Have we already seen the best of JPP?

and is getting stood up. I don't think he has good leverage right now on bullrushes (because of his back perhaps) and he really has no speed for an outside move. To me thats whats happening with him. Until he develops other moves, gets his burst back and gets some help along the line, yeah, I think we've probably seen the best of him.

Here is my thread where I got lambasted by BBI for suggesting his social media accounts concerned me a little.

Bright side: He is still so young he can mature and turn it around.
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of plays. In 2011, he was a relentless pursuer from the off-side, often getting in on tackles 10-15 yards downfield. We didn't see it in 2012 and we aren't seeing it in 2013 either.

I am on board 100% with people who say the early success got to his head. I don't discount the back issues for a minute, but this has to be a legitimate issue in its own right.

I think you're piecing it together.

He's rehabbing now, back surgery was only about 16 weeks ago.
If you've never been injured or undergone surgery before, you probably won't understand the impact.

He is still a young dude who needs to mature, and adapt a consistent professional attitude and approach to preparation, rather than leave it to his raw gifts. The league will catch up to him if he doesn't grow his skillset.

Let his back heal up, and I suspect you'll see the fire return.

Gronk had the same surgery 2 weeks after JPP. He is not back yet and may not be until week 6. just saying...

And was never the same player afterward. I forgot who the player was, but I think he's falling into the Javon Kearse category. A player who had a lot of athletic potential, but injuries derailed his career.

Bad back is only more incentive. When healthy he's a pretty solid force against the run, but he is a shell of his 2010/11 quickness. Maybe the coaches want him at a higher weight? This season is a wash. Let's see if he comes in lean and mean next year, if only for the sake of ca$hing in on a new deal.

that's some interesting stuff. thanks for bringing this up, makes you think a little bit. he does look like hes in absolutely shitty shape, I may take a snap shot on nfl rewind later. it just looks bad

better yesterday. However, it looks like stamina is the biggest problem. He is not relentless. Too often he just stands in front of the OL and dances with him. It looks like a tired player.

Yesterday he made some plays especially when they moved him over RT. The effort seemed better to me but still not where it was.

That's the beginning of the end. JPP has no long, sustained history of playing football in his life. Who knows if he has the ability to keep going.

question is what value do you place on him at the end of this season? Somebody is going to pay him a lot of money. If his season continues this way, do you invest in him or cut ties? I'm not sure. We really have to see how the rest of the season plays out.

Investing a lot of money into a player after 2 poor seasons following a dynamic year when you are in re-build mode may be tough to justify. I don't know what will happen with him, but he has been majorly disappointing so far. Getting dominted 1 on 1 game in and game out. I have seen a good play here and there, but not even flashes of his 2011 season.

He was very good. Qb pressure and elite vs the run. THe sack numbers just weren't there but he was excellent last year.

effort and passion from JPP so far this year. If you watch him play you will see that on numerous occasions he just stands up and mirrors the OL and then puts his hands up to try and deflect a pass. He is getting almost no push at all on many occasions and demonstrates very little in pass rush technique beyond a strait bull rush. The strength and speed he demonstrated in 2011 seems to be gone, yet he says repeatedly he is healthy and feels fine. If that's the case then he was just the typical "flash in the pan" and his best footbal is already over. Hate to give up on him but until he starts showing some passion and enthusiasm for the game again and learns to play the position with better discipline and applies different pass rush techniques I'm afraid this is what we're going to get. Perhaps the money and recognition went to his head and he still sees himself as the 2011 version of JPP that used to terrorize offensive linemen and QBs, but anyone watching his play knows differently.

If I were the Dline coach, I'd review every snap JPP took to make notes using as many camera angles as I could.

Then you have a 1 on 1 with Mr.Pierre-Paul. GO over each play. See where JPP is doing something right and wrong. Work on his strengths. Coach him on his weaknesses. Have a freegin weekly meeting and see how he can improve.

Is this a strange idea?

is horsechit in this case. He's only 24. You just don't lose football skills at that age. What else could it be?

Drugs?
Alcohol?
Injury: known or unknown to him?
Stressed out/personal life?
Burnt out on football?
Failure to properly condition/workout?
Poor nutrition or lack of vitamins/minerals?

There isn't much more. Could be one or more of the above. The defensive staff had better do whatever it takes to find out right away or kiss a potential star player bye-bye.

is something fans have no business even trying to critique. How do you decipher pain from looking like you don't care?

So I won't bother doing that. What I will say is what's i've been preaching for months. JPP should have been PUP'd. How he wasn't is still absolutely mind boggling to me. This "minor" surgery isn't minor at all. Even freak athletes can be set back for a long time when the back is involved. Going from surgery, to no camp, to no real reps, to full game speed is probably the single biggest complaint i've had with this organization since 2007. Someone should be held accountable, IMO, for letting JPP play.

We may very well see him get shut down for the season, and it may not be due to our record.

the Redskins did the exact same thing to a guy on their team named Bob.

I hope it is an injury that can be cured by rest/slow comeback.

have to do with back surgery?

Bob was rushed too and he looks like shit, barely able to throw off his back leg.

JPP should have been PUP'd.

He had back surgery a sbort time ago. Maybe there are issues with drive and motivation. But tbe fact that he is recovering from significant back surgery can't be overlooked. He was likely limited in any physical activity for the first 8 weeks after his surgery. What your seeing is an out of shape guy with very limited practice reps.

Of course he is going to say he feels fine. When is the last time a player said anything different?

Julius Peppers is going to the Hall of Fame.

Defensive Players don't have Top 5 DPOY finish after Top 5 DPOY finish, the best of them will have a couple over their career. JPP has one already. He could easily have another one or three over his career IF the back holds up.

after that back surgery. Terrible shame.

Back injuries are career enders. JPP probably will never be the same player that saw two years ago. That being said, being overweight and not seemingly giving a full effort does not help his performance. Both he and Nicks look to be going through the motions out there. Unfortunate because they WERE two of the top three players on the team.

does just that...

One thing is certain, this ass obviously can't spell his own relative, "pony," correctly even if he were spotted the p,o,n & y.

I love how people can tell if a player isn't giving full effort from the comfort of his couch a few 100 miles away. Could it be he's winded because he's not well-conditioned & in game shape a few weeks after back surgery? Nah, couldn't be. Better to just assume out of your ass that he just doesn't give a shit & has no desire to get a much better paying contract if he actually gave a damn.

In the Icewater tub he threw Prince in. He's been shit ever since.