it was on the field less and not frequently starting close to their own endzone.

You may have meant Diehl. Baas has played and looked bad (although hurt).

Call me crazy but I think the oline can improve to a level of below-average (last week was way way way below-average) play and that will be enough for Eli and the WRs to carry the offense.

You know what? I think we're gong to see Wilson...  
okiegiant : 9/25/2013 2:26 pm : link
go for 100 yds this week and the defense actually get decent pressure.

Just a feeling and I may be(probably will be)wrong, but you never know.
if you don't play poorly,  
NoPeanutz : 9/25/2013 2:28 pm : link
it's much harder to improve. After a couple of big let downs, expect these proud veteran players and old coaches to study mistakes and respond.
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arcarsenal : 9/25/2013 2:29 pm : link
For me, it's simple. Win on Sunday and we're alive and our season lives to see another week or two (and hopefully more). Another loss and we're about 5'11" underground.

I'm honestly at a loss for what to expect from this team. I could see anything happening from a 2-3 score win, a close, hard fought win, a close, hard fought loss (which would probably suck the most) or just another absolute demolishing where we're never in the game.
I just want to see some good football  
jcn56 : 9/25/2013 2:37 pm : link
SB is out? No problem. No playoffs? Fine. Sucks, but fine.

But for a few fucking Sundays, I just want to see these dipshits actually play a halfway decent game of football. And I think they have it in them.
arc, I haven't known what to expect since the '11 Playoff run...  
okiegiant : 9/25/2013 2:39 pm : link
I have know idea which team is going to show on any given Sunday.
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arcarsenal : 9/25/2013 2:41 pm : link
I just don't want this fucking season to be over before October. It has been a full decade since we've had to deal with something like that. And it was a lot easier back then when we had no QB and we just knew the team sucked ass. It's a LOT harder to see a team like this completely just fail out of the gates without ever having any chance to be in the mix or even in the discussion for the playoffs later on.

If we ultimately don't make the playoffs, whatever.. I can handle it. But the prospect of watching Giant football games that almost don't even matter at all anymore before freakin' Halloween is just something I don't want to deal with. From the day last season ended, I couldn't wait to start this one and now it's almost over before it even began.

This team has to get it together on Sunday and find a way to win. I don't care how it happens.. just do it. It's Alex fucking Smith.
wE'RE GONNA  
Randy in CT : 9/25/2013 2:45 pm : link
git kilted.
Coming off of last year...  
Drewcon40 : 9/25/2013 3:02 pm : link
...I wondered whether that 2011 run was the last for this core group or are we set up for a few more years. After 2011, I used the analogy that I think we may have squeezed the last bit of toothpaste from the tube. By Thanksgiving 2012, I was swayed and thought this group had another run in them.

Now we are at 0-3.

The difficult part of this is that is was unforseen. "On paper", Jerry Reese's plan indicated that this is a "win now" team...but is it? Are we just throwing paint on a house that has a rotten infrastructure?

So I guess the positives I would try to look for is who is going to play through this adversity. Are they going to mail it in, or are they going to scratch and claw? I'll always remember a game the Giants played in Seattle where they were getting blown out and Antonio Pierce in the 2nd half was still giving 100 percent.

I am confident that the Giants will address the flaws. Another issue that might be making this difficult is talk radio and Jets fans reaction. The media dumped on them the entire off season and now with the Giants at 0-3, you get a lot of Jetrosexual fans, arms up in angst, saying what about them (Giants). The NFL network actually ran a headline "Giants now Jets of New York"

This is a positive thread so now let's see how the Giants handle this adversity. I love this team and never want to give up on them. Maybe this punch to the face wakes them the f up. If this season isn't to be, we (more importantly the front office) could start to see who is easy to cut and who earned the right to stay.
Giants vs Seahawks 2006 - ( New Window )
I blame alot on the new CBA  
pmmanning : 9/25/2013 3:16 pm : link
The team can't practice together as much and we have had a lot of our roster turn over. You want to work these young guys into the mix but there isn't enough time.
I would like to see the % of turnover a team like the Bengals had compared to us, I bet it isn't even close.
2-3 weeks from now we could be hitting our stride but I hope it isn't to late.
Giants beat KC  
JoefromPa : 9/25/2013 3:20 pm : link
1-3 Dallas loses at SD 2-2

The season begins anew the next week.

Impossible scenario? Not really
Joe Pa  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/25/2013 3:23 pm : link
from your lips to God's ears
As good as KC is playing I'd say  
nicky43 : 9/25/2013 3:35 pm : link
we should be expected to lose this game. That means we'll probably win it because this team has a history of losing the easy ones and winning the hard ones.

I think bringing this Fullback in is a good move to help the running and pass protection. We just need to get more from the line. If we can get that than we got this!
This team is....  
Ed A. : 9/25/2013 4:03 pm : link
just completely out of sync. I believe this can be turned around fairly quickly. I would not be surprised if they ended up 10-6.
Matt?  
Giantology : 9/25/2013 4:19 pm : link
Matt Lorenz? Is that you?
Optimism  
Josh in the City : 9/25/2013 4:21 pm : link
is earned, not given.
Can you elaborate on that Josh?  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 9/25/2013 4:51 pm : link
I would think optimism has no prerequisites.

What is a situation where fans have not earned the right to be hopeful for improvement?

And if you do need to earn it I would have thought by now it is earned considering what Tom and Eli have done here.
While our 0-3 record can be explained...  
awm34 : 9/25/2013 5:05 pm : link
Poised to come back vs the 'Boys with 2:00 remaining (despite 5 turnovers), badly outplayed by a very strong Denver team, stymied by a Carolina team knowing our offense...

It just may be that we begin to click.

Here endeth the reading of the lesson. Let us pray.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here...  
okiegiant : 9/25/2013 5:07 pm : link
and say if we have to "earn" optimism the world as a whole is screwed.

Sometimes you just have to hope things get better even when there is no evidence they will.

Maybe this is a little to philosophical for a simple football optimism thread, but still, I've never heard anyone say you have to earn hope.
One play at a time  
Jimmy Googs : 9/25/2013 5:20 pm : link
While we got killed 38-0 last week and saw many problems, the difference between winning and losing in the NFL is typically not much. Get a few small things going your way and the whole picture can change quickly.

O-line has got to man up and get some space for the RBs and Eli, Gilbride has got to call some plays that slow down the opposing pash rush, and the defense needs to get just a few key stops here and there.

Add in a broken tackle by Cruz for a big play and a fumble recovery by Rolle and we will have a well earned 24-20 victory against KC.
Maybe  
carousel : 9/25/2013 5:33 pm : link
If JPP continues to come back from injury slowly they can afford both JPP and Nicks.
Giantology  
znerolttam : 9/25/2013 7:14 pm : link
Yeah, who are you?
So, to be on this thread, you have to write something +?  
Doomster : 9/25/2013 7:56 pm : link
OK, I'm leaving...got nothing.....
Doomster  
Dylan fan : 9/25/2013 10:13 pm : link
Wow, that's a total shock. I went to the 2007 Vikes 41-17 drubbing in which Eli threw 3 pick-6s & 1 more INT. If the Giants could recover from that debacle to win the SB, anything is possible with the team. The Giants have been in 2 of 3 games well into the 2nd half. If they'd gotten completely blown out in all 3 I'd have a shitload less reason to be optimistic.
Today, a hot chick smiled in my direction  
Sarcastic Sam : 9/25/2013 10:16 pm : link
and I nearly shit myself.

Which is a big step up from the time an attractive lady smiled in my direction and I actually shit myself.

Things are looking up.
The defense was exhausted in the second quarter?  
ed90631 : 9/25/2013 11:38 pm : link
Paint me optomistic
I think we thought  
Doomster : 9/26/2013 8:50 am : link
the Giants were going in the right direction.....they canned high price players like Canty, Boley, Bradshaw.....but they should have kept going, but were throttled by the CAP....

We hoped once again, that Tuck would return to form.....we hoped Kiwi would make us forget Osi....we possibly forced JPP back too soon....we counted on a rookie who had a good game against scrubs and has not been seen since...

We counted on Brown, even though we know he is injury prone, and had no backup plan, when he went down, and then Wilson screwed up......

We counted on an often injured/average center in Baas....we counted on Diehl, even though his play had fallen off.....we counted on Snee, who like Baas, was getting injured and have his play fall off, also.....

We counted on too many guys to have good years, even though the signs were there, that they wouldn't....our draft picks have not produced the starters to take their places....

Now the injuries are piling up, and it won't be long before we are scouting the streets looking for bodies....
As I've said...  
bradshaw44 : 9/26/2013 12:13 pm : link
If our OL can be serviceable at the very least, we could rattle off 6 wins over the next stretch of games. Then we have GB. Although we tend to play them well.
Up front...  
Bryan : 9/26/2013 4:58 pm : link
...is where it has to start. The DLine has to pressure,the DEnds have to fight off blocks and create plays - we have healthy players,very good players,in these positions THEY HAVE TO MAKE PLAYS. The defensive woes will fade with their execution. The OLine is another story. Who is healthy and where are the younger people factoring in. Beatty had a BAD week. Baas looks to be out so Boothe slides into the center slot. The Giants are now speculating that Diehl will be ready and will play at LG. Snee hasn't practiced - Cordle,Brewer and McCants are taking many reps in practice in anticipation of Snees' absence. Diehl has been away from the practice field for weeks - why not insert Brewer at LG and if it doesn't work out go to Diehl. I am hoping Snee plays,but he needs to take plays off to stay fresh. With the injuries Cordle,Brewer or Pugh could provide that - get McCants some snaps at RT. I know that it's not a solid cohesive unit but we have to start looking to the future along the OLine if we want Eli to remain at QB for a few more years and allow David Wilson to become a feature NFL RB. We need the younger guys to play along that OLine - It's time. Our staff is too good for this team to fall flat on its' face for a full season - They WILL have answers,but I still feel that we need to address the OLine revamping now.
13 games  
bigblueinburgh : 9/26/2013 9:54 pm : link
left is enough for me to be optimistic about.
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