David Wilson over Cordy Glenn looms large right now

except there would be no one to run the ball..

and ONE person doesnt fix an OL.. get Wilson an OL..

few people have in fact brought it up on other threads. Hindsight is 20/20, but a lot of people here did question using a first round pick on a RB, even #32. That was especially true since the line was already clearly aging.

Wilson is explosive, had a great college career, and has done some very good things for us already. It also isn't his fault the OL sucks.

I guess it depends on your philosophy. Mine is that with certain obvious exceptions, the most important positions are QB, OL, DL, and CB. I still think the game is won and lost in the trenches.

Or David Wilson running behind whoever we draft or sign next year at LG?

Gimme David Wilson any day.

dude is a mauler for the Ravens.

blunder. I think they panicked after they saw Martin go off the board and reached for Wilson.

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or he's useless.

He's got no vision, can't hit a hole or make a cut that counts.

It's almost like he's new to the game of football

he would have made some nice runs

Meyers is Brutal

If Wilson wasn't drafted, we would have signed another RB to be running behind Beatty - Glenn - Boothe - Brewer - Pugh right now. Why? Because there is no way we would allow Darel Scott to be the primary back to begin with.

I'll take that in a heartbeat.

with our OL prototype is that we won SBs with OLs that were less talented and more cohesive, smart etc. --that Snee, Ohara, Diehl etc dynamic is rare and we assumed that we could replace that with similarly "intangible type players" who are low picks + Baas (who has been a disaster) and therefore not acquire the physical specimen type linemen that many other teams seem to have

completely open as well as the inside left gap and he ran into his own player...

His vision is on par with Stevie Wonder.. and I am puling for him to succeed...

a decent OL.

Way too early for this.

David Wilson is a phenomenal talent! He's going to be a superduperstar!

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your schtick is fucking annoying.

up the last 2 weeks. Give him more experience (reps) and don't worry about him fumbling (it will happen to the best of RB's) and let him become a faster Tiki Barber.

Glenn would boost both the run and pass game right now.

He would certainly help in giving Eli a cleaner pocket up the middle due to his size/strength.

Still hasn't happened yet, with either of the Hokie clowns.

Supposedly, David Wilson was not the highest rated guy on their board at the time. It was an OL, and if I had to guess, that highest rated OL prospect was Cordy Glenn. So if they in fact followed their BPA, hindsight would not be of need right now.

I like Osemele a lot too, but in the 2nd round. Randle was 2nd on my list of 2nd round prospects.

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Cmon now. DW is a damn good KR but, and it pains me to say this, he's a disaster at RB. No vision, little wiggle, struggles to block. I want the guy to be a player, but I have my fingers crossed everytime he carries the ball. I'll probably get lambasted for this post, but so be it.

I watched this guy literally dance in a hole yesterday not knowing which way to turn, his indecisiveness caused him to get tackled in that very same hole.

It's a HOLE! Hit it!

Guy can't slide from side to side either. Puts his head down too much.

he needs to watch Adrian Peterson

Anybody see his TD run yesterday? He galloped through the defense, leaned and he was gone....a thing of beauty.

He doesn't go down easy, he's broken a bunch of tackles.. but the line he's running behind right now is a complete fucking joke. This is the worst offensive line the Giants have put on the football field in a decade.

based on someone's school. It's fucking annoying as shit.

He's made some bad cuts. But writing him off now is... stupid.

Wilson's instincts and ability to hit the hole quickly are terrible.

Giant's worst line since 2003, right? Tiki Barber, 2003: 1216 yards, 4.4 YPC.


Moral of the story: don't EVER mention David fucking Wilson in the same sentence as Tiki Barber again.

for this line 2 years ago when it was in horrific shape??..

Silatulu, Osemele, Schwartz. Plus LBs David, Wagner and Brown.

Wrong? Hell no.

RBs aren't worth a first round pick unless they're can't miss, like Peterson.

bet Wilson was the highest rated guy on their board. The Giants always say they go BPA and follow their board, especially in the first few rounds. Pugh is an example of that. Many were surprised he was taken, but Reese and Ross both said he was the highest guy on their board. They also traded up for Nassib because he was by far the highest rated player on their board in the fourth round.

Glenn was 1b, is what I was told 30 sec before they drafted DW.

If we can put Connor in there at FB (he is a beast) and get a couple of our guys to block better, Wilson will be terrific. He is a great talent.

In a tweet that an OL was the highest rated guy, but not by much. JonC, I'm sure David Wilson was 1a for them, but I don't think that was strictly from a BPA perspective.

When David Wilson gets the hand off and is hit before he even gets to his fault. Thats totally his fault.

Its also Wilson's fault when other RB's get hit behind the line as soon as they get the hand off too.

This guy sucks.

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We probably wouldnt have won 2 supwr bowls the way we did. If cordy glenn is drafted is changes the face of the draft and some teams. Always a reaction once an action takes place. You can't say pugh wouls be there thisthere. its like when someone says if we hit that fg in the first half qe wouldn't have lost 13-10....

Yes or no.

it is pretty offensive that the Giants had the audacity to draft two players from a college 500 miles from New York that's part of a one-sided rivalry that hasn't been relevant in 15 years. They knew what they were getting into and should've been prepared for the inevitable backlash.

Are both getting the ball and looking not to get killed before taking the next step. Wilson has run 12 yards to get two yards that's it's just damn unbelievable. As for Scott he keeps being used as a trick play that just seems to trick us and no one else. Go with the one back, three WR's and motion TE out of the backfield since it's no secret if we have a FB in we will run the ball.

But they were far better at run blocking than this line is.

On a national level, it's never been relevent!

of course Reese would go with the playmaker. I'm sure Reese did the old Parcell's thing, "is this guy going to win me games or win me a championship" Its hard to make an argument that a Guard is going to win you a superbowl.

David Wilson is no Tiki Barber. At least not yet.

to open up holes.

I think it had something to do with his weight issues or something. Or motivation and work ethic

something like that was reported by MG, which is why they passed on him

But that doesn't mean the Wilson pick was a bad one. Maybe they could have signed a Guard in FA if they weren't tied to all the big contracts that guys like Snee, Rolle, and Baas have. Or, you know, there are other rounds in the draft and other picks to play the hindsight is 20/20 game with.

Reese has a pretty good track record with first round picks and thus far, including last season, Wilson has done more to prove he'll be a good player than to prove he won't.

How about we give the guy his 3 year window before we toss him off the team.

at Greg.

I think Wilson will be gone in the next two years with Tom's successor realizes how useless he is.

do remember those concerns about Glenn. At that point, I would have traded down and gone after Osemele instead of taking Wilson, but that again is just my bias for OL and DL.

didn't think that Snee would be useless at this point of his career. The guy was a great player and there's no reason to believe his performance would plummet to these depths at age 31. That was a big blow. He also expected Baas to be better - that's his signing, so it's fine to put the blame on him there.

But if we have a good RG and a competent C right now, this team looks a lot different.

Sure, if we'd hit on some interior line picks, we'd be better right now. But there are a finite amount of resources at his disposal. From a long-term planning perspective, C and RG appeared to be covered. In reality, not only are they not covered, they're absolute disasters.

problem really isn't taking Wilson at pick #32 over Glenn or Osemele, anymore than it is using a fourth and a sixth on Nassib. The problem is how many other picks have been missed, especially in the upper part of the draft, as well as the disastrous Baas signing.

My understanding is that Ross has a large say in picks after the first round. That needs to change. His track record with us and the Eagles suggests that he isn't getting the job done.

averaging 4 yards a carry this year behind an offensive line who couldn't block a high school d-line. Wilson is not the problem. He and cruz were the only players on offensive worth a damn yesterday.

breaks a ton of tackles....this nonsense that he needs big spaces is BS.

the breakdown on whether Wilson is a good runner or not, whether he's indecisive in hitting the holes, isn't that a reflection on the RB coach?? I'm losing confidence in Ingram as a coach. While we're at it how much F%&KING longer do we have to put up with Da'rel Scott in our backfield! That guy has got to go, we kept him over Torrain. At least torrain knew how to hold onto the ball, some of our worst turnovers in the backfield have been committed by Scott.

I sure as hell would expect that a guy on the team for 7 years would be a helluva lot better behind even a shitty line than a 2nd year player who hardly even played RB his rookie season. Not exactly comparing apples with apples there. Meanwhile, it took Tiki 4 years to have more than the 511 yds. rushing he had in his rookie season. I'm sure 95% of present-day BBIers would've wanted Tiki shot in the back of the head as a wasted pick by his 2nd season.

They could have taken Eifert or Ogletree in 2013.

I know, Mike G is the one who told me. Work ethic is indeed what tipped the scales to DW and away from Glenn in the terms I posted. Glenn was the BPA though.

And not only that.. but we're comparing them at points in their careers where Wilson has barely 100 carries and Barber had well over 1,000.

Makes sense.

Also... the 2003 line was bad but the interior wasn't the worst in the world. This line is worse right now. 2003 was just the last time we had a line that was even in this territory of suck.

And if we want to talk about YPC.. Wilson averaged 5 last year. But I guess to that, the detractors will say that since it was only 71 carries, it shouldn't count.

Thanks for the nugget. I had a feeling BPA didn't play a part, but I thought they were going more for upside or what they saw as a bigger need. Didn't know it was work ethic related.

CBS Sports.com: Negatives - "Susceptible to speed rushes which likely will force him back inside or to right tackle. Can be a bit inconsistent with his recognition on combination blocks. Typically gets an initial punch in on the defensive tackle before switching off to take on the blitzing linebacker, but can be fooled and miss his assignment. Can get a bit lazy with his hand placement, making him vulnerable to swim moves. Run blocking: Excellent size and strength as a drive blocker. Can get fundamentally lazy, at times, playing too high and/or being a beat late off the snap. As such, he can miss with his initial punch and fail to push back his target. More often, he shows good hand placement and the leg drive to clear a hole."

ProFootballWeekly: Negatives - "Struggles to unlock his hips (even more glaring in Combine drills) and adjust to quicker blockers who can get underneath his pads (see Boise State). Tends to play tall and does not use the power and explosion in his body. Lacks lower-body strength. Will coast on his natural talent and play down to the level of competition. Has a soft temperament and does not play with a lot of urgency or breathe fire. Is a naïve follower and lacks great work habits — not a self-starter. Weight has tended to fluctuate and balloon (though he was asked to bulk up as a senior)." (http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/cordy-glenn-71/)
Cordy Glenn draft analysis - ( New Window )

Are discussed?

my pick was doug martin, because i read that he was more "pro ready" then wilson and i thought martin would give us the best chance to win the super bowl last year (i know foolish thought)...once martin was gone, my pick was glenn with lamar miller in round 2....but wilson gave me a lot of reason to think he was a good pick last year, i just wish we had given him more playing time after that fumble early on, and let him learn....i would not give up on him yet....i still lament the 2009 draft, when we had 9 picks...and we picked clint sintim over C Max Unger (all pro last year) and G Andy Levitre (high quality player).(i won't mention LeSean McCoy)...of course we made up for that by moving up in round 3 to take ramses barden and then taking Travis Beckum in round 4...it was a weak draft, but we really did a horrible job.....i also picked Maurice Pouncey the year we took JPP, so maybe i look foolish too..or maybe not time will tell...

Wilson is gonna be fine the ball security issue set him
back but he is a tough runner fearless and speed you
can't teach ....
Lets stop with the AP comparisons he is a once in a
lifetime running back get real ...
Jim Brown couldn't run behind this mess .
Its been a few years now They can't drive block at all
sick of throwing that damn ball down field all
game long . This line is useless in short yardage .

because Adam Koets hurt his knee and ended his career. Koets was a very nice example of drafting an OL late (he was a college LT), finding a new position for him (OC), and maturing him into a starting caliber player.

But his knee ended the project (and Koets' career) after a 5 year investment by the Giants.

Shit happens.

Reese should've seen the Koets injury coming from as far away as Jupiter. Actually, he should foresee EVERY injury coming from that distance. Reese's biggest fault is that he idiotically dropped & broke the crystal ball he was given as a child & his powers of prognostication have just never been the same since.

He's another guy who been a walking ICU since joining the Giants. Must be something they're feeding them b/c I don't think he had as much as a paper cut or missed a down with the 49ers.

would be riding the pine or inactive this year

Glenn was not BPA. That's just wrong. He was not "1b", either.

Pugh this year by taking Glenn last year so it really is a tough argument to even make on the OP's part.

for many years now.

when they made the Pugh tackle pick I was worried about 'who dat?' but...always hoping for the JPP thing, a lesser known pick.

but then...JPP..maybe its been a bit too easy for him so far in life. Do these guys work out in summer?

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Guards

Year No. Round Pick Player Name Team College
2013 1 1 7 7 Jonathan Cooper Cardinals North Carolina
2 1 10 10 Chance Warmack Titans Alabama
3 1 20 20 Kyle Long Bears Oregon
4 3 3 65 Larry Warford Lions Kentucky
5 3 10 72 Brian Winters Jets Kent State
6 3 24 86 Hugh Thornton Colts Illinois
7 4 11 108 Edmund Kugbila Panthers Valdosta State
8 4 16 113 Barrett Jones Rams Alabama
9 4 19 116 Earl Watford Cardinals James Madison
10 6 10 178 William Campbell Jets Michigan
11 6 28 196 Jeff Baca Vikings UCLA
12 7 8 214 Travis Bond Vikings North Carolina
13 7 14 220 Ryan Seymour Seahawks Vanderbilt
14 7 19 225 Eric Herman Giants Ohio
2012 1 1 24 24 David DeCastro Steelers Stanford
2 1 27 27 Kevin Zeitler Bengals Wisconsin
3 3 8 71 Josh Leribeus Redskins Southern Methodist
4 3 13 76 Brandon Brooks Texans Miami (OH)
5 3 32 95 Tony Bergstrom Raiders Utah
6 4 3 98 Gino Gradkowski Ravens Delaware
7 4 22 117 Joe Looney 49ers Wake Forest
8 5 6 141 Adam Gettis Redskins Iowa
9 5 14 149 Johnnie Troutman Chargers Penn State
10 5 25 160 Ryan Miller Browns Colorado
11 6 8 178 Mark Asper Bills Oregon
12 6 9 179 Andrew Tiller Saints Syracuse
13 6 30 200 Brandon Washington Eagles Miami (FL)
14 6 33 203 Robert T. Griffin Jets Baylor
2011 1 1 15 15 Mike Pouncey Dolphins Florida
2 1 23 23 Danny Watkins Eagles Baylor
3 3 11 75 John Moffitt Seahawks Wisconsin
4 3 12 76 William Rackley Jaguars Lehigh
5 4 4 101 Clint Boling Bengals Georgia
6 4 13 110 David Arking Cowboys Missouri State
7 5 30 161 Julian Vandervele Eagles Iowa
8 5 32 163 Daniel Kilgore 49ers Appalachian State
9 6 3 168 Demarcus Love Vikings Arkansas
10 6 14 179 Caleb Schlauderaff Packers Utah
11 6 31 196 Keith Williams Steelers Nebraska
12 6 36 201 Stephen Schilling Chargers Michigan
13 7 7 210 Andrew Jackson Falcons Fresno State
14 7 14 217 Maurice Hurt Redskins Florida
15 7 36 239 Michael Person 49ers Montana State
2010 1 1 17 17 Mike Iupati 49ers Idaho
2 2 13 45 Zane Beadles Broncos Utah
3 2 29 61 Vladimir Ducasse Jets Massachusetts
4 3 4 68 Jon Asamoah Chiefs Illinois
5 3 9 73 John Jerry Dolphins Mississippi
6 3 28 92 Shawn Lauvao Browns Arizona State
7 3 34 98 Mike Johnson Falcons Alabama
8 4 19 117 Joseph Hawley Falcons UNLV
9 4 31 129 Jacques McClendon Colts Tennessee
10 5 16 147 Mitch Petrus Giants Arkansas
11 5 20 151 Chris Scott Steelers Tennessee
12 5 30 161 Chris DeGeare Vikings Wake Forest
13 5 38 169 Marshall Newhouse Packers Texas Christian
14 6 18 187 Shelley Smith Texans Colorado State
15 7 21 228 Reginald Stephens Bengals Iowa State
16 7 22 229 Erik Cook Redskins New Mexico
2009 1 2 19 51 Andy Levitre Bills Oregon State
2 3 14 78 Louis Vasquez Chargers Texas Tech
3 4 23 123 Rich Ohrnberger Patriots Penn State
4 4 32 132 Seth Olsen Broncos Iowa
5 6 20 193 Matt Slauson Jets Nebraska
6 7 4 213 Paul Fanaika Eagles Arizona State
7 7 30 239 Ryan Durand Titans Syracuse
8 7 37 246 Lance Louis Bears San Diego State
9 7 45 254 Trevor Canfield Cardinals Cincinnati
2008 1 1 15 15 Branden Albert Chiefs Virginia

less bust risk than some other positions

We can discuss offline if you like, I can't post anymore than I have, would be interested to hear what you heard.

Wilson is in his second year.

Having a discussion on whether or not he was a good pick, or more worthy than any other is just ridiculous right now. He isn't done developing yet.

Every season impatient fans want to cast off draft picks that aren't immediate contributors.

The Giants have a pretty good record when it comes to first rounders over the past 6 or 7 years. There's no reason to assume Wilson cannot continue that trend.

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you make footballs with that?

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I worry a bit about Wilson's vision. Why he cut back inside on that kick return us beyond me. I was pretty shocked by that cut that lost him at least ten extra yards.

of having no confidence in the line.

Bradshaw had that habit too.

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Koets, a starter? bahahahaha Greg from LI : 10/1/2013 9:24 am : link

Koets was signed to an extension during the season of his fourth year with the team. The next off-season, Sean O'Hara was cut from the team. Koets definitely was the heir apparent starting OC, but he hurt his knee and never recovered enough to play.

In April 2012, Jacobs was already gone. Brown was just a memory of an oft-injured player. Bradshaw was a walking mess. Scott was obviously a wasted pick from the year before.

They had NO reliable RBs at all heading into 2012. RB was the largest hole on the team in April 2012 and Wilson was rated highly by the Giants.

Solid pick at the time. It was no mistake. You have no crystal ball when you draft. Nothing to bitch about with the Wilson pick.

I was thinking the same thing.

They were bringing Koets back because they liked him as a versatile backup. There's no way he was intended to be a starter. The guy was terrible in virtually every game he ever got into.

until they secured a new starting C. The extension he signed was quite small, backup money.

They don't use him the right way. The pick was a good pick, if the offense would utilize him like a Sproles, Bush, old Felix Jones, etc..

They got a n explosive runner and want to use him between the tackles like he's a 6'0 225 lb back..

It's the stretch and sweep plays he's getting stoned on.

I think Wilson can do it all if the blocking is there.

And I know the screen game has been a disaster but I hope they keep working on this and don't put it on the shelf because if they ever get it down with him catching the ball, he can kill a defense.

he is good inside but IMO, they took his confidence away the last 2 games..

But the screens, outlet passes, lining him up outside, spreading the offense is not in the team's philosophy..

Nothing wrong with him running up the gut or off center, but i want to see the guy in space..They can use short passes to him the way Brady, Brees or Rogers use with their backs..

At some point, you have to make the defenses respect some part of a running game and if you put Wilson in space, they would have to bring the safety in and give the WR's less coverage..

This pick has the makings of a Sinorice Moss pick. You get someone who is fast and could be explosive, but don't know how to use it..Just like a Jernigan...

I don't really disagree with your concept, but screens, flares, wheel and arrow routes are how you get a tailback the ball in space. I agree they need to include him in this respect.

Once he shows mastery of those routes and concepts, perhaps they'll expand his role as a receiver. But right now he hasn't shown the mastery nor the necessary hands, imo.

Back then it seems like half of the posters here didn't even want anyone questioning Reese, how far we have come.

My point still stands today, for those saying Glenn alone wouldn't make a difference. A. I disagree. B. What I and others on the thread were talking about was that we had a bad oline getting worse and it needed to be addressed, not just with one pick, but rebuilt.

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We've been letting our OL age and it's the lifeblood of any offense, I hope it doesn't catch up with us.

People were saying they were high on Brewer and others but the point is many saw this coming, many saw the linebacker issue coming. If it is that obvious to the fans it should be to the front office as well.
I like Wilson but we should have gone with Glenn - ( New Window )

or Mosley. What about them would lead people to believe that they would be successful starters in the NFL.

I guess that's my question..Have they even tried to use those type of plays or is that something during camp they decided he wasn't very good at?.. like the issues with pass blocking..

Apparently what people seem to forget about the Giants going into the 2012 season was that the offensive line was something that appeared to be addressed already.

They had Baas, a highly regarded free agent center who would be coming off of an injury-plagued first season with the team, and Will Beatty was coming off of a season-ending injury with his eye. Both of those are young guys who were promising and expected to really step up on the line going forward. In addition Sean Locklear was signed and played superbly when David Diehl missed time.

On top of that, the Giants were last in the league in rushing following the 2011 season. Drafting a young, explosive RB in David Wilson was the logical approach in the first round.

that is the point of the thread I just posted. This isn't hindsight. People knew the line was in trouble back when this happened.

When you are 31st in the league in rushing you can't draft and RB and solve it. If an oline is making holes 90% of backs that make it to the NFL are fine to run through them. Besides, people that watched the games could see that even though our RBs were banged up they didn't have anywhere to go, even two years ago. Much more true today.

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The issue you are presenting is the rosey colored glasses fans have when the season gets ready to start. Most rational people understood that the OL was going to be bad, which will effect the running game and the passing game. But with some fans, they can only see that there are "names' going to be on the line and they showed "flashes" in a 2 minute span wihich makes it seem the line will be better..

Hard to point out holes and possible problems to some fans who have the highest hopes and can't take a "non-fan" approach to the team

or benched following the 2011 season to make room for Glenn as a starter on the offensive line? Beatty? Boothe? Baas? Snee? Diehl?

There's an argument that can be made for drafting a replacement for Diehl in 2012, but that becomes moot point when we all actually witnessed a player outperform him at RTwhen Locklear was inserted into the lineup yet Diehl was still able to retain his job.

On paper, going into the 2012 season the Giants were not in bad shape on the OLine. Most of the poor play from 2011 was largely attributed to the rash of injuries that I pointed out and was expected to be a self-correcting issue. Upgrading the RB position from Bradshaw and Jacobs to someone with more versatility and better hands was the right move.

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the point is people did see it coming. That's why I posted the thread. And I would have happily benched Boothe or Diehl for Glenn last year.

was complaining about the Wilson pick last season when he was making plays.

Funny how that happens.

They're in a bind right now but it's not because they picked Wilson over an offensive lineman. Even if they had picked Cordy Glenn, do you really think he would have been starting last season over any of the veterans?

off the street...yep...that pick was a head scratcher....ranting on this for ten years

Regardless of how well Glenn has been playing or not, doesn't the FACT that he was drafted 9 picks after Wilson give some indication of how many teams thought of his negatives? The Giants obviously thought Wilson + Moseley in the 4th would be a better option than Glenn in the 1st & some other RB after that.

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I would have happily benched Boothe or Diehl for Glenn last year.

Hindsight.

I would have loved to have Glenn on the line last year too - most of us would. But the point is that prior to last season, despite your perspective on things, the offensive line wasn't looked at as an area of big enough concern to warrant reaching in the 1st round for Glenn.

those of the BBI community who always wanted the so called 'skill positions' early in every draft...

...are now pretending that others of us were not ranting ad hock and in a never ending fashion about the need for OLs early in the draft for ten years now.

yes, it was a clear need, yes we ranted about it.

yes, guards in particular, as first and second round considerations going back many years.

is the thing. by whome?

that was Reese's faux pas. It was the inordinate # of picks spent at skills positions - mostly the WRs Barden, Jernigan and now maybe include Randle, but also Beckum - while making OL a "mid-late round" consideration.

The irony of course is that the best and most reliable WR/skills position guy they acquired during the last few years was UDFA Victor Cruz. Meanwhile Petrus is gone form the league, McCants off the Giants, and Mosley and Brewer not good enough or not ready to step in for the too rapidly declining vet OLs.

Wilson appears to be a very sound late 1st round pick, he is truly an exceptional athlete and his flashes have been forest fire like in significance, not little glimmers of light. He's gonna be an impact player once this team again has an OL and he solves the fumbling.

the thread I posted was from draft day two years ago so it isn't hindsight. I said it at the time. I don't know why it is taking you so long to comprehend that.

If you have already seen the thread I linked to then i'm going to need you to look up hindsight in the dictionary.

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Was it Papa or Banks? Anyway someone during the game BlueLou : 8/31/2010 5:11 pm : link said: "...Coughlin likes Koets as a drive blocker..." and alluded to Koets' size and power. Most here are down on Koets, but I've always wondered if Koets' move to OC wasn't an indication that the coaches feel that Adam will ultimately be O'Hara's replacement. Assuming 9 OL make the final 53 (with Boothe on PUP), and assuming Andrews makes it, one among Petrus, Whimper, or Koets will be waived before the season starts. That will be a statement of some sort. Has anybody here with a pair of eyes really studied Koets' blocking during a game? ... in Reese/TC we trust? I'm no coach jaenyg : 8/31/2010 6:59 pm : link but I also re-watch every game and re-watch every visible player on the screen for every play. It takes me all through the week. The reason I do this is so I don't talk out of my ass when I say "so and so looked good the other night" especially as many here do when talking about lineman. You can't honestly know if so and so looked good unless you sat there and studied him on every play. That being said, Koets has has the least amount of failed blocks to me. I can't say I know his assignments, but when he engages a guy, he has been getting the job done. And it appears he has ditched his bad snapping habits. I think they moved him in C in Raven game before shuffling the rest of the line to see him against the 1's. I havent re-watched Raven game so he may have sucked it up there, but against Jets and Steelers he played well. Blue Lou jaenyg : 8/31/2010 7:00 pm : link I Have! See above post...I think he sticks Hey Jae, thank you very, very much! BlueLou : 8/31/2010 7:24 pm : link When people's comments here about players sounds like a simplified take on something that could've been transcribed from a 4 year old scouting report, I take it with a grain of salt... No knock on Marty (Albany), but I don't see how anyone can get a definitive judgement on OL play at camp when they're not even hitting or playing in full pads... So the next question is, why isn't Koets getting more reps with the 1st team? maybe he's still learning the positional details like recognizing defenses and making the line calls? Or his snaps still aren't consistent enough? But if he's playing well aside from that, it explains why the Giants haven't drafted an OC recently.

Well, jaenyg's take, from careful study of Koets' preseason snaps in 2010, is that he was acquitting himself as well (if not better) than anyone else on the OL, over 2 games. Take it for what it's worth. Koets' career ended because of his ACL tear, not because he was a bum.