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BlueHurricane : 9/26/2013 8:07 am
Yesterday Pat and Jim Miller had Bob Wylie on and he was given the job of dissecting the Giants and the Steelers O-Line woes for the past few days. The segment was his report on his task. I heard 50% of the Giants discussion and it was lengthy and excellent. I missed the rest though because my damn cell rang.

If anyone knows of any way to listen to the show again I would appreciate it. I checked my Sirius web player and it is not available.

What he did say was that Beatty and Boothe are finesse players and did a terrible job with their technique last Sunday. He did say that what he saw out of those two was correctable stuff. He mentioned that he thought Pugh was their best lineman last weekend but that ain't saying much. There was much more in depth talk I would like to hear again. I missed all talk of the two guys I thought were the worst last week in Snee and Baas. Wylie thought Beatty was the worst performer Sunday.
if you have the internet streaming i think they offer  
Jints in Carolina : 9/26/2013 8:42 am : link
on demand programs.
just looked it up  
Giants11 : 9/26/2013 8:45 am : link
it seems like the NFL channel doesn't archive much on demand
Wylie  
ShockNRoll : 9/26/2013 9:04 am : link
also said that he doesn't feel Beatty can really hang 1 on 1 with the game's premier pass rushers. I found this interesting because i thought he did a good job on d. ware opening night. I thought Beatty was a lot better than he has shown since then though. Then again, it's hard since the whole line has really sucked and the tight end blocking has also been a serious area of concern, in addition to hyno being a shell of himself coming off his injury. I never thought I'd say this, but I can't wait until Diehl is ready to come back. Maybe he can be slid in at LG instead of Boothe?
That is a shame  
BlueHurricane : 9/26/2013 9:06 am : link
It was some very in depth conversation about the o-line unlike the shit you get from the talking head who check the scoreboard and stats and form their opinions.

I value Kirwan's opinion a lot and he was much more down on Beatty that Wylie was. He slammed Beatty as an undersized LT who will never perform against the bull rush.
Kirwin  
Lenny in Indy : 9/26/2013 9:12 am : link
has been a Beatty hater for a while and went out of his way over the summer and after the Panthers game to slam the contract and his ability.
When I had Sirius Pat was always critical of Beatty for the reasons  
Optimus-NY : 9/26/2013 9:27 am : link
stated above. His opinion made sense to me then, and still does now. We're stuck with him though.
How the front office could allow this to happen  
BlueHurricane : 9/26/2013 9:33 am : link
With a franchise QB in his prime is nuts. I know we were cap strapped but guys like Eric Winston were there for the taking and we didn't even bring them in for a look. We will be lucky if Eli survives the season.
just combining my post with this thread  
jlukes : 9/26/2013 10:05 am : link
jlukes : 9:40 am
Bob Wylie, former NFL offensive line coach, was a guest with Pat Kirwan yesterday and they broke down the Giants offensive line. Some notes:

- Pugh has been solid. When Kirwan saw him at the Senior Bowl he though Pugh would be a fantastic guard. Wylie said he has been great at RT. Always in the right positing and plays correct technique

- Boothe is a finesse player. No punch.

- Beatty is a finesse player. No punch. Has played with awful technique this season. He flips his left hip open and turns his body perpendicular to the line of scrimmage way too early. This takes away all of his leverage and it prevents an adequate pocket from being set up. It also allows the defender to either set the edge or get around the edge with ease.

- Baas's injuries have hurt with his mental preparation.

- Snee has been brutal. Constantly gives his defender a free run at the B gap (between him and Pugh). Huge reason why the offensive line is struggling.
Well- If we keep playing the way we are...  
drkenneth : 9/26/2013 10:06 am : link
We'll be in a position to draft a top OT.
A couple of other things Wylie had to say  
Racer : 9/26/2013 10:10 am : link
Pointed out that 10 of the 11 sacks he looked at were physical and technical breakdowns, not a failure of the protection scheme. He said it's not like Pat Flaherty forgot how to coach, but they're making mistakes like there isn't enough time in meetings or practice to go over basic stuff.

A specific praise of Pugh was "he gets where he needs to be when he needs to be there".

He said "You've got a first (rounder), 3 seconds and a 6. They should be playing better than this".

You cannot leave Beatty one-on-one with an elite pass rusher. (An opinion, sure, but 2 very well-informed ones).

When PK asked what they can do to address the issue, BW emphasized changing Eli's launch point with some slides, half rolls, etc, essentially saying if you're going to run every pass play so Eli's on the mid-line, the defensive front can really tee-off.

The only issue I have here is that I'd like for somebody to call MTC and ask PK how they only got to Eli 20 times last year if the LT is that much of a liability.
I'm so glad BBI knows so much more than Wylie  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/26/2013 10:17 am : link
And Kirwan.

And it's funny because Kirwan specifically addressed this. He wants all the kids he scouts to do well bu he try's to call it as he sees it.

There is no more idiotic term than "hater" it's become a catch all reply to try and diminish opinions that people don't like. God forbid a critique is given.

Beatty is a mid tier LOT. The Giants line is thin, older, and injury prone the last few years. Reese had to resign Beatty. Up against the cap they didn't have money to go after the few UFAs and they know what he can and can't do. On a solid line he's fine. On a shit line he's incapable of holding his own

No starting LOT getting paid what he's paid with his experience should ever look the way he did last week. If he continues that track the Giants are screwed. He's on the team for probably the 2014 and 15 years. Keys pray he bounces back but last year was his 1st full year. There's lots of the on him now. Teams will know how to play him. We will see.
New to BBI - How do they respond this week  
nh_giants : 9/26/2013 1:25 pm : link
I just joined Big Blue Interactive. Looks like a great site! This is my first comment.

I am very interested to see how this team responds to the shellacking they took last week. I think that will tell us a lot about this team. Even if they lose, if they are competitive for most of the game, but just get beat by a team that is currently better that them, it will give me hope.

Isn't it amazing that in week 4 we are all anxious for Diehl to come back? I think that says it all! I am anxious to see how this OL responds after last week, against a very good defense. It should tell us a lot about the OL. I am hoping they aren't REALLY as bad as they played last week. We'll soon see...
Interesting point  
lugnut : 9/26/2013 1:32 pm : link
He said "You've got a first (rounder), 3 seconds and a 6. They should be playing better than this".

Kinda throws cold water on the notion we don't value OL in the draft.

Choices in the draft  
nh_giants : 9/26/2013 1:42 pm : link
I think its not so much that Reese doesn't draft offensive linemen. The bigger problem is that so few have turned out to be good selections.

I think the Giants should figure out who is the best in the NFL at drafting OL and hire the scouts responsible away from those teams! Evidently that is a weak link the Giants draft room.
re  
Rob_MTL : 9/26/2013 2:16 pm : link
Beatty has a history of excellent play. On 2011 he was doing great until the freak eye injury. In 2012 he handled those premier pass rushers like the premier left tackle that he is.

He was strickly a passblocker early on in his career but he transformed himself into an excellent complete left tackle. The NY Giants are very lucky to have him.

Dont let 1 very bad game cloud your jugement.


I am a big fan of Kirwan's, and trust his opinion, which is why I am  
Tom in NY : 9/26/2013 9:12 pm : link
confused.

As Rob_Mtl points out above, Beatty, while certainly not a power player, generally played very well last year. Reese, whom I also trust, believes in Beatty so much that he gave him the big $$ extension.

Beatty was awful vs. Carolina, there is no debate (though I believe the holding call was ticky-tack and should not have been flagged).

So I am not sure why Kirwan is so negative about Beatty. If Pat Flaherty is good with him as the LT, and one would hope Reese asked his opinion before the big $$ contract, then I'l l have to assume the Giants know what they are doing here.
Have you seen the LB's this team currently employs?  
BlueHurricane : 9/26/2013 9:32 pm : link
Quote:
Choices in the draft
nh_giants : 1:42 pm : link
I think its not so much that Reese doesn't draft offensive linemen. The bigger problem is that so few have turned out to be good selections.

I think the Giants should figure out who is the best in the NFL at drafting OL and hire the scouts responsible away from those teams! Evidently that is a weak link the Giants draft room.
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