Thursday's News and Tweets from Practice - Fewell/Gilbride

Has to say about Chase's comments after last Sunday's game.

that says there will be a change or two in the starting offensive line.

knowing the reporters....they won't even ask him.
That would be the 1st question I would ask.

he will refute what Chase said and deny the Panthers knew what was coming.

Gilbride is the type of guy who believes he is smarter than everyone else which explains why his in game adjustments are so poor and why he also does not change calls or make adjustments when facing an opponent who has an ex-giant on that team.

To me, it is Gilbride's major failing as a OC...his arrogance.

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Waiting for the tweet Curtis in VA : 10:36 am : link that says there will be a change or two in the starting offensive line.

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Waiting for the tweet that says there will be a change at OC.

Looks a lot like "Farewell Gilbride" at first glance that's what I thought was the title of this thread

if the OL doesnt block anyone..

You said it best!! If Gilbride is OC next year, I won't be watching the Giants. I knew on the first damn drive, chase gave them some good info about the offense.

LIES!! You can't quit this team! =)

that the OC is the fault here? He has shortcomings as does every coach, but we should have been planning better for Diehl and Snee falling off their respective cliffs because with a solid line Wilson and the 3 Amigos at WR would thrive.

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He may not be the only issue. He is a veteran coach, if he needs me make big time adjustments to his scheme to compensate for what's going on then he needs to do it. The question is will he? It seems like the attitude is this is our offense, we will win or lose with it. Fuck, run something different to help generate momentum.

With Tim Carter and Mario, weren't we running reverses often? Do something different as a tendency breaker. Something has to change, let's see or hear what both coordinators have to say today.

and then Gilbride just might be HC.

If you're hoping to ease your frustration by looking for major changes you're going to disappointed(IMHO).

Unless of course he told the other Carolina defenders to rush the passer because the Giant O-line can't block. Then maybe we have something.

I'd bet my tax return Kevin Gilbride will never, ever be head coach of this team.

At least I really, really hope not.

and certainly as much of a possibility as him being fired.

As TTH said, at least I hope not.

have the same coaching staff in place. That is completely unacceptable to me as a fan.

of two title teams, the second of which was carried completely by the offense, doesn't get Gilbride a head coaching position, I'm thinking his window is slammed shut.

It happens.

Pretty sure I remember Antonio Pierce giving away secrets for the Giants against his former Redskins team back in 2005 when we shut them out, 36-0.

We can make this team bigger, stronger, younger�oops, no wait�that�s the new head coach description�especially the younger part!

And while picking on coaches, I think the linebacker coach should be upgraded.

I'm sure Ed Reed gave his new Houston teammates and coaches the same type of information about the Ravens. They still got blown out.

maybe thats because the Ravens were smart enough to change some things around, knowing Reed was going to give up some information?

football genius.

Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. But by the way the O-line laid down it didn't matter

in that scenario, you may be right.

I guess I just made it worse.

...when it was 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1...everybody in the civilized world knew what the next play was going to be,,,and nobody could stop it anyway.

Nuff said.

Patricia Traina ‏@Patricia_Traina 4m
Bass, Snee, not at practice. Also not working are Robinson, Williams, Thomas, Webster. Taylor and Paysinger look like they're a go.

Jacquian Williams is another guy who is hurt all of the time. Should dump him in offseason.

Robinson must have screwed something up (setback) when he came back to practice a week or two ago, because he hasn't been back since.

was a tweet yesterday that said Cordle was back at center...ughh.

Robinson and Williams.

Tell me about it. Hahahaha

the coming offseason, the Giants have to rid themselves of high-priced veterans who are underperforming, but they also have to dump these guys who just are hurt all of the time.

Beatty-Brewer-Boothe-Mosely-Pugh so much to ask?

Has plans to make Oline adjustments in this game. Because I would hate to see Eli back there getting killed 2 weeks in a row.

that's what BBI wants, but that group is so green it will get its ass kicked too. Just wait for the stunts and blitzes to confuse the hell out of them.

They may go with Cordle at center and he sucks.

There's very little you can do to hide a bad offensive line.

The Travis Beckum of Tight Ends.

seemed to hold up well enough on opening night. So really all you're asking is to replace Snee with Mosely.

If you want to tell me Mosely doesnt know what the hell he's doing out there, I wouldnt be able to argue that but physically he's got to be better than Snee at this point with, now, 2 bad hips.

Besides, we're 0-3, this IS panic mode time. You do whatever it takes to try to improve the line.

the constantly hurt players need to go. I may give Williams another year to see if he can right it as he at least has value in the sub packages on defense

but the constantly hurt guys need to go.

I don't know why they will play cordle. we KNOW he sucks. at least with boothe at C and mosley and brewer at guards or Diehl at a G, there is the potential for that group to improve. cordle is shit and you can debate if he should even be on the team

I share your fear... Eli is one of, if not the hardest working member of this team and he is in real danger of getting hurt behind this line. He can't keep taking this kind of punishment every week. If he gets hurt, NYG is REALLY done for this year.

If just for the sake of Eli's health. I'm cringing if the repeat of last weeks OL play vs Panthers shows up Sunday again.

I'm expecting some respectable improvement from them (fingers crossed).

I played O-Line my whole life and coached it. I ain't saying I am an expert by any stretch but I know and love the intricacies of O-line play and watching Cordle play in the pre-season was the absolute worst I have ever seen a center play football. He was physically whipped so many times its not funny. The guy should not even be on the roster never mind starting a game that could all but end the season.

The Chiefs may be a more physical, explosive front than Carolina. The idea of Cordle playing in this game alone terrifies me.

Dontari Poe may pick him apart like ribs.

Im looking forward to seeing this oline.
Beatty Mosley Boothe Brewer Pugh.

hey who knows maybe these guys are the next kickass oline.

to put a 4 man offensive line in front of him and have the defense come in hard. That will be the best way to simulate for Sunday by the looks of things.

be surprised if Coughlin plays Mosley and Brewer. It will be one or another at most. And even that isn't a given. He might try:

Beatty, Boothe, Cordle, Diehl, Pugh.

That would be a nightmare, but it would preserve his long term track record of never playing Brewer or Mosley, let alone both at the same time. Diehl was awful when healthy. Can you imagine how he'll play with a busted finger and no work for what, six weeks? He tries hard and is a warrior, but it's over. It's over for him, Snee, Baas, Boothe, and Cordle.

is Robinson's second year. It's looking like he won't be seeing much time this season, which means that next year, in his third year, he'll essentially be a rookie. We've seen that before.

I've been dreaming of a NY Giants oline minus Baas Snee DD since forever.

I can agree with that. However, we need people to fill those spots and I trust zero people as backups coming in. Hopefully, in the off season we can really address the OL position.

Eric,

I agree with your statements regarding useless vets and injury prone players.

but his handling of the O-line has already had a direct negative impact on 2 seasons. I'd hate to see this again.

At this point we know Baas, Snee and Diehl are all either hurt, ineffective or both.

Jim Cordle is terrible.

You insert Brewer and Mosely because they are both big, young, healthy bodies. Are they inexperienced? Sure. But these are the cards they have been dealt by not so great roster management. The season is on life support, the time to be conservative has come and gone.

to hide a bad Oline is have a mobile QB back there..look at Rodgers...their offensive line is awful or at least it has been in recent years and Rodgers continually bailed them out..

Doesnt matter how tough and brave a player is, the human body protects itself. It isnt about the pain, its self preservation.

Generally speaking backup are backups for a reason. But you know as well as i do that with this head coach, the veteran starter status trumps all.

for two reasons:

1.it gives the young guys like Mosely and Brewer an opportunity. Maybe one of them surprises and takes the job from Snee or Baas.

2. it gives Snee and Baas time to heal. Who knows whether they can ever heal enough to play well. But right now, neither one is an NFL caliber lineman. Snee is also a gamer who doesn't ask out.

I agree - At this point I am wondering if starting the younger, healthier (and less experienced) linemen might be better than the 'broken' Snee and Baas.

Sadly I do. Something has to change or else we may actually be picking top 5. With KC, Eagles, and bears on the horizon we have a shot at going 0-6! Problem is we like to invest in project developmental picks. We picked Petrus and Koets who didn't work out. Now we have back up guys who we are developing with the assumption the vets could still play. Now with age and injuries kicking in, we are in a spot where these guys have to play.

All this shit show going on in Eli's prime. So in essence, we can't run block for shit, and now we are having issues pass blocking. I feel bad for Eli now. Maybe our defense can win some games for us.

That is the worst part, any time wasted during Eli's prime years is too much.

Who knows when we get a franchise QB this good again... we should be squeezing every damn game out of him until he is gone... and between bad OLine play and (at least for some of us) the belief that a different O system would be better for Eli, we are wasting valuable seasons missing the playoffs.

I agree a lot of missed playoff appearances. We can't afford to have a rebuilding or re-tooling time frame of 2-3 years. We are going to have to hit a home run in the draft AND have an off signing free agency home run like Accorsi had. We need an offseason where we drafted Webster, Jacobs, and Tuck AND have a free agency period where we signed Burress, AP, and Kareem McKenzie.

That will help us right away. I am not sure if we can hit home runs like that, but we sure as hell need an off season like that to get us back up again.

were benched and disguised with "injuries". Too much of a coincidence that our worst o'linemen all of a sudden can't start because they are hurt but finished the game last week.

Im not ready to give up on the season. Theres no way the Giants are losing this game.

The chefs arent invincible, Alex fucking Smith is garbage.

as a fan i have quite a bit more patience if they play the young guys on the OL and they have problems.

What pisses me off is sticking with veterans that can't get it done and you have to dump soon anyway.

Let's not have the same problems next year AGAIN with unknowns all over the OL.

but scoring points means doing the things the Giants haven't done all year.

Smith is a terrible QB to play in a game when you're playing from behind.

But if the game is 21-6 KC, it's a different story. He's great at managing, playing steady, and never getting near a turnover.

True, but any given sunday. We are playing in a hostile stadium with exactly what OL? If Baas and Snee don't play then what does our OL look like?

Beatty-Boothe-Cordle-Mosley-Pugh?

That's fucking reassuring. If I am KC I will blitz the ever living shit of our OL. Cordle is a shit show of a center. Blitz A gap and hit Eli right in his grill. We can't run block worth a damn. So yeah, there is a way we lose this game.

Now will we? That's a different story. But we could easily loss this game. If the offense sucks, let's see how much fight the defense plays with before they mentally check out.

Then I think it will be Brewer at RG. That's where he has spent most of his practice time. When he played at LG he said it was the first time he'd practiced/played there. I'd rather see Boothe at C and Mosley/Brewer at LG/RG.

And I will be stunned if we cross the 5 or 6 win barrier this year. We are 0-3 and getting worse, with little OL depth and a neutered DL. This is going to get much much uglier.

of a team that has an Upper Tier, franchise QB (I won't use the term "Elite') in his prime, is less than 2 years removed from a SB win and can't crack the 5 win mark?

I honestly cannot think of one. And if that happens this year, it is a real indictment of the entire organization. What a waste.

Agreed. I think we get fucking smoked on Sunday. 5 wins or less is a possibility. Shit-storm is a comin'

we may very well be on our way to 0-6. When you have zero offensive line you cannot do much of anything.

The Giants should have won vs cows.
It was a 1 point game going into the 4thq Vs denver. It was a close game.

This offense has been playing with short deck all year. Coughlin has no choice to play brewer and mosley now.

Lets see how they do.

Put off surgery on his hip a month to play in the Pro Bowl, what kind of message does this send to the other players.

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It's his other hip.

Let them come with the a gap blitz. Eli will go hot and cruz will take it to house.

While undefeated the Chiefs are clearly beatable. Besides, our guys seem to play fairly well against Alex Smith in the recent past.

I realize that, but if you need surgery you do it, the team comes first. Hopefully a bonus wasn't in place.

However it must be pointed out that Eli is not exactly the most mobile of QB.s In fact he not very quick or agile when facing a rush. And he seems to lack feel or finesse when doing short stuff, screens, pitchouts, flairs and even short slants.Hey I like Eli, glad he's our QB. So don't jump all over me. Just pointing out where he's vulnerable.

here who were very confident we were going to beat Denver, LOL.

then Eli needs to work harder on developing his game with the short stuff. I am not saying he turns into Joe Montana overnight, but in my view he has actually regressed in this area over the years.

we can't defend the A gap from journeyman DL, they don't need to blitz to kill us. We are fucking toast, mark it down.

Jacquain Williams is hurt often but thing is, he shouldn't be expected to be a pivotal player for this team. They're banking on him covering TE's and backs, but if he's hurt, they have no one like him. And he might be the most talented LB, it's a sad, sad group.

They need to dump, like Eric said, many overpriced vets and guys who aren't healthy enough or fit with the system. For instance on defense, we may see the following guys gone after the year (based on age, contract, or ability):

Justin Tuck, Mathias Kiwanuka, Linval Joseph, Shaun Rogers, Mike Patterson, Mark Herzlich, Spencer Paysinger, Jacquain Williams, Dan Connor, Keith Rivers, Corey Webster, Aaron Ross, Terrell Thomas, Antrell Rolle, Stevie Brown, and Ryan Mundy.

Good grief.

That leaves the 'safe' ones: Damontre Moore, Jason Pierre Paul, Cullen Jenkins, Jonathan Hankins, Prince Amukamara, Jayron Hosley, Cooper Taylor

I hope that happens but with the way shit is going he goes hot, Cruz reads something else and that could be a pick 6. Let's see how this plays out. My guess is Circle gets lifted and duck walked right into Eli .

Linval joseph, jacquian williams, ryan mundy, patterson and Stevie Brown will be safe for next year. no one else though.

changes his draft priorities, this season will be in vain in terms of a draft slot.

No more DB's in the first round, they simply aren't worth it in this league anymore. Draft OL and DL.

Oh and AT least 1 Linebacker NOT from the Big10, so he has a chance at being fast.

I pretty much entirely disagree with that.

They added a loser coach and loser qb. Fuck the chiefs!

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