Prince Amukamara After The Dwayne Bowe Salsa...

McCluster did the Salsa dance after his punt return for TD.

and evaluating exactly who we want here next year and who we don't.

On the same token, Hakeem Nicks is writing his ticket out of town.

but based on what I've read and seen of Prince I imagined the conversation was something like:

"sir, I find your celebratory behavior in that end zone to be disrespectful to my teammate, I would appreciate if you can refrain from such mocking behavior if you happen to reach the end zone in the future"

Getting in someone's face while they celebrate a TD is the least impressive thing Prince has done in an otherwise impressive 4 games.

(Webster) I had a nice laugh.

I'm a big fan of Nicks and sort of agree... His effort on that incompletion pissed me off.

seeing that too..Prince is da man..

and as you saw yesterday, his three drops of catchable balls, you can't just turn it on and off.

hahaha.

field. That and a few O-lineman, linebackers, safeties, etc...

So why give Bowe a hard time?

He's generally acknowledged as our best defensive player.

best corner since Mark Collins.

The reason why he gave him shit was because he was clearly making fun of Cruz when he did the dance. Prince was sticking up for his teammate, which I love.

Prince was often labeled "injury prone" and "soft" by people around here. Him getting dumped in the cold tub didn't help shed the soft label either. I think we can throw all of those labels out of the window now though.

You want to dance around while the team is 0-3,you can take a little bit of that

Holy shit. It's a freaking little dance. When he does it in someone else's house, and they wind up killing the Giants, it's totally reasonable for them to give some back.

What's Prince going to say? 'Hey, that's Victor's dance!!! How dare you do that!!!"

Be impressed by his play, sure. But a fake tough guy act over...dancing? Some of you set a really low bar.

are the best players on this team. They are part of the solution going forward.

expect to be mocked when things don't go well. Same as that stupid basketball celebration a few years back.

You are completely missing the point here.

The Giants D has been the whipping boy for the team for some time now, but it's apparent that there has been a shift there in attitude and performance - particularly out of the secondary.

Its shame that there's no reciprocation from the offense, who has put the D in a bad spot every single week this season. Other than David Wilson, its hard to argue that any of those guys are playing with any pride or intensity.

“Don’t get too excited Bowe… You couldn’t score while I was covering you”

things like sticking up for your teammates, and sticking up for your coach (like the Tuck thread) actually do mean something.

There is something to be said for personal and team pride when it comes to figuring out who will be the good character people in your lockerroom long term.

There is merit in it.

I'm sure other teams didn't like Cruz's salsa dancing over the years, and so the Chiefs threw it back in the Giants' faces. Live by the salsa, die by the salsa.

and they're riding the wave.

I don't really care what they do.

With this offense, we couldn't score to overcome a 10 point deficit.

A year ago, Prince was a bust nursing an ankle injury.

He was soft, had issues with his teammates ("different"), and even some latent homophobia thrown in for good measure...you know, the usual BBI stuff thinks when a player isn't instantly a Pro Bowler.

is gay?

They are happy that Prince, a defensive player, stuck up for Cruz, an offensive player.

It's a team pride thing. It's not in the least about Bowe in any way.

maybe he should call Strahan..isn't he gay?

I know that was the consensus before the season, but I thought he won a lot of people over with his play last year. Maybe I just assume everyone sees what I see, I don't know.

He isn't (I think he is engaged) - but there was some speculation here because of some scouting reports that characterized him as different, and people were taking that as code.

He seems rather quiet and soft-spoken.

It's not complicated. You think Prince standing up for Cruz's cute little dance is a big deal.

I think it's yet another misdirected waste of energy from players who have much bigger, more important things to concentrate on. It's yet another empty gesture from a team that postures and talks more than it performs. It impresses me as much as Rolle talking big on the radio. Ohhhhhh, fiery! What a leader!

You don't like people dancing? Stop them before they get into the endzone. Once they've scored on you, jog back to the sidelines and figure out what you could have done better.

KC had reason to dance yesterday. The Giants didn't. That's the point. The rest of this is silly bullshit.

I think consensus has definitely shifted, but it goes to show that BBI isn't forward thinking - if you suck now, you are going to suck forever...

I was just kidding.

Prince has been the best player on the defense all year.

And overall (per PFF) he's the 4th best CB in the entire NFL behind Revis, Grimes, and Leon Hall.

That's not where the team needs to be finding their pride.

Yeah, we're 0-4. But nobody makes fun of our dancing!

Please.

are those recent PFF numbers? I'd love to see them. I'm a fan of their stats.

I just said I liked that he did it.

Sorry, continue freakout session in all facets.

was just clarifying. And I am not all that surprised by that comment - Prince has been very, very good.

and poses,you dont hit him the next at bat because you should never have given up the home run. Got it

as of this morning (so not all the 4pm or night game in yet, but I doubt it changes too much)...

Here is paste of the positional rankings....

The thread started over this meaningless little nothing of an event is the 'freaking out' over nothing. I'm just offering a reasoned opinion as to why it's not an event worth singling out. You offered further defense of the OP that I don't buy. And I responded to that, as we do.

Perhaps those actually freaking out are the ones realizing that the glass is not even half full? And trying to convince themselves these little meaningless things are reasons to feel positive?

you can take a stand if you feel disrespected

Thanks PJ.

do not need to be beat down on every thread.

It's not neccessary.

they got him cheaper than they should have because he was a top 10 pick that slid, double down and lock him up

in their house? And maybe they felt like demonstrating their total dominance by the end of the game? We own you and your dance.

Again, only one team had reason to dance last yesterday. You guys are bothered by/impressed with some weird shit.

I care about football. You can have the dancing.

to Andre Caldwell on Prince (36 yard reception) skews his numbers a little and it was dumb. I didn't think in a million years they'd throw it there, and I think 9 times out of 10 Prince covers that.

have it, sincerely, thank you

I'm on this one.

You can be in any mood you want, man. And continue to see whatever positives you want. But I'm also going to continue to say what I think about what I see. I'm sorry for both of us that my less sunshiny perspective appears to be a more accurate assessment of the team. You want to counter my arguments here, fine. Do it. But just saying 'Hey, let's talk about the positives of our 0-4 team not matter how small or how insignificant.' Nah. I don't have to adopt your eyes any more than you have to adopt mine.

It's absolutely happening on every thread.

I'm not looking at many threads today because I don't expect to see much good. The OP here strikes me as particularly ridiculous for reasons I explained.

But, in general, expecting people to feel positive today strikes me as more than a little unrealistic.

The staff? The GM? The players?

They are evaluating. Constantly evaluating. They are watching and evaluating EVERYTHING.

Because they are going to have to make a lot of decisions at the end of this season on who stays, and who goes.

In a football lockerroom, what Prince did goes a long way. Guys notice it, and so do coaches.

Enough is enough.

And yes, I didnt care for it when they were winning ball games and the Super Bowl.

Is it harmless? Yes.

Is it also corny and overdone? Yes.

I fail to see your reasons on why this is ridiculous when we are talking about a player sticking up for a teammate and showing pride given the situation at that moment.

Vibe...have you ever played organized sports???

I completely agree with you.

The Cruz dance is always silly, but it is especially so when the team is sitting at 0-3.

As for Prince sticking up for him...I guess that's great. Didn't affect the scoreboard.

Why isn't Prince concentrating on making the Oline better instead of wasting his time on something that doesn't matter!

From way back in the early days of discussing Manning and his lack of screaming I have always felt a lot of BBI'ers could use a good, serious, course in leadership.

but dropping him in the ice tub last year.

They were trying to make him angry. Trying to make him fight.

Some of you look at football in a vacume, rather than a game played by living, breathing, emotional human beings.

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I hope to hell not a lot of weight is given to how they waste their energy after they've been scored on again.

Guys arguing that this is an example of Giants pride take pride in some truly odd shit. It's beyond a reach.

Made this game feel like a win to me.

2-2 if you count Wilson being upset in Dallas.

the mentality or dynamic of a football lockerroom.

You could easily trace the ice tub incident last year to that moment yesterday, as that's what the ice tub's intended purpose was, to toughen him up. To make him meaner. To show more fight.

I'm not saying I understand the mentality of a professional football lockerroom, but after coaching in high school as well as growing up with a head high school football coach and being around the lockerrom for many years, you see stuff like this all the time.

And coaches and players notice stuff like that.

You either get it, or you don't. Not much more to say than that.

and a couple of Peyton's TDs, plus Prince yelling at Bowe for dancing and it's like we're 3-1.

Add in the Breaking Bad finale being so good and, really, we're 4-0.

and like what Tuck said, I will continue to watch.

You know it's over when they are indifferent, ala Joe Horn and the cell phone in 2003. Guys just shrugging their shoulders and walking off the field.

But whatever, it is what it is.

The only reason it's even worth mentioning is because Prince has been labeled as somewhat of a push-over in past seasons. So, I guess it's good that he's showing some fire out there.

Ah, the small victories of an awful season.

These guys aren't robots. They ride a huge wave of confidence and emotion each game (aside from Eli). Prince's actions didn't affect the outcome of the game obviously but it's a marker of where he is in his own little arc. I thought it a positive as well.

Watching Eli I go the sense if this shit keeps up his confidence will get hurt. It's got to be painful getting hit around behind a bad OL. What's worse is you're trying to make a play for your team and the the WR and you aren't on the same page. You step up in the pocket to throw a deep pass, expecting the WR to be streaking, and all you see if a long fly ball deep to center field with a red uniformed player watching to make the grab.

Just watching him shake his head I felt for him. That's got to hurt the confidence. Can't even make a play or have a chance to make it because there are no blue uniformed players even in the fucking tv frame. Just a sea of KC players waiting for the int.

How's all Rolle or Tuck's endless big talk translated into wins? Empty gestures are empty. They don't take on magical significance in a football locker room. You know how I know that? 0-4, 31-7. You're acting like Prince's little moment of acting out because he was frustrated his efforts had gone in vain again are some sort of building block that will propel the Giants upward. That is wrong. Your continued optimism in the face of numerous realities doesn't count as special insight. It's just homerism. Which is cool and all. But stop acting like it's some deeper understanding. It's just not. Anyone who thinks the Giants felt any better as a result of that little moment sounds like the one who has never been in a locker room.

You know what's impressing Prince's teammates? That he's playing well while most of them are not. And that's what they'll be talking about in film sessions. Not his bad sportsmanship and thin skinned behavior in the face of another team's celebration.

and Jim summed it up quite well.

It has no affect on the field, I agree. But that's where the disconnect is.

You're not understanding that I'm not saying what he's doing is propelling the team in any way, or going to motivate the team.

But the coaches notice. The players notice. He's also backing it up with his play in the field.

That's leadership, whether you see it or not, and it's a positive.

showed some Giants pride; at least HE has not quit.Gotta love it.
Prince's sexuality is mocked because he has chosen to remain a virgin.
And, 'not for nutin' but, given the chart, having the #6 guy(Joe Haden), and the #4 guy, in Giants blue, would be great.

Not sure why it rubs some of you the wrong way that a player would show a little pride and leadership, but whatever.

I'm done talking about this at this point, as I'd just be talking in circles. My viewpoint on this subject in it's entriety can be read above at this point.

That's a disconnect on this board, in general. Rolle talks big on the radio and people call him a leader!!! {i] Yeah, he's mad!! He's not going to take it anymore!!!!"

Jacobs throws his helmet into the stands and people say that shows how much cares. How fiery he his. "Loud words!!!! Wild gesticulation!!"

I get it. It's drama. It looks exciting. It gets fans fired up. Drama! Look at the displays of emotion! It's meaningful!!!

The show of emotion that impressed me yesterday was Paysinger when he stuffed Charles and nearly ripped the ball from his hands. Because he was emotional about making a fucking play. Or Herzlich after tipping the pass. Those emotional outbursts actually had something to do with the game.

They make false promises. Mostly in the media, then do not back it up on the field.

Prince did not go after Bowe in the media. If he had, I'd have a problem with it.

Prince has been doing nothing but being our best CB. You never hear anything from him in the media.

I don't think you understand the distinction, otherwise you woudn't be comparing him to Rolle or Tuck.

over-weighing actions like this reek of "tom brady has that look in his eye" rhetoric.

that being said, it's not a negative, and with the particular player involved having a "reputation" (at least among many here on BBI, LOL) of being soft, I can see people wandering through a desert of negativity desperate for a drink considering this a positive event in the morass of crap we've seen through 4 weeks.

getting beaten down today. Uneccessary.

Does it take the sting off for some of you? I sure hope so, otherwise, what purpose does it serve?

I agree with you and with Vibe. LOL.

because we like that our CB showed a little fight yesterday.

Yay. Go Giants.

I guess it is backing up your teammate,but I'd say it's at the bottom of the barrel.

wasted a lot of energy barking at the QB before the ball was snapped,someone should of told him to shut up and play and do his talking to his coke dealer

Squaring his shoulders, keeping his man in front him. You know, playing his position well.

Look at me with all my crazy talk about plays actually relevant to the outcome of the game, as opposed to some chirping a guy did after we went down by 4 touchdowns. How can I not see that for the meaningful, important moment it was? Because that's definitely the kind of thing the Giants were talking about in the locker room after the game?

But it's me who is looking at things in a confused way?

Hey, if this is making your own emotions easier to deal with...

IMO.

You had to come on here and talk down to people that liked it?

For what purpose exactly. My emotions are just fine. I feel like one of the few rational people on the board today, to be honest.

and not think of the halcyon days of Lawrence Taylor? I mean, the parallels between '13 and '86 are so obvious.

to unreasonable level. As you are the one fighting for the significance of the small, meaningless moment. And I'm just saying it was a small, meaningless moment.

Plus didn't you say you were going to leave this alone, like, 4 posts ago? Isn't that kind of the definition of can't-let-it-go?

There are any number of threads in which people are expressing optimism. And for reasons more logical than this. And yet you keep coming back here. That's on me, too?

I would urge you to do the same.

Thanks.

Very good corner. Definitely a building block in the defensive backfield.

Although I imagine it will continue to be missed on an 0-4 BBI.

is a gigantic vortex of ignorance, stupidity, horror, confusion and just the right amount of funny. It's like a show on Broadway.

...by voicing his displeasure over the usage of a specific dance.






Yeah, that's something alright.

if you have a canned celebratory act, don't be surprised if you see it when things don't go well

Liked Prince's play yesterday - that was impressive.

if someone went after their TE after his cut blocks.

Rookie hazing is the reason why Prince is playing so well. We should be dunking every draft pick in an ice bath. Their family too.

Hazing = wins. Except when it doesnt.


Congrats to vibe. Solid work on this thread.

Would you rather or rather not have seen Prince do what he did? I can't imagine. Anyone saying rather not and so it has to be seen as a positive, no matter how small.

Don't care if it doesn't make an impact on the game, I still like that he decided to defend Cruz. I don't get why everything has to be performance related for someone to like something. No one is claiming that Prince getting in Bowes face is better than winning the game or preventing the TD in the first place.

Do people actually see it as that?

Seemed like he was complaining about copying a stupid dance.

That Cruz does. Hence, the defending of Cruz.

Holy shit...

Victor was on the sidelines.

He was objecting to someone doing Victor's little dance.

He was objecting to winners having fun winning.

On their home field.

Because that is legitimately objectionable?

Because Giants pride isn't about winning. It's about individual's TD celebrations. Which are, of course, sacred.

We get it. The Giants lost. No one is arguing that Prince getting in Bowes face was changing the game. It's just good to see some anger/emotion and a guy not looking lifeless when we're down several TDs. Not once in the OP did he say that it changed the game in any way, shape, or form...you just feel the need to state it 20 times on this thread that it doesn't.

You dont want players that are "ok" with losing... players that will han their heads and just walk off.

Nobody wants a dirty player, but players should be pissed and act a little "uncivil", for a lack of a better word.

I dont often agree with Carl Banks, but after the Carolina loss, he was very open critisizing the team, said something like he's surprised nobody from the Giants picked a fight with a Panthers player... to him, as an ex-player, the players "didnt care", hence all the "players quit" stuff attributed to him.

So yeah, Prince getting in Bowe's face is a good thing in my book.

12 more weeks of insanity to go!

I wish our TEs knew how to cutblock.

who didn't do shit all day until garbage time vs. a 5th string corner.

I didn't think it had anything to do with Cruz...but I don't know, maybe Prince said otherwise?

Are part of Football fun its a game remember ..
Kudos to Prince for sticking up for the Team ......
Remember Homer Jones a Giants great kinda started all this .
Emlen Tunnell also did a flip of the football I think ..
Anyways when we were hammering teams and Cruz was doing
the damage your gonna tell me you had a problem with it
go fuck yourselves...

I guess that gif is telling us that Prince isn't trying as much or fighting for his teammates...

He just quit.

:(

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Or are you going to continue on proving the point that no one on this thread has made and say that Prince getting in someones face won't change the outcome of a game?

That's right. Nobody said it had anything to do with outcome of the game.

I said it meant nothing. Thats what the gif. proves.

get that fucking shit outta here...


fucking attention whore

points.

Poster #1 : Hey, I know it didn't make a difference in the outcome, but I like how Prince got in Bowes face after doing the salsa. Not to mention he's been a good player for us this year.

Vibe : YEAH BUT IT DIDN'T HELP US WIN THE GAME.

Poster #1 : Uhm...no argument here. I just thought it was cool to see some fire out of him, you know?

Vibe : YEAH BUT I LIKE WINS OVER PROTECTING DANCES.

Poster #1 : As do I, but unfortunately we as fans didn't get to choose whether we could get a win out of this game or watch Prince get in someones face for doing the salsa.

Few days later

Vibe : HEY LOOK AT THIS GIF OF PRINCE NOT GETTING IN THE WRs FACE AFTER HE DOES THE SALSA AND WE STILL LOSE.



In conclusion, thanks for school us that that whether Prince gets in the face of a WR after he scores a TD...we still lose. Mind blowing stuff over here at BBI 2.0.

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I'm sure entire districts have given it their best shot and I'm not going to do better than they did.

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kind of weird to bring up a week old post just to score gotcha chris r : 11:50 pm : link points.

This dickbag lives for gotcha points....

But should I expect from a grown man that still plays video games?

I'm gonna pass out before this argument comes to fruition.

Sure. Because no one's ever brought up a week old argument on here before. A week is like two thousands years on BBI. Generations have come and gone. People move on. They let things die. Especially when they have pictures of the exact, same circumstance that beautifully illustrate their original point.

I feel like you, of all people, should have a better handle on what actually constitutes a weird argument on here.

vibe's gif was funny.

And in the context of BBI, vibe bringing it up again isn't 'weird'. Not on a board where we have posters saving others' pictures, GiantFilthy, etc.

Fuck the Mets.

Don't make me go to the video again.

It just showed Prince not doing anything when someone mocked the salsa dance again. This whole thread you were just talking about how you enjoy wins more than defending dances. It's not like we won this game because Prince was too busy defending his guy to defend the salsa dance.

And the gif is funny. My Eagles friend showed me it after the game.

pride! And that Prince 'defending Cruz' (?) was a meaningful gesture that would the Giants FO would remember. Because it showed fire and shit.

In short, you still have no idea what this thread was about. And yet you can't stop posting on it.

Which just goes to what a waste schooling is when people refuse to learn.

He liked the fire out of Prince in that instance, not to mention he's been one of the few bright spots for us this year. Just because you decided to run with that claiming that you like wins more tells me that you don't understand what this thread was about.

Also, it's fantastic how you bring up that I can't stop commenting on the thread when you're probably hitting double digit comments on this thread and decided to revive it from the dead a good 5 days later.

You still don't understand.

Gotta run a few errands. I'll check this thread out later to see if you've proven a point yet. Still waiting for what the gif means.

Last week seems so long ago.