Who still thinks this season can be salvaged?

Amazingly. There are two and only two reasons why the Giants are 0-4 at this point: piss poor blocking by the offensive line, and a horrendous pass rush.

If somehow, someway, they find some semblance of decent blocking (or run more hurry-up as others suggested) and one of the DEs happens to wake the f up, you might have a chance. That being said, 0-4 is when Losing Disease is in full and there's a lot of give up. I say get Cordle out of there and throw Mosely in there and give Moore a shot at DE.

They are doing plenty of things very poorly overall, but those two components are essentially why they are 0-4. Turnovers have killed them but if they line could block you'd have a shot. Highly unlikely but stranger things have happened. We all thought Washington was done last year and they reeled off wins to win a shitty division. No reason why we can't if we can catch some breaks.

So yes I don't feel we are dead

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is so wide open.

Don't forget the shit performances last year.

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don't.

We play a lot of quality opponents outside our division.

Our problems are not because we were missing injured players who are now ready to play. They are because several units, OL and LB, need to be completely overhauled.

I don't think we can recover, even though the NFC East is epically bad.

(either a turnover, missed assignment, trip, a debatable penalty (Myers' fall, the kickception, Randle fumbling (Denver), the Beatty holding call against Carolina and the block in the back call on Trattou, or the clips and 2 blocks in the back that weren't called on McCluster's TD.)

Scott dropping that screen against KC, tipping the Int. to Carr against the Cowboys, Cruz missing a first down by 2 feet..etc.. etc..

It's really kind of a cluster of poor plays, questionable calls, and bad luck.

That's why I think this stretch has had some outliers, and there may be a slight turn around over the next 4 games.

of course, until the team is mathematically eliminated the season can be salvaged.

but in every parallel you can bring up, this team has looked worse. on the field, performance has looked awful.

After week 2, I could have said, I'm not surprised. Losing at DAL and at home to DEN isn't that surprising.

After CAR and the manner of loss yesterday, can is definitely still possible, but it's highly unlikely.

I'm at least going to allow myself to sort of think they're still alive. If I don't, next season is a long, long ways away.

I think the OL is probably too shitty to really be salvaged this year.. but who knows. If the division wasn't so bad I'd say there was no chance in hell. But none of these teams look like they're going to pull away any time soon so maybe we can get back into it somehow.

Hopefully we can salvage the season by developing some of the younger players such as Hankins. Moore, and Rueben Randle, and rebuild an effective OL.

Playoffs? Doubtful unless a 180 takes place. 8 wins might be enough to win the division, but even that will be a big challenge.

become good blockers, maybe; but that's highly improbable.

to get to 8-8 and win this division, but that's going require a minor miracle and 8-8 is still pretty crappy for a veteran team that's had success in the past. It would take an incredible turnaround to avoid a continuation of the downward trajectory that this team is on.

Very optimistically, if some of the younger OL step up (which is possible, players do improve with playing time, AND JPP gets his game back, and we stay relatively healthy, AND Eli plays really well -- then the team might end up being pretty good. But that's a lot of stuff and we've already got 4 losses on the board. Even if you believe the team is way better than they've shown so far, those 4 losses still count.

the playoffs we will make a run. 9-7, and we could be NFC East champs!!

I can feel it. We have beaten ourselves up to this point...and whoever said this team has "little talent" doesn't know what they are talking about. We are one of the most talented teams in the league, we just aren't playing like it right now.

a meaningful December game that has playoff implications for the Giants?

Can that happen?

can, but only with a win this week. We have to have the six games in the East. If we lose to Philly, it's over.

Of salvaged? 7-9 or 8-8? Or 9+ wins? Or getting to playoffs? 0-4 start never made it to post season.

When people say "we are about to go on a run", I wonder...are we watching the same game? What makes you think that will happen? We just lost 31-7.

just to reach 6-10 ...

The team has given no indication of being anything other than a loser. Forget winning - can they manage to lose by less than three touchdowns?

my fear is that the coaches don't make the personnel or scheme changes necessary to fix our problems. it's obvious some of our players have been underperforming/injured/over the hill for a while, but they stay in way past the point of underperforming. some folks have called this "loyalty". I prefer to call it being afraid of your employees. it's the coaches job to put the best players on the field. go ahead and do it.

it probably still won't get us to 7-9, but it's the right thing to do.

but they're two games back and have eleven games that are, on paper anyway, winnable. Now they're playing like absolute shit so it probably won't matter, but 8-8 could end up winning this division.

Which is if 8-8 wins the NFCE. We would have to go 8-4 in our last 12.. which is certainly unlikely but not impossible.

I think that's basically our only hope.

sure we have played like shit but we were in the Cowboys, Broncos and Chiefs games until we beat ourselves. We have a very talented offense that hasn't hit its stride yet. Our defense has actually played well aside from the Dline (who is supposed to be one of the better ones in the league). I think the Dline will regain its form against Vick and so will Eli and the offense (Eagles secondary blows).

You've got to believe as long as you can breathe.

Just like week one against the cowboys, then i think we can get back on track. The defense is there, but the offense and ST is really struggling now.

That being said, if we win 4/5 of the remaining division games, i like our chances.

The biggest games will be this week against the eagles and the cowboys at home. That tie breaker might be crucial

This team has earned the right to keep believing in it even after they look awful for an extended period.

But that was the same faith people had coming into week 3, when we were completely dismantled by an average team. And it was the fame faith people had coming into week 4, when we were completely dismantled by a team of TBD quality (they're on pace to win the NFC East, but we'll see how they fare elsewhere).

So far we're 0 for 2 with a pair of disasters in faith-based games. Maybe we'll turn it around and rattle off a bunch of wins, but the faith well is starting to run dry.

You've got to be kidding me. That's the kind of horseshit Redskins fans say.

The defense giving up two touchdowns in the fourth quarter yesterday was "beating themselves"? Being unable to stop anyone at all on third down is "beating themselves"?

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But I'm a fairly young lad and had the good fortune to root for a team that has won 2 SBs in 5 years. Is it really the worst thing in the world for this team to tank when the draft is absolutely stacked next year and we'll have about 20+ million in cap space?

This isn't 07 0-2 Giants. The talent isn't there to make a run in the playoffs, and that's fine. But I'm not going to be thrilled if we make the playoffs as a 7-9/8-8 team. Fuck that. Take advantage of a shit year and don't continue mediocrity. This is a blessing in disguise.

This year but who knows. Let's see.

They have not "beaten themselves" though. They suck so far. But the division and it's components are just so bad... I'm optimistic. Always.

especially given the fact of how bad the rest of the division is, then yes I consider you a "shitty" fan. We are 2 games out with 12 to play. By the way we have played, things can only get better.

Yup. Their schedule is pretty easy the rest of the way. Bears, Seattle, GB are the only real tough games. If they win the rest, they very likely win the division. Stranger freakin' things have happened.

They've been in all 4 games well into the 3rd quarter despite playing utterly like crap mostly on O & STs. By the 4th quarter the D peters out as well, except in Dallas. I doubt any team was ever in striking distance of winning w/ -5 TOs.

As said, the OL & pass rush needs to drastically improve. JPP returning to beast mode a few more weeks after surgery isn't out of the realm of possibility. Moore contributing isn't either. Maybe if they practice the short passing game non-stop that would improve as well.

I don't see nearly as much quit in the Giants as I do in a majority of their so-called fans, who seem to be happier when they have numerous things to bitch about than when they win. Compare the Giants current team to those in the 70s & the difference is rather stark. The 1972 Giants went 8-6 w/ Norm Snead as QB & Rich Houston & Don Hermann were their leading WRs w/ 27 & 28 catches. Ron Johnson had 45 & Tucker 55. Chew on that for awhile for comparison sake.

Yes we can make the playoffs because of how awful of a division this year, but is that really worth it if we have no chance in the playoffs? Once again, I'll bet my account that this is not a 07 Giants squad that will turn it around. You saw something in them, this team? Not so much.

I don't see how a tank season and getting back to contenders instantly next year would be the worst thing in the world.

I said it last night. If Dallas loses to Denver (book it), and we manage to beat Philly at home (certainly doable, if only because of how bad the Eagles are), that puts us in 2nd place in the division, and one game out of first place.

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What is your definition 540NYFAN : 7:05 pm : link Of salvaged? 7-9 or 8-8? Or 9+ wins? Or getting to playoffs? 0-4 start never made it to post season.

The '92 Chargers made it to and even won a playoff game after starting 0-4.

it'd be hard to give up. If both fail to happen, packing it in seems more and more likely.

Forget Clowney. Let's make a run at this thing.

We're averaging 10 points a game over our last 3.

Scoring output like that is certain to lose games in this league unless you have the 2000 Ravens defense.. and clearly, we don't.

BELIEVE IT AND IT WILL HAPPEN...We need more believers around here, too many fair weather fans.

four games what indicators are there that would make you believe this years version has a chance? The Jints play slow, refuse to mix in a short passing game, oline can not give Eli enough time to get the ball deep, the defense is still getting gashed with the run and wr's are running wide open. Add into the mix the predictable play calling, the Jints just aren't very good. I have been a fan since 1955 and have always been the eternal optimist, I always thought the Jints could win every game they played, not so with this team.

...is fucking annoying.

6 fucking turnovers in game 1 is definitely beating yourself. I don't think there's ever been a better example of it. Ridiculously crappy blocking & numerous missed tackles on shitty punts that went nowhere near where they were told to go is definitely beating yourself. Penalties at crucial points in each game (like a called back TD, called back 43 yard punt return, penalty that turned a long FG into a TD), 2 missed makeable FGs, numerous dropped & deflected passes is definitely beating yourself.

You don't know what a fair weather fan is. Fair weather fan is a fan who only supports/follows the team when they are doing good. If guys are complaining about how bad the team is, it's just them being passionate.

Enjoy tossing your pom poms around though.

by then it might be too late, but I guarantee they'll get rolling at some point. The 2011 OL was worse than this current group (if Beatty plays up to his contract), the skill position talent on this team is deep.

Right now I expect a 6/7 win season but I'm still confident that the offense will wake up at some point.

2013: 15.2 PPG
2012: 26.8 PPG
2011: 24.6 PPG
2010: 24.6 PPG
2009: 25.1 PPG

Every year it's a different roster but I don't really feel like this 2013 roster is significantly worse than the roster of the past couple of years. The OL is better than they're showing, especially Beatty. Hopefully this team can hang in there until the offense snaps out of it.

when the Giants go on a run, you cant root for them.

If you think you're supporting the team I don't even know what the fuck to tell you. Your utter lack of self-awareness pretty much ends the discussion. & I give it 2 more weeks before you stop following the team as well, unless it's to wish they lose every game to prove that you were right how bad the team would be the rest of the season.

Go fuck yourself.

It's funny how you and Dylan equate being a realist to a fair weather fan. I'm not upset, I realize that you can't win them all every year. Sometimes you have to think about the future. I'm a Knicks fan, with how bad the Knicks have been the past decade, I'm content with just a playoff team. The Giants can do much more in the future.

This isn't a playoff team this year. Because I realize that and you don't just makes you a cheerleader, not me being a fair weather fan.

!!!! We have been dead before

absolutely

Admitting that does not make you a bad fan. After the Eagles run up and down the field on our joke defense perhaps some of you will admit that this is a lost year.

now get lost. The fact that you actually want to tank the season says everything we need to know about you. You are a fucking idiot.

Their seasons ended on the same day.

But it's not as bad as everyone makes it sound. But no use divulging into logic here, I'll leave you to your pom poms.

I either want this team to compete for the NFC East or be in position to draft a stud (I realize there are draft busts) or trade for a cache of picks.

I don't think the Giants are a total reclamation project by any stretch of the Imagination. They have a freaking franchise QB. The OL is the biggest problem but it can be dramatically improved this offseason with the cap room the Giants will have and the draft. Let's be realistic. Management knew this team had holes and little cap room to address all of the issues. They also knew that opportunity awaits next offseason.

The Giants needed all the breaks this year, primarily health. Hat is a healthy Snee, Baas, JPP, and no critical injuries (Brown and Brown). Well, that didn't happen and their wiggle room evaporated.

With that being said, the Spurs and Colts hit the jackpot by sucking. I'm ok with one disastrous record. Six or seven wins just doesn't do it for me.

that everyone is fine going through the rest of the season without a T-Bones playas only thread? Think long and hard about that.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Bring the BBQ sauce. We're gonna go smoke someone this weekend.

If the Giants win less than 7-8 games this year, I'd like my crow baked w/ onions & garlic & I'll listen to you jerkoffs saying "I told you so." Somehow I think if the Giants actually rebound & win those 7-8 games or more & even make the playoffs, I seriously doubt you losers/quitters will admit that you thought they're as bad or just about as bad as the 2008 Lions, 1976 Bucs (0-14) or 1973/74 Giants. All of a sudden you'll be pulling for them again. That's the worst kind of fair-weathered fan.

Giants win and Cowboys lose. We're back in.

when there are 12 games left and only 2 games out. Our team is very talented, too many of you are just caught up in how bad we have been that you fail to realize that. The defense has been good (aside from the DL) and anyone who fails to realize that doesn't understand football. We will see the DL and offense turn it around, and when that happens the team will have success.

Everyone, including myself, has been focusing on the bad/lack of talent on this team. But there is also a lot of damn good talent on the team.

In a nutshell, my feelings are this:

1. We've gotten snack-bitten by bad breaks/luck and poor execution in some critical areas over past 4 games.

2. The offense may have looked horrible in the last 2 games, but I believe people are seriously underestimating the defenses we faced. Carolina and KC are both top-tier defenses in this league and I believe at the end of this year they will also be near top of the league in D. If our offense was clicking on all levels could we of made a few more plays and stayed competitive/won these games? Of course, but with line turnover it hasn't happened and our offense has struggled.

3. So it was sort of a perfect storm to the start of the season - a) Dallas where we shoot ourselves in the foot, b) Denver which we hung with through 3 quarters and c) 2 great defenses when our o is struggling. That all equals 0-4.

4. I'm not going to kid myself and say defense is going to carry this team; it's just not going to happen. The team/roster is designed for the offense to carry it which it isn't doing right now. But this offense still has the weapons. And I've been moderately happy with the play of the defense this year.

5. These next 4 games, imho, are very winnable. It's Eagles, Bears, Vikings, Eagles. None of those defenses really scare me and this offense should get on track. We've dug ourselves a whole, for sure. But given that schedule do I think it's out of the question that the Giants could go 4-0 in those games and enter the bye at 4-4. Not at all.

We now have very little margin for error, but it's possible. Even taking 3 of the next 4 and entering the buy week at 3-5, followed by Raiders the next week should get us to 4-5 entering the back stretch. And that puts us in fighting position with how the NFC East has been.

Now, if we lose this weekend, I'll probably have a much different perspective. But at this point in time, I don't feel as if the season is already in the books.

our DT's have done well

fuck it, 12-4, here we come! (realistic: ecstatic to go 9-7, probably finish 8-8 or 7-9)

If you mean getting at least 6 wins, we might be able to pull that off. We'll need a drastic departure from what we've seen on the field so far though.

What you don't understand is you think I'm saying this with despair or anger. I'm not. Which is why I think a tank season would be a blessing for this team. We're way too talented to be a top 5-10 pick, but it may end up that way. This is a perfect rebuilding year. We can have a possibly high draft pick in an absolutely loaded draft, have 20million+ of cap to play with, and already have franchise players. That's a dangerous trio for the future. I don't understand why you would prefer a mediocre 8 win season over that potential.

I don't plan on giving "I told you so's". It's not about that. I don't want this team to be bad. But a lot of good can come out of this.

I'll waive the pom poms until they're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. That's what a real fan should be doing, rather than giving up on the season 4 games in. I drove 2.5 hours to sit through sleet, hail & snow in 15 degree temperature on a friggin' 100 year old splintered wooden bench at the Yale Bowl the last game of 1974. They won 2 games that year & got trounced by the Vikes that game. That's called a diehard fan, not someone who hopes they continue to suck to get a better draft pick.

But, yes, I think we will turn this around. Obviously, we absolutely must beat the dirty birds from the City of Brotherly Love.

Let it begin with a win next week.

be pretty smart there and has the right attitude. I'm going with him. Come on, let's go! Sure, we're on the canvas, but our eyes are working, we're breathing and god dam it, I hear the theme from Rocky. Let's stand up and be what we're best at being. The New York Football Giants! Let's go!

I'm not one to rain on others parade. You can think that expecting your team to be great makes you a better fan (hint: it doesn't). I'll still watch every game this year and support them. I'm just not a blind homer.

Can it be salvaged? Yes, specially with Eli as our QB and our division stinking it up.

However, I don't see it happening unless we make some changes on offense. What changes? I don't know, I'm hoping Reese and Coughlin can figure that one out, but our offense has been putrid up to this point.

since last year is not a fluke. Do you think the Jags will turn it around?

finding a silver lining in a poor season makes him less of a fan. It's rationalization at its best, it doesn't mean he is pulling for them to lose.

rooted in logic.

he wants us to tank the season to get a better pick in the draft

I agree that if this team rallies together and stop the mistakes, they can beat most teams in this league. The OL play and special teams have killed this team. But if things can turn around either by scheme or by players stepping up (Mosely, Brewer) or by guys coming back healthy (Andre Brown, Snee, Baas) then I know Eli is capable of great play over a stretch. One thing about the Giants is that they play best when everyone counts them out!

I agree that if this team rallies together and stop the mistakes, they can beat most teams in this league. The OL play and special teams have killed this team. But if things can turn around either by scheme or by players stepping up (Mosely, Brewer) or by guys coming back healthy (Andre Brown, Snee, Baas) then I know Eli is capable of great play over a stretch. One thing about the Giants is that they play best when everyone counts them out!

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he is rooting for us to lose TheGM : 8:52 pm : link he wants us to tank the season to get a better pick in the draft

If so, please start playing better.

The Giants have won 2 SBs since the last Jags winning season. They've had 4 winning seasons since 2000. For a reason I won't bother mentioning, it's obviously difficult for some people to tell the difference between the 2 teams. If I were a Jags fan I'd have much less faith that they'd ever play well than I think the Giants will b/c the Jags play like crap much more consistently than the Giants do, season in, season out. They've never slogged through shit to come out smelling like a rose, yet the Giants w/ Eli/TC & company have. It would be almost as trying to be a Jags fan as it was being a Giants fan from 1967 to 1980. THOSE were utterly atrocious teams compared to the 2013 team. BTW, AGF, nice backpedaling. You'd make a good CB.

Just wait till the injuries start... what a fun year we shall have !

you just blew my cover!

The fact that you and "TheGM" are disagreeing with me tells me I'm onto something smarter than I originally thought.

to 4-4 for me to believe again. To do that they would have to beat the Eagles, Bears, Vikings, and Eagles again. Certainly a winnable schedule for most teams, but unlikely for this team. Certainly a lost this week leaving them 0-5 and 0-2 in the division ends it IMO.

Just wait !
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Just wait till the injuries start... what a fun year we shall have !

you don't know any better, we forgive you. If this team turns it around this year I just hope I don't see you singing their praises.

Don't hold your breath.

folks.

As you said, mathematically, the Giants are in the same position as other 2-2 teams in good divisions. I thought the Carolina game would serve as a wakeup call and they would get their shit together.... defensively, they did.

The offense really does look putrid though (and FWIW, I can't believe the defense appears to be the strength of this team). 7 points in 120 minutes, coming on one big play as opposed to a sustained drive... is disgusting.

The offense appears to have either given up or been drastically overrated by everyone. Now, after a 4th loss, I could definitely see the defense, who gave a very good effort, "pack it in," so to speak.

The math hasn't changed much since last week, but I'm far less confident than I was before.

Can the season still be salvaged? Sure. If there's any team in the NFL capable of "flipping the switch," it has been and always will be Tom Coughlin's Giants.

But I no longer believe it's going to happen.

I still see so much talent on this team..

granted our offensive line needs better performance overall.. and we need our defensive line to start to dominate consistently.. not just once in awhile..

it seems when one thing is clicking for us.. something else isn't.. go back 2 weeks ago.. Wilson's 21 yard TD run taken back by a holding call.. last week.. Josh Brown missing an opportunity to tie the game heading into halftime..

Dallas week 1 we still could have won despite all the turnover.. so.. we're just not clicking together at the same time.. I'm holding out hope that it's bound to happen.. and we see a Giant team that plays real good football..

now when (and IF) we get there.. will playing real good football be enough.. we'll see..

we do have an unusual advantage of only being 2 games out of 1st place in the NFC East.. I could see a team winning the division at 8-8 or 7-9 at this rate.. kinda like Seattle did a few years ago.. and then won their first playoff game..

who knows for sure.. but I do know if the Cowboy's were 6-4 and we were 4-6.. I think we'd have confidence we could still make a run.. and we'd have only 6 games left..

right now we have 12 games left.. so I think it can be salvaged to the extent that Wilson establishes himself.. Nicks, Cruz, and Randle all progress and get on the same page with Eli.. and our defense plays adequate to win games..

now.. just seeing that right now might be enough for me for 2013.. but then the hope is.. that playing like that we look at the standings in 4 weeks from now.. and things look a lot better.. time will tell..

where I know what the Hell I'm looking at since about 2000. That's 13 years of considering myself a student and a fan of football all at once. Some of you here can double or even triple me in this regard.

So take this for what it's worth...

I've never seen blocking from the tight ends as bad as I saw on Sunday. Whether missed assignments, outright whiffs or simply being overpowered, I've never seen a game like that where the tight ends had such a big affect by sucking so hard.

I've seen shitty blocking before. We all have, but Jesus at least get a chip! Something that could at least give Eli the opportunity to make something out of nothing... but Sunday (and the previous Sunday) Eli had less than nothing to work with.

I don't know much about Myers minus his stat line last week, but I was sure we'd get more out of Pascoe from a blocking standpoint. I've seen him succeed to some degree as a blocker. This leads me to believe there is a huge schematic issue... or... something that can be corrected.

It's one of the few reasons I have some semblance of hope... that and our craptastic division.

not week.

it got us Eli

At least at TE we have Donnell and Robinson "waiting" in the wings.

But the OL is gonna kill us unless there's rather big surprises coming out of Brewer AND Mosley during THIS season.

I defined salvage not in terms of how many games we will win this year, but in giving us hope for the future by developing some young talent. This team is not winning anything meaningful this season. But as a fan I will hang in there rooting hard for us. I do think we need to change personnel and coaches. This team plays with no direction. I actually do not blame TC, though the buck stops at the top; so his head may have to fall to facilitate big changes.

is the schedule that already happened. if we accept that the giants are an average team (7-9 wins), then all the games they lost are games they should have lost (3 road games to teams their equal or better and a home game to the best team in the league). and not only that, if we accept that everyone else in the division is also average at best (obviously not a stretch), we know they will lose these same games. loses to denver and KC are going to be a common factor among all 4 teams in the division, and i will be suprised if there are a lot of road wins within divisional play. as long the giants can hold their home field (though the seattle game obviously looms large) and scrape out a couple of road games (maybe at SD or at philly), they can get back to 8-8 and very possibly win this division.
i know they obviously havent looked like a team that is capable of that over the course of a game yet, but we all know that none of these games have been as bad as the final scores indicate. and if we can get some cohesion upfront on offense, get aaron freaking ross off the field on defense, and get weatherford to stop out-punting his coverage, these games will look dramatically less lopsided.

... but the die-hard fan in me keeps thinking about this:

Get a win over Philly Sunday, see Denver put Dallas back at 2-3 and we're not finished just yet. In a crapfest of a division, could it happen? Not likely, but certainly possible, in a world of "I can't believe that happened" sports stuff.

If the Giants go to 0-5, that would be that.

for the season to be salvaged. The Giants have the unique opportunity to see what they have on the roster. Especially if they lose to the Eagles this weekend.

At this point they need a win...and then need to string a few together. But they have got to beat Philly this weekend and make up some ground in the division.

If they lose to a bad Philly team at home....any hope for the playoffs is over.

started off with a tough 1st 4 games. The only home game wa sgainst the best team in the NFL. But to me, it's how bad they have looked while losing more than just losing. Can the season be salvaged? Sure, I would take a 6-6 record from this point on and be content. But with how bad this division is, we could absolutely make the playoffs by sweeping the rest of the division games. That would give us 5 wins and 5 losses for the three teams. 3 or 4 other wins would probably get us the division.

I don't see it happening, but it could. Beat Philly and youre right in the mix. Two games behind Dallas at worst, 1 game if lucky. The season can be salvaged. I just don't think it will.

My thought process runs along similar lines unless there's a 180 degree shift in fortunes that rarely happens to an 0-4 team. A fan can view both routes at the same time.

I'm always watching for growth from individual players and from the collective units as a whole, that's a constant variable for me. Given the coach has been here ten years, the league has evolved and changed, the expectation now is will the coaches/schemes evolve too. Will they get the OL coached up to give the team a fighting chance each week, etc.

passes for analysis?

Um, no. I do not expect a turnaround because I see too many holes on offense, and don't envision the utter dominance we would need from defense to offset that.

No blocking from the TE, Hynoski gone, not a single above-average offensive lineman, all suggest that the offense is going to underwhelm most of the season--if not all. I just hope Eli doesn't get hurt running the team behind Swiss cheese.

On defense, we aren't getting enough out of the DE's, although that could get better if JPP can actually get healthy and Moore can step in. The back 4 is too thin, and even with somewhat better play from Herzlich and Paysinger last week, the LB corps is thin. So, this can become an adequate defense, but domination is unlikely.

That said, we are also snakebit on special teams. The two kickers may get better.

I don't have a huge problem with this being a transition year, and that doesn't make me a bad fan. Same for some others who aren't looking for a turnaround in the middle of this season. It is also important to remember that the downturn started last year in the second half. If this team can draft early, and repair some key spots, while adding a few FA's, perhaps many of the holes can be repaired n a single season, THAT is what I am rooting for.

I would be pretty disappointed to sneak into the playoffs at 8-8 simply because the Division sucks, and then get our ass handed to us in the first round.

I would rather see the team make the fixes it needs to be very competitive in coming years. And yes, it needs substantial fixes.

Seems like each week we lose another guy....you just have to play one game at a time, and hope for the best....

A win against Philly, puts us one game out....go figure...

unlike prior years, if by some miracle they made the playoffs, I think they'd be curbstomped.

This team needs some fundamental changes and a real infusion of talent. They're terible.

the hilarious reality is, we're still not eliminated from the playoffs for now.

Win every game and 12-4 is a great record. 2 games back with 12 to play is not insurmountable.

But will it happen? Doubtful.

But what good would that do?

W vs Eagles
L @ Chicago (primetime)
W vs Minnesota
L @ Eagles
W vs Oakland
L vs Packers
L vs Cowboys
W @ Washington
L @ Sand Diego
L vs Seattle
L @ Detroit
W vs Washington

This is my current out look on the season based on what I've seen so far.

7-9 at best, 5-11 at worst