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Who still thinks this season can be salvaged?

Sean in PA : 9/30/2013 6:43 pm
0-4, obviously they have looked awful, I thought they played hard yesterday and the loss can be placed on ST's, but the offense is still putrid.

Reasons for hope-

1. The division is historically bad.

2. The 2009 Giants were 5-0 and then finished the year 3-8 (point is, things can change fast).

3. The 2011 Super Bowl Champion Giants lost 4 games in a row including getting smoked on MNF in New Orleans with Ron Jaworski laughing at the prospect of them making the playoffs.

4. Teams regularly go through bad slumps in today's NFL, see the Ravens last year.

Most importantly though, the division is THAT bad. What if the Giants play well next week and win, and Denver takes care of Dallas? Are we supposed to ignore the fact that this team would only be one game out in the loss column for the division lead?

Does anyone else think the Giants play better and can at lease 'be in the conversation' of a very poor division? Somebody has to win it.
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look  
Dylan fan : 9/30/2013 8:09 pm : link
If the Giants win less than 7-8 games this year, I'd like my crow baked w/ onions & garlic & I'll listen to you jerkoffs saying "I told you so." Somehow I think if the Giants actually rebound & win those 7-8 games or more & even make the playoffs, I seriously doubt you losers/quitters will admit that you thought they're as bad or just about as bad as the 2008 Lions, 1976 Bucs (0-14) or 1973/74 Giants. All of a sudden you'll be pulling for them again. That's the worst kind of fair-weathered fan.
This week is the last attempt at saving the season.  
Ace718 : 9/30/2013 8:10 pm : link
Giants win and Cowboys lose. We're back in.
There is no logic in your theory  
TheGM : 9/30/2013 8:11 pm : link
when there are 12 games left and only 2 games out. Our team is very talented, too many of you are just caught up in how bad we have been that you fail to realize that. The defense has been good (aside from the DL) and anyone who fails to realize that doesn't understand football. We will see the DL and offense turn it around, and when that happens the team will have success.
Yes, it can  
sjh50 : 9/30/2013 8:11 pm : link
Everyone, including myself, has been focusing on the bad/lack of talent on this team. But there is also a lot of damn good talent on the team.

In a nutshell, my feelings are this:

1. We've gotten snack-bitten by bad breaks/luck and poor execution in some critical areas over past 4 games.

2. The offense may have looked horrible in the last 2 games, but I believe people are seriously underestimating the defenses we faced. Carolina and KC are both top-tier defenses in this league and I believe at the end of this year they will also be near top of the league in D. If our offense was clicking on all levels could we of made a few more plays and stayed competitive/won these games? Of course, but with line turnover it hasn't happened and our offense has struggled.

3. So it was sort of a perfect storm to the start of the season - a) Dallas where we shoot ourselves in the foot, b) Denver which we hung with through 3 quarters and c) 2 great defenses when our o is struggling. That all equals 0-4.

4. I'm not going to kid myself and say defense is going to carry this team; it's just not going to happen. The team/roster is designed for the offense to carry it which it isn't doing right now. But this offense still has the weapons. And I've been moderately happy with the play of the defense this year.

5. These next 4 games, imho, are very winnable. It's Eagles, Bears, Vikings, Eagles. None of those defenses really scare me and this offense should get on track. We've dug ourselves a whole, for sure. But given that schedule do I think it's out of the question that the Giants could go 4-0 in those games and enter the bye at 4-4. Not at all.

We now have very little margin for error, but it's possible. Even taking 3 of the next 4 and entering the buy week at 3-5, followed by Raiders the next week should get us to 4-5 entering the back stretch. And that puts us in fighting position with how the NFC East has been.

Now, if we lose this weekend, I'll probably have a much different perspective. But at this point in time, I don't feel as if the season is already in the books.
I should say DE's  
TheGM : 9/30/2013 8:12 pm : link
our DT's have done well
count me in...I never give up!  
SHO'NUFF : 9/30/2013 8:12 pm : link
fuck it, 12-4, here we come! (realistic: ecstatic to go 9-7, probably finish 8-8 or 7-9)
If salvaged means playoffs, then I think we're beyond salvation  
jcn56 : 9/30/2013 8:13 pm : link
If you mean getting at least 6 wins, we might be able to pull that off. We'll need a drastic departure from what we've seen on the field so far though.
Dylan  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/30/2013 8:14 pm : link
What you don't understand is you think I'm saying this with despair or anger. I'm not. Which is why I think a tank season would be a blessing for this team. We're way too talented to be a top 5-10 pick, but it may end up that way. This is a perfect rebuilding year. We can have a possibly high draft pick in an absolutely loaded draft, have 20million+ of cap to play with, and already have franchise players. That's a dangerous trio for the future. I don't understand why you would prefer a mediocre 8 win season over that potential.

I don't plan on giving "I told you so's". It's not about that. I don't want this team to be bad. But a lot of good can come out of this.
pom poms  
Dylan fan : 9/30/2013 8:18 pm : link
I'll waive the pom poms until they're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. That's what a real fan should be doing, rather than giving up on the season 4 games in. I drove 2.5 hours to sit through sleet, hail & snow in 15 degree temperature on a friggin' 100 year old splintered wooden bench at the Yale Bowl the last game of 1974. They won 2 games that year & got trounced by the Vikes that game. That's called a diehard fan, not someone who hopes they continue to suck to get a better draft pick.
Color me stupid  
trueblueinpw : 9/30/2013 8:22 pm : link
But, yes, I think we will turn this around. Obviously, we absolutely must beat the dirty birds from the City of Brotherly Love.

Let it begin with a win next week.
sjh50 seems too....  
Robert : 9/30/2013 8:24 pm : link
be pretty smart there and has the right attitude. I'm going with him. Come on, let's go! Sure, we're on the canvas, but our eyes are working, we're breathing and god dam it, I hear the theme from Rocky. Let's stand up and be what we're best at being. The New York Football Giants! Let's go!
Riveting  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/30/2013 8:27 pm : link
I'm not one to rain on others parade. You can think that expecting your team to be great makes you a better fan (hint: it doesn't). I'll still watch every game this year and support them. I'm just not a blind homer.
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NYG in Texas : 9/30/2013 8:34 pm : link
Can it be salvaged? Yes, specially with Eli as our QB and our division stinking it up.

However, I don't see it happening unless we make some changes on offense. What changes? I don't know, I'm hoping Reese and Coughlin can figure that one out, but our offense has been putrid up to this point.

3-9  
oldutican : 9/30/2013 8:40 pm : link
since last year is not a fluke. Do you think the Jags will turn it around?
I don't think AGF  
Rick in Annapolis : 9/30/2013 8:48 pm : link
finding a silver lining in a poor season makes him less of a fan. It's rationalization at its best, it doesn't mean he is pulling for them to lose.
Belief is rarely  
chad : 9/30/2013 8:51 pm : link
rooted in logic.
he is rooting for us to lose  
TheGM : 9/30/2013 8:52 pm : link
he wants us to tank the season to get a better pick in the draft
The Jags have no talent  
nybeast : 9/30/2013 8:56 pm : link
I agree that if this team rallies together and stop the mistakes, they can beat most teams in this league. The OL play and special teams have killed this team. But if things can turn around either by scheme or by players stepping up (Mosely, Brewer) or by guys coming back healthy (Andre Brown, Snee, Baas) then I know Eli is capable of great play over a stretch. One thing about the Giants is that they play best when everyone counts them out!
The Jags have no talent  
nybeast : 9/30/2013 8:57 pm : link
I agree that if this team rallies together and stop the mistakes, they can beat most teams in this league. The OL play and special teams have killed this team. But if things can turn around either by scheme or by players stepping up (Mosely, Brewer) or by guys coming back healthy (Andre Brown, Snee, Baas) then I know Eli is capable of great play over a stretch. One thing about the Giants is that they play best when everyone counts them out!
Wait. You're on the team?  
Cam in MO : 9/30/2013 9:05 pm : link
Quote:
he is rooting for us to lose
TheGM : 8:52 pm : link

he wants us to tank the season to get a better pick in the draft


If so, please start playing better.

difference between Jags & Giants  
Dylan fan : 9/30/2013 9:06 pm : link
The Giants have won 2 SBs since the last Jags winning season. They've had 4 winning seasons since 2000. For a reason I won't bother mentioning, it's obviously difficult for some people to tell the difference between the 2 teams. If I were a Jags fan I'd have much less faith that they'd ever play well than I think the Giants will b/c the Jags play like crap much more consistently than the Giants do, season in, season out. They've never slogged through shit to come out smelling like a rose, yet the Giants w/ Eli/TC & company have. It would be almost as trying to be a Jags fan as it was being a Giants fan from 1967 to 1980. THOSE were utterly atrocious teams compared to the 2013 team. BTW, AGF, nice backpedaling. You'd make a good CB.
Just wait !  
shabu : 9/30/2013 9:09 pm : link
Just wait till the injuries start... what a fun year we shall have !
damnit Cam  
TheGM : 9/30/2013 9:11 pm : link
you just blew my cover!
Too bad I haven't backpedalled one iota  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/30/2013 9:22 pm : link
The fact that you and "TheGM" are disagreeing with me tells me I'm onto something smarter than I originally thought.
Giants need to get  
giantgiantfan : 9/30/2013 9:23 pm : link
to 4-4 for me to believe again. To do that they would have to beat the Eagles, Bears, Vikings, and Eagles again. Certainly a winnable schedule for most teams, but unlikely for this team. Certainly a lost this week leaving them 0-5 and 0-2 in the division ends it IMO.
It's bound to happen  
Dan in WNY : 9/30/2013 9:34 pm : link
Just wait !
shabu : 9:09 pm : link
Just wait till the injuries start... what a fun year we shall have !
you are just a young lad  
TheGM : 9/30/2013 9:40 pm : link
you don't know any better, we forgive you. If this team turns it around this year I just hope I don't see you singing their praises.
"If this team turns it around"  
AnotherGiantsFan : 9/30/2013 9:45 pm : link
Don't hold your breath.
One game at a time  
spike : 9/30/2013 10:03 pm : link
folks.
Coming into the game Sunday I was FAR from giving up.  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/30/2013 10:29 pm : link
As you said, mathematically, the Giants are in the same position as other 2-2 teams in good divisions. I thought the Carolina game would serve as a wakeup call and they would get their shit together.... defensively, they did.

The offense really does look putrid though (and FWIW, I can't believe the defense appears to be the strength of this team). 7 points in 120 minutes, coming on one big play as opposed to a sustained drive... is disgusting.

The offense appears to have either given up or been drastically overrated by everyone. Now, after a 4th loss, I could definitely see the defense, who gave a very good effort, "pack it in," so to speak.

The math hasn't changed much since last week, but I'm far less confident than I was before.

Can the season still be salvaged? Sure. If there's any team in the NFL capable of "flipping the switch," it has been and always will be Tom Coughlin's Giants.

But I no longer believe it's going to happen.
salvaged.. yes.. definitely.. to what degree.. that's the debate IMO..  
Rsspro : 9/30/2013 10:41 pm : link
I still see so much talent on this team..

granted our offensive line needs better performance overall.. and we need our defensive line to start to dominate consistently.. not just once in awhile..

it seems when one thing is clicking for us.. something else isn't.. go back 2 weeks ago.. Wilson's 21 yard TD run taken back by a holding call.. last week.. Josh Brown missing an opportunity to tie the game heading into halftime..

Dallas week 1 we still could have won despite all the turnover.. so.. we're just not clicking together at the same time.. I'm holding out hope that it's bound to happen.. and we see a Giant team that plays real good football..

now when (and IF) we get there.. will playing real good football be enough.. we'll see..

we do have an unusual advantage of only being 2 games out of 1st place in the NFC East.. I could see a team winning the division at 8-8 or 7-9 at this rate.. kinda like Seattle did a few years ago.. and then won their first playoff game..

who knows for sure.. but I do know if the Cowboy's were 6-4 and we were 4-6.. I think we'd have confidence we could still make a run.. and we'd have only 6 games left..

right now we have 12 games left.. so I think it can be salvaged to the extent that Wilson establishes himself.. Nicks, Cruz, and Randle all progress and get on the same page with Eli.. and our defense plays adequate to win games..

now.. just seeing that right now might be enough for me for 2013.. but then the hope is.. that playing like that we look at the standings in 4 weeks from now.. and things look a lot better.. time will tell..
I've been watching football sinc 1993, hand have been watching it  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/30/2013 10:47 pm : link
where I know what the Hell I'm looking at since about 2000. That's 13 years of considering myself a student and a fan of football all at once. Some of you here can double or even triple me in this regard.

So take this for what it's worth...

I've never seen blocking from the tight ends as bad as I saw on Sunday. Whether missed assignments, outright whiffs or simply being overpowered, I've never seen a game like that where the tight ends had such a big affect by sucking so hard.

I've seen shitty blocking before. We all have, but Jesus at least get a chip! Something that could at least give Eli the opportunity to make something out of nothing... but Sunday (and the previous Sunday) Eli had less than nothing to work with.

I don't know much about Myers minus his stat line last week, but I was sure we'd get more out of Pascoe from a blocking standpoint. I've seen him succeed to some degree as a blocker. This leads me to believe there is a huge schematic issue... or... something that can be corrected.

It's one of the few reasons I have some semblance of hope... that and our craptastic division.
minus Myers stat line last year***  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/30/2013 10:48 pm : link
not week.
last time we took advantage of a tank year  
Mr. Nickels : 10/1/2013 1:45 am : link
it got us Eli
We have a bad starting OL that's also thin on back-ups.  
BlueLou : 10/1/2013 1:54 am : link
At least at TE we have Donnell and Robinson "waiting" in the wings.

But the OL is gonna kill us unless there's rather big surprises coming out of Brewer AND Mosley during THIS season.
JonC  
idinkido : 10/1/2013 5:51 am : link
I defined salvage not in terms of how many games we will win this year, but in giving us hope for the future by developing some young talent. This team is not winning anything meaningful this season. But as a fan I will hang in there rooting hard for us. I do think we need to change personnel and coaches. This team plays with no direction. I actually do not blame TC, though the buck stops at the top; so his head may have to fall to facilitate big changes.
The first think i look at...  
mar_ar : 10/1/2013 9:07 am : link
is the schedule that already happened. if we accept that the giants are an average team (7-9 wins), then all the games they lost are games they should have lost (3 road games to teams their equal or better and a home game to the best team in the league). and not only that, if we accept that everyone else in the division is also average at best (obviously not a stretch), we know they will lose these same games. loses to denver and KC are going to be a common factor among all 4 teams in the division, and i will be suprised if there are a lot of road wins within divisional play. as long the giants can hold their home field (though the seattle game obviously looms large) and scrape out a couple of road games (maybe at SD or at philly), they can get back to 8-8 and very possibly win this division.
i know they obviously havent looked like a team that is capable of that over the course of a game yet, but we all know that none of these games have been as bad as the final scores indicate. and if we can get some cohesion upfront on offense, get aaron freaking ross off the field on defense, and get weatherford to stop out-punting his coverage, these games will look dramatically less lopsided.
Yeah, it's not really all that realistic ...  
Beez : 10/1/2013 9:34 am : link

... but the die-hard fan in me keeps thinking about this:

Get a win over Philly Sunday, see Denver put Dallas back at 2-3 and we're not finished just yet. In a crapfest of a division, could it happen? Not likely, but certainly possible, in a world of "I can't believe that happened" sports stuff.

If the Giants go to 0-5, that would be that.
They don't have to make the playoffs  
AnnapolisMike : 10/1/2013 10:00 am : link
for the season to be salvaged. The Giants have the unique opportunity to see what they have on the roster. Especially if they lose to the Eagles this weekend.

At this point they need a win...and then need to string a few together. But they have got to beat Philly this weekend and make up some ground in the division.

If they lose to a bad Philly team at home....any hope for the playoffs is over.
They  
NJGiantFan84 : 10/1/2013 10:14 am : link
started off with a tough 1st 4 games. The only home game wa sgainst the best team in the NFL. But to me, it's how bad they have looked while losing more than just losing. Can the season be salvaged? Sure, I would take a 6-6 record from this point on and be content. But with how bad this division is, we could absolutely make the playoffs by sweeping the rest of the division games. That would give us 5 wins and 5 losses for the three teams. 3 or 4 other wins would probably get us the division.

I don't see it happening, but it could. Beat Philly and youre right in the mix. Two games behind Dallas at worst, 1 game if lucky. The season can be salvaged. I just don't think it will.
idinkido  
JonC : 10/1/2013 10:18 am : link
My thought process runs along similar lines unless there's a 180 degree shift in fortunes that rarely happens to an 0-4 team. A fan can view both routes at the same time.

I'm always watching for growth from individual players and from the collective units as a whole, that's a constant variable for me. Given the coach has been here ten years, the league has evolved and changed, the expectation now is will the coaches/schemes evolve too. Will they get the OL coached up to give the team a fighting chance each week, etc.
Things can only get better...  
manh george : 10/1/2013 10:36 am : link
passes for analysis?

Um, no. I do not expect a turnaround because I see too many holes on offense, and don't envision the utter dominance we would need from defense to offset that.

No blocking from the TE, Hynoski gone, not a single above-average offensive lineman, all suggest that the offense is going to underwhelm most of the season--if not all. I just hope Eli doesn't get hurt running the team behind Swiss cheese.

On defense, we aren't getting enough out of the DE's, although that could get better if JPP can actually get healthy and Moore can step in. The back 4 is too thin, and even with somewhat better play from Herzlich and Paysinger last week, the LB corps is thin. So, this can become an adequate defense, but domination is unlikely.

That said, we are also snakebit on special teams. The two kickers may get better.

I don't have a huge problem with this being a transition year, and that doesn't make me a bad fan. Same for some others who aren't looking for a turnaround in the middle of this season. It is also important to remember that the downturn started last year in the second half. If this team can draft early, and repair some key spots, while adding a few FA's, perhaps many of the holes can be repaired n a single season, THAT is what I am rooting for.
In addition...  
manh george : 10/1/2013 10:50 am : link
I would be pretty disappointed to sneak into the playoffs at 8-8 simply because the Division sucks, and then get our ass handed to us in the first round.

I would rather see the team make the fixes it needs to be very competitive in coming years. And yes, it needs substantial fixes.
It's not looking good...  
Doomster : 10/1/2013 10:58 am : link
Seems like each week we lose another guy....you just have to play one game at a time, and hope for the best....

A win against Philly, puts us one game out....go figure...
I don't, and  
Ash : 10/1/2013 10:58 am : link
unlike prior years, if by some miracle they made the playoffs, I think they'd be curbstomped.

This team needs some fundamental changes and a real infusion of talent. They're terible.
until we lose in division again  
islander1 : 10/1/2013 11:34 am : link
the hilarious reality is, we're still not eliminated from the playoffs for now.
Of course it can be salvaged  
Go Terps : 10/1/2013 11:39 am : link
Win every game and 12-4 is a great record. 2 games back with 12 to play is not insurmountable.

But will it happen? Doubtful.
sure, they might end up being the tallest midget in the NFC East  
Greg from LI : 10/1/2013 11:44 am : link
But what good would that do?
I just hope we can win a game  
Kyle : 10/1/2013 11:55 am : link
Their schedule isn't pretty the rest of the way  
VPD72 : 10/1/2013 9:08 pm : link
W vs Eagles
L @ Chicago (primetime)
W vs Minnesota
L @ Eagles
W vs Oakland
L vs Packers
L vs Cowboys
W @ Washington
L @ Sand Diego
L vs Seattle
L @ Detroit
W vs Washington

This is my current out look on the season based on what I've seen so far.

7-9 at best, 5-11 at worst
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