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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/27/2013 10:20 am
Friday, September 27

11:20 a.m.-12:55 p.m. Practice

After Practice Tom Coughlin available

1:05-1:50 p.m. Player Interviews
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Cordle at C against this front might be worse than last week  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/27/2013 1:18 pm : link
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/27/2013 1:19 pm : link
it's a shitshow anyway you slice it.

I don't like Cordle at all so I'd go with your proposal.
well you want Mosley....  
BillKo : 9/27/2013 1:19 pm : link
you guys might get him.

I'm fearful of his inexperience, yet Cordle scares me at center for obvious reasons......

gut check time, fellas....
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/27/2013 1:19 pm : link
are probably going to have to make a roster move before Sunday to bring someone off the PS.
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/27/2013 1:20 pm : link

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And if you're into music, Giants weight room isn't blasting the normal Rocky soundtrack on this Friday. Flo Rida blasting instead.
here's a more important question...  
BillKo : 9/27/2013 1:21 pm : link
who the hell are the backups with DD, Snee, and Bass all out.......can you go in with one backup?
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/27/2013 1:21 pm : link
go into KC with only 6 offensive linemen active.
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/27/2013 1:21 pm : link
like I said, have to bring someone off PS.
BillKo : 9/27/2013 1:23 pm : link
I really hope the gameplan is changed to have Eli get rid of the ball quickly.

Try running it......and don't give up on it. Quick throws...pick your spots for deeper patterns.

Giants need to be smart about this offensively on Sunday.
I look at it like this....  
chrispisano66 : 9/27/2013 1:24 pm : link
What we are giving up in cohesion and experience we are making up with size, youth, athleticism and most importantly health.

I think there is at least potential with Brewer and Mosely out there.
At this point....  
dep026 : 9/27/2013 1:24 pm : link
I wouldnt be surprised if Donnell was the backup LT. Can he be any worse...haha
Randy in CT : 9/27/2013 1:25 pm : link
my crappity.
Shot gun and spread them out  
nygiants16 : 9/27/2013 1:26 pm : link
use a lot of 3 wr sets...with Manning in the shot gun and running a little more fast paced offense...get that defensive line tired and running around chasing after quicker guys..

Get wilson on the edge and throw quick outs to Nicks and Randle to get them in the open field...

Make KC's LBs chase Cruz around in the middle of the field..
Hell, I find it hard to get worse than we were in the past games  
GiantsBRFan : 9/27/2013 1:31 pm : link
Even with all this losses.
full injury report  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/27/2013 1:34 pm : link
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Wow, this is a hell of a line up going in to Sunday...  
okiegiant : 9/27/2013 1:35 pm : link
Sit back and enjoy the show it's going to be interesting if nothing else.
Randy in CT : 9/27/2013 1:43 pm : link
yes, yes it will.
Randy in CT : 9/27/2013 1:44 pm : link
you left out "while the Chiefs' defenders decapitate Eli in the meantime"?
id guess goodin gets  
CGiants07 : 9/27/2013 1:49 pm : link
added off practice squad who gets cut id say cox for a couple days
Randy if they are qucik 3 step drop  
nygiants16 : 9/27/2013 1:53 pm : link
passes how is eli getting killed? it actually helps Eli not get killed if he is in teh shot gun and getting the ball out takes their defensive line out of the game
Guys, Manning might get hit coming out of the huddle...  
okiegiant : 9/27/2013 1:55 pm : link
he's going to take the snap and be running for his life.

Having said this, as in every Giants game I've ever watched, I fully expect them to play well and win.

I honestly believe the line surprises us(in a good way)and Wilson has a solid game.

Let's hope,  
Randy in CT : 9/27/2013 2:02 pm : link
The decision about giving Diehl a shirt will be interesting.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/27/2013 2:06 pm : link
Usually, the Giants treat medical clearance as binary: If a player is cleared, he plays. If not, he's inactive. There's normally no such thing as, "He'll only play in an emergency." So I think Eric is right: somebody will be moving up from the practice squad.
AcidTest : 9/27/2013 2:09 pm : link
going to be bad.

Why would anyone play Boothe at guard? He can't pull anymore, if he ever could, and center hides that weakness. But that would require Coughlin to play Brewer and Mosley at the same time, which he apparently won't do. The only other option would be to play Cordle at one of the guard positions.

Whatever the lineup, play Donnell, not Myers. We need a TE who can block to compensate for the OL more than a receiving TE.

What's really bad is that most of our passes are designed to go downfield. My understanding is that the Giants have been at or near the top of the league the last few years in passes completed and attempted over twenty yards. Our horrendous OL makes that impossible, and therefore neuters one of our most effective offensive weapons.

Wow. This really sucks.
when was the last time a player listed  
WeatherMan : 9/27/2013 2:09 pm : link
as doubtful by the Giants was active? That has been exceedingly rare under TC. Diehl isn't playing Sunday IMO.
I would not let Eli play until I was sure that the line could protect  
Marty in Albany : 9/27/2013 2:12 pm : link
AcidTest : 9/27/2013 2:12 pm : link
you bring someone up from the PS, then someone has to go on IR. Who would we bring up? Goodin? Who goes on IR? Snee? And can we even afford to bring someone up from the PS given how little cap room we have?

It's a shit show.
arcarsenal : 9/27/2013 2:14 pm : link
It's almost getting to the point where I'm not even concerned with the result of the game, I'm worried about Eli walking off the field on his own 2 feet.
I almost bet  
GMANinDC : 9/27/2013 2:25 pm : link
like jcn56 said, the Giants will somehow win the game..
Must go no huddle and  
chops : 9/27/2013 2:57 pm : link
shot gun.
Shorten the game  
PEEJ : 9/27/2013 3:02 pm : link
stay with the run, play field position, hope that the relatively healthy defense can keep the game close.

hope for a miracle
Diehl is doubtful, but  
section125 : 9/27/2013 3:06 pm : link
he will be the 7th OL. He might be last man off the bench. They are not bringing a PS player in.

Have to feel Cordle will be at center because he is ahead of Mosley I would have to think.

I would prefer to roll the dice with Boothe at center but I doubt TC will.
AcidTest thats not true  
Rob_MTL : 9/27/2013 3:07 pm : link
Booth is an excellent LG. Hes flexible, mobile and pulls successfully by staying low and putting a hat on a moving target.

Curtis in VA : 9/27/2013 3:20 pm : link
Boothe is a journeyman.

Archer : 9/27/2013 3:31 pm : link
Boy is the Giants line bad when Boothe is your second best lineman.
We could get destroyed or  
gmen4ever : 9/27/2013 3:44 pm : link
this could be a big upset win for the Gmen. 3-0 against a struggling, old, injured, inefficient, shitty 0-3 team with no heart!. Yup, on it!
Got to play the game...  
Jimmy Googs : 9/27/2013 3:52 pm : link
Giant coaches knew what they were getting into with this O-line during the summer. And if they didnt think Snee and Baas were going to be injured at some point based on their history (and off-season surgeries) than shame on them.

Rest of the team has to pick them up. Eli is goign to take his lumps and I am sure Wilson will have a few tacklers in his face, but there are many ways to win in the NFL.

Find them Coughlin/Gilbride/Fewell.
No Curtis that is not true.  
Rob_MTL : 9/27/2013 4:00 pm : link
Boothe has been with the Giants for 7 years.

Unless you tape the games and watch each play a dozen time (in slow a motion), its impossible to get a fair appraisal.
Rob_MTL: You say Boothe is an excellent left guard.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/27/2013 4:44 pm : link
His contract and 32 NFL GMs say otherwise.
BTW, the journeyman label isn't about moving from team to team.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/27/2013 4:47 pm : link
It just means he's good enough to provide a solid day's work for a day's pay (like the guild members of yore), but that's about it.
No matter what you  
Semipro Lineman : 9/27/2013 4:49 pm : link
think about his current level of play, you got to admire Deilh dedication and toughness
Semipro Lineman : 9/27/2013 4:50 pm : link
considering the fact that Myers caught 79 passes last year at TE and got a similar contract as Booth, I think you're using the wrong set of data to prove your point.
Semipro Lineman: Myers got a $1.5MM signing bonus.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/27/2013 5:14 pm : link
Boothe's total guaranteed money was $65K on a qualifying deal.

Yes, when you peel away the voidable BS, Myers's contract is effectively a one-year deal at the veteran-minimum salary. That's where the similarity to Boothe ends.

I could also point out that Myers looks like a journeyman too, but that's beside the point. He will make well over $2MM this year. Boothe will make less than $1MM. If Boothe were an excellent left guard, I think somebody would have outbid the Giants' rock-bottom offer.
Big Blue Blogger  
Rob_MTL : 9/27/2013 6:03 pm : link
Thats not true, as March 12 there were over 30 guards available in free agency. Only a handful of guards signed multimillion dollars deals. Add to it failed tackles that get converted to guard and plus 150+ guards from the 2013 draft. There was a large supply. Some good players fall through the cracks.

Offensive Guards

Andy Levitre (Signed six-year, $46.8M deal with TEN)
Louis Vasquez (Signed four-year, $23.5M deal with DEN)
Donald Thomas (Signed four-year, $14M deal with IND)
Lance Louis (Signed n there was the one-year, $1,603,750 deal with MIA)
Willie Colon (Signed one-year, $1.2M deal with NYJ)
Eben Britton (Signed one-year, $715K deal with CHI)
Jake Scott (Signed one-year, $840K deal with DET)
Ramon Foster (Signed three-year, $5.8M deal with PIT)
Kevin Boothe (Signed one-year, $905K deal with NYG)
Geoff Schwartz (Signed one-year deal with KC)
Matt Slauson (Signed one-year, $815K deal with CHI)
Stephen Peterman (Signed one-year, $905K deal with NYJ)
Travelle Wharton
Leroy Harris (Signed one-year deal with DET)
Tyronne Green (Signed one-year deal with NE)
Geoff Hangartner
Chad Rinehart (Signed one-year, $1.75M deal with SD)
Garrett Reynolds (Signed two-year, $2.5M deal with ATL)
Mike Pollak (Signed one-year, $780K deal with CIN)
Deuce Lutui
Kory Lichtensteiger (Signed fivAdd to it a 2013 drafte-year, $17.5M deal with WSH)
Antoine Caldwell (Signed one-year deal with BUF)
Adam Snyder (Signed two-year, $2.45M deal with SF)
Chilo Rachal (Signed one-year, $715K deal with ARZ)
Nate Garner (Signed three-year, $4.875M deal with MIA)
Chris Spencer (Signed one-year, $1.005M deal with TEN)
Rex Hadnot
Vince Manuwai
Rob Turner (Signed one-year, $1.5M deal with TEN)
Chris Williams (Signed one-year, $2.75M deal with STL)
Leonard Davis
Rokevious Watkins (Signed undisclosed deal with KC)
Bobbie Williams
Seth Olsen (Signed one-year, $650K deal with MIN)
Jeremy Bridges

I'm not saying you are in this category. But most people don't know anything about the oline. They watch the game at home while getting shitfaced, and/or while they're playing with their kids, or while they're doing laundry.

In 2010 Boothe filled in a guard very nicely. 2011 Boothe was our best lineman. In 2012 Boothe played once again at a very high level. If you watched the tape you would know this.

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nygirlie : 9/28/2013 9:27 am : link
You are right unless all his bad plays were removed from the tape. He always knew his assignment, always hit his man, sustained running blocks pretty well, pulled well, protected very well.

I wish we had five of him.
Rob/Girlie: Guilty as charged - I don't watch a lot of o-line tape.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/28/2013 10:54 am : link
Unfortunately, nobody will pay me for it. So I leave that glamorous work to the professionals in 32 NFL video rooms. It just seems implausible to me, no matter how ample the supply, that an "excellent", versatile, 30-year-old left guard would have to settle for a qualifying contract.

What's your definition of "excellent"? To me it means, very roughly, top ten among the 30-40 starting-calibre players at his position, with the first few being truly elite. The next five or so are very good, then good, and after that you're into mediocrity. Is Boothe among the ten best starting left guards in the league? Is he in the top 15?

The conclusion your list suggests - and I think it's true - is that there was only one truly excellent LG in the UFA market this winter: Andy Levitre. He got $10.5MM up front, a guaranteed $2.5 salary in 2013, and a structure that assures him of making another $6.5MM in 2014 because he's so expensive to cut. Whether Levitre is elite was a controversial topic in the off-season. Even if he is, can an elite LG be worth eight-to-ten times as much as an excellent one?

And what happened to a pretty good left guard who had to sell himself in this buyer's market? Take Ramon Foster: he'll make $2MM this year, based on a $900K bonus and a $1.1MM salary. That's more than twice what Boothe will earn.

I'm not saying contracts tell all, but they do tell a lot - especially when a group of players were free agents at the same time. To me, the most telling sign that Boothe is JaG is the way the Giants have handled him over the years. They've consistently shown more interest in keeping him on the bench as the sixth man than keeping him in the lineup (or, at contract time, on the team at all).

By the way, most of the guys on your list weren't really competing with Boothe for left guard jobs. Most are either primarily RGs, or centers and tackles who can play guard.
After watching The Book of Manning this week  
pganut : 9/28/2013 11:02 am : link
Sunday may be the day that Eli has to find and channel his inner Archie.
Rob: The most telling comp on your list might be Chad Rinehart.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/28/2013 11:17 am : link
Oft-injured and with a history of off-field problems, he couldn't stick on an OL-starved Washington team, and he was barely a starter on a terrible Buffalo line, except when Levitre was briefly benched or had to fill in at tackle. He's now the Chargers' LG (and hurt again), making about 30% more on a one-year deal than Kevin Boothe.

It's possible that Boothe flew completely under the radar, but I don't see how. The Giants are among the most scrutinized teams in the NFL, and Boothe was a starter in SB XLVI. That's not a recipe for obscurity.
Boothe has been a decent player here, but he is not  
Curtis in VA : 9/28/2013 11:28 am : link
to the standard that the word "Excellent" implies.

Excellent is Chris Snee in his prime. Mike Iupati and Alex Boone. Marshall Yanda. Logan Mankins.

All those guys are, or were excellent Guards. Powerful blockers that not only handle their assignments, but obliterate defensive linemen and linebackers. The list is goes on and Boothe is not on it.

Think Richie Seubert in 2008 when he was playing like a man possessed. Watch tape of the things he did against Carolina. He was a machine. He was excellent.

Boothe is a nice player, that gets the job done. But he is not excellent.
Boothe has pretty much been the definition of "solid", IMO.  
arcarsenal : 9/28/2013 11:31 am : link
I'm always pretty comfortable with him in there and think he usually does well. Not a pro bowl player, not an elite talent or anything.. just a good player who gets the job done more often than not.
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