I've read BBI for a few years, but this is my first post - it's mostly a response to the garbage I've been reading here for the past couple weeks, so don't view it as an indictment of BBI as a whole.
I have to say, Chris Snee has been a terrible player for the last few seasons, but as a fan, I have a lot of trouble hating him, wishing for him to be cut or calling him names.
I think a lot of people don't appreciate what it means to have a All Pro offensive lineman. They don't come around too often, they rarely play at that level for a long time, and it's even rarer to have a player of that caliber AND win two Superbowls during his tenure.
Think about it - Snee is a 3-time All-Pro and a 4-time Pro Bowler with two Superbowl rings. He's probably the single most decorated offensive lineman in the NFL of the past decade. And now that age is finally starting to catch up with him, after a decade of battling 350 lb. roided up monsters and protecting our franchise QB, some fans feel the need to call him names, root for him to be injured or outright cut from the team.
You want to talk about consistency? How about this:
Year G GS
2004 11 11
2005 16 16
2006 16 16
2007 16 16
2008 16 16
2009 16 16
2010 16 16
2011 15 15
2012 16 16
That's right, prior to this season, the guy has missed ONE game in his entire f*cking career. One. And that includes about a dozen more playoff games. He's played through injuries the likes of which few of us can fully understand. His 31 year old body probably feels to him like it's 60 years old or worse (and frankly, that's kinda how old he looks on the field).
Why are fans all about the NOW and fail to acknowledge past contributions? Hasn't Chris Snee earned the money he's making now, considering how little money he was making during his prime? The guy was still on his rookie contract when we won the Superbowl in 2007. What do you guys expect, an All-Pro OL should play for a discount his entire career? Hell yeah I think Coughlin being his FIL has something to do with him still being here. And hell yeah do I think that's fine. I know how I feel about my FIL and I think I know how he feels about me. I'm pretty sure he'd pull for me to make $11M, particularly after I've made him look so fucking good the past 10 years.
I think Chris Snee is the best offensive lineman that my favorite team has ever had in my lifetime. As a comparison, consider some of the other notable offensive linemen who have played for the Giants in the past 30 years:
1. Jumbo Elliot - 1 Pro Bowl, 0 All Pro, 1 ring
2. Bart Oates - 5 Pro Bowls, 0 All Pro, 3 rings (1 with SF)
3. Ron Stone - 3 Pro Bowls, 2 All Pro, 2 rings (both with DAL)
3. Luke Petitgout - 0 Pro Bowls, 0 All Pro, 0 rings
Comparatively, Snee has had a stellar career - better than everyone you've ever seen wear a Giants uniform, in all likelihood. And I think he has earned every dollar of his past and current contracts. I like that my team is loyal to guys like Snee because it makes other guys like Snee want to come here and play for us.
Some of you ingrates need to STFU and remember that your team can't be great every season. There are ups and downs. Players will be good and then they will suck. Players who suck can sometimes become good. And players who are good or who suck can sometimes become just OK (thank you, Rosie Perez). It's football, not Madden, where you are accustomed to beating the computer 58-21 every game because you set the computer resistance level to the point where you're better than the computer by just enough to make it fun.
This is football. This is real life. Chris Snee is a future HOFer. Appreciate him for what he was, not for what he is now. The guy has earned our respect and your damn straight he's earned his money.
loyalty is why Chris Snee is still here and it's why the future Snees of this world will want to come here. and loyalty is a big reason why we have 2 rings since 2007.
that is crazy to me. i think he's a first ballot HOFer.
Snee was a rock at Right Guard and always seemed to be in the lineup. His injuries have caught up to him fast though and unfortunately he has become a target for defenses to attack.
This remains to be seen. Brewer/Mosely could prove to be adequate replacements.
It's all about knowing when to hold em and when to fold em....
It doesn't make much sense to continue to pay for past performance. At some point a line must be drawn and a decision in the now must be made.
again, Snee is probably the single most decorated OL in the entire league since he was drafted. and now it's simply "stick a fork in him."
young fans simply don't understand how lucky we were to have had him on our team for 10 years.
So the Defensive lineman are roided up, but not white knight Chris Snee, paragon of virtue? This informs us a lot about your perspective, and not for the better.
You admit yourself that he's cooked - the Giants cannot afford to be a charity, giving starter money to benchwarmers.
what i'm saying is - i view the player's entire career when assessing his contract status, not just his current play. if you view a player as merely a current commodity, then nobody is going to want to play for your franchise. these guys are not stocks. they're people and being part of a team and a franchise means something in this sport.
having Snee on our team in 2013 is the Giants doing the right thing by a player who has done the right thing by them in the past. isn't that the kind of franchise you want to root for?
Snee is the best OL of the past 10 years in the NFL. Diehl isn't even on the top 30 list.
Some go out on top in their prime. Some choose to hang in there as their skills diminish and body hurts.
I hope he's invested wisely and socked those millions away. I hope we can find the next man up.
Its a "what have you done for me lately" game, and all those great performances by coaches and players don't mean anything now.
His play has declined at a rate that nobody would've expected, presumably due to injuries. It's unfortunate for the team, the fans, and Snee personally.
As a fan, I wish him nothing but the best and will have fond memories of him and what he brought to the team. As a fan, I also would propose cutting ties with him if he's unable to recover to a point where he can be a good player again.
Snee lined up every week at RG and played consistently stellar football until his body broke down. Diehl was an integral player at 3 positions and durable as anyone, came to play every week while a level below Snee, still an effective player for a long time until he began to break down.
As for the moronic "blind loyalty" argument; if they had better options they would have played.
If this is the end of it, then I have no problem with the team making the necessary choice so the team continues to progress into the future. These tough decisions must be made in a salary cap league, no way around it.
Snee will still be invited to Thanksgiving dinner at the Coughlin house, but his current and future value is ALL that should be considered by his employer when it comes to his contractual status.
It kills me to see him stumble around out there - he should've retired after this past season, which rumor has it he was considering. But I'll never utter a negative word about him. It's on the coaches to get him out of the lineup if he's not the best option. Same goes for Diehl. And it's on the GM to find better options as these guys decline, which Reese has failed to do.
in real life, when you draft an excellent player, he'll eventually be due a big contract, and if you want to keep him, you have to pay him. and then, he'll get old and his contract will exceed his value, but you can't simply get rid of him because there is no stupid Computer GM to take him off your hands.
Nitro, I bet you're great at Madden.
Don't understand some of the hate he gest on this site - it's his fault he got old and injured?
He gave it everything he had and plays with ailments would cause most on this board to be bed ridden.