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Josh in the City : 10/1/2013 1:50 pm
According to Rock:
Source: Giants' Chris Snee 'can't move,' hip surgery a looming option… via @Newsday

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SanFranGiantsFan : 10/1/2013 1:51 pm : link
Not surprising.

Sorta sucks that that debacle in Carolina might be our last memory of him.
give him a bonus  
Nitro : 10/1/2013 1:51 pm : link
for that pancake block back in 05.
Sammo284 : 10/1/2013 1:53 pm : link
To retire or be cut this offseason. I appreciate all he has done but the decline came quickly here and has had a real impact on the OL.
Hypothetically, what happens if retires today?  
BlueHurricane : 10/1/2013 1:54 pm : link
Any cap relief this year?
you're an idiot nitro. Optimus,if he is forced to retire due to injury  
Victor in CT : 10/1/2013 1:54 pm : link
is the cap situation affected at all?
Nitro : 10/1/2013 1:55 pm : link
catch up
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its important to remember  
fame56 : 10/1/2013 1:56 pm : link
that chris snee was an all pro guard for us who's body gave out on him in the last few years

i wouldnt be surprised if this was the end of his career and i will remember him with the same admiration and accolade I remember rich seubert, sean o'hara, kareem mckenzie, david diehl and the rest of that group from our recent championship seasons

its time for david baas to sit down also and allow the team to assess and develop the young offensive linemen going forward
AcidTest : 10/1/2013 1:58 pm : link
like he's the player going on IR for Hill, not Taylor.

My understanding is that retirement has no affect on the cap, that any remaining prorated part of the player's bonus still affects the cap in the same way. We're still on the hook for the same cap hit. If he was under contract past 2014, we could make him a post June 1 cut, and spread the hit out over two years. But he isn't, so we can't.
man that blows....  
damdevs : 10/1/2013 1:58 pm : link
I hate it for him.
rdt288 : 10/1/2013 2:01 pm : link
missed 1 game in like 10 years. I feel terrible. Another all time Giant but his life after football is more important
If he goes to the IR  
Pete in MD : 10/1/2013 2:04 pm : link
do they sign Herman off of the PS?
Haha Nitro  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 10/1/2013 2:18 pm : link
that made me laugh
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/1/2013 2:22 pm : link
the re-structure look worse unless it was some sort of straight paycut.
if its  
Bradshaw #44 : 10/1/2013 2:23 pm : link
another the hip surgery he needs to retire at the end of the year so he doesn't risk long term issues with his body. He has had an outstanding career for the gmen and that shouldn't be overlooked.
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/1/2013 2:29 pm : link
are some details...
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What would a pay cut do?  
PEEJ : 10/1/2013 2:35 pm : link
This year's salary is already guaranteed. The bonus is already paid. And next year's salary is meaningless since he won't be with the team.
TheShouldersOf : 10/1/2013 2:51 pm : link
Exactly why Kyle Long would have been a far better draft pick
Can't move?  
Giants2012 : 10/1/2013 2:56 pm : link
He couldn't move all preseason and now it's news?
I don't understand why Kyle Long would be a better pick.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/1/2013 2:56 pm : link
So instead of having protection failures at LG-C-RG, you have protection failures at LG-C-RT.

Swapping Pugh for Long is just moving the problem from one position to the other
Why's that? We took Pugh instead  
jcn56 : 10/1/2013 2:57 pm : link
and he's been good thus far, especially in light of the competition faced and the status of the line overall.
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/1/2013 3:05 pm : link
He agreed to reduce his 2013 base salary. OverTheCap says it was in exchange for added signing bonus, which is normally the case. But in rare instances, a player will take a paycut.
Here's A Question For The Coaching Staff  
wonderback : 10/1/2013 3:05 pm : link
If this guy couldn't move (and it's obvious watching him in the Carolina game) why the hell was he on the field. Why weren't the substitutions that were made against Kansas City made the week before? I don't understand the concept of this team putting guys on the field that have some fairly serious physical issues they're dealing with. The guy couldn't play. We could all see it and yet, he remains on the field. Unbelievalble!!
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Snee has torn labrum, bone chips, just like last year (in the other hip). Difference this time is his movement is very restricted. #NYG
who they hell are we? Philadelphia?  
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God, the poor guy is a mess.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/1/2013 3:09 pm : link
japanhead : 10/1/2013 3:14 pm : link
one of my favorite giants of all time. thanks for all of the memories, chris.
wow, not sure you can bring a guy back  
nyynyg : 10/1/2013 3:17 pm : link
with that kind of salary cap hit after two separate hip issues and now another surgery. everyone gives the guy a hard time but it sucks if he may have played his last game for us...
snee is a smart guy  
bc4life : 10/1/2013 3:22 pm : link
I'd be shocked if he tried to play next year.
Wow. Too bad.  
BeerFridge : 10/1/2013 3:25 pm : link
Sounds like that would be really hard to come back from.
Certainly explains his  
Rob in NYC : 10/1/2013 3:27 pm : link
level of play, get healthy Chris.
Hopefully things go well for him  
Sneakers O'toole : 10/1/2013 3:30 pm : link
if not for football, than just for quality of life. Snee has given us his all for years. He's a great Giant.
PEEJ : 10/1/2013 3:32 pm : link
I doubt seriously that the NFLPA would allow Snee to take a pay cut DURING the season, when he's guaranteed the money. Switching the $$ from salary to bonus is basically an accounting move and doesn't affect Snee's overall compensation.
Hopefully he gets the surgery  
jlukes : 10/1/2013 3:33 pm : link
and they can remove the fork from his back while they are in looking at his hip
Get healthy, Chris  
JonC : 10/1/2013 3:35 pm : link
Hope he is not crippled  
section125 : 10/1/2013 3:41 pm : link
for life. I suppose he will be partially anyway from the last labrum. I'll bet he's second guessing coming back this year about now.

Get well Chris.
Guy paid his dues,  
TMS : 10/1/2013 3:42 pm : link
now he is getting his golden parachute. All injuries surgically repaired and he retires with his two rings, his pro honors and memories. Just like O'Hara and Seubert. Wish him well, he was a warrior and deserves all he can get.
Even a 'MIGHT'  
old man : 10/1/2013 3:46 pm : link
and a CAN'T WALK is reason to voluntarily turn in his playbook.
A great Giant, gave all he had, and any other accolades. But he needs to retire NOW for his own sake.
As it is he will be suffering for a long time, no need to make it unbearable.

Thanks Chris.
old man : 10/1/2013 3:47 pm : link

Even worse.
Unfortunate for Chris  
chops : 10/1/2013 3:54 pm : link
and the Giants.
Victor in CT - Snee won't retire in-season  
Optimus-NY : 10/1/2013 3:56 pm : link
The cap situation is set now for the season in all likelihood. The Giants HAD TO make the move they did to gain that cap room for operational expenses.

Now, hypothetically speaking, if Snee retired in-season I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't affect things this year. It's not happening though until the end of the season at the earliest. More, and more, the Snee situation is looking like it'll end the same way that things ended for O'Hara and Seubert after the 2010 season due to injuries to both of those players.
Thanks Optimus. Is it correct to say that there is no cap relief  
Victor in CT : 10/1/2013 4:00 pm : link
granted if a player retires due to injury? A retirement is a retirement, the circumstances do not matter? Just curious.
Thanks CHris for all you've done for the team  
spike : 10/1/2013 4:05 pm : link
but for your sake, please retire, before you have to confine all entire adult life in a wheelchair or a walker
He wins the  
spike : 10/1/2013 4:06 pm : link
BBI trophy for next training camp.
sounds like it may be time for him to walk away  
mfsd : 10/1/2013 4:08 pm : link
while he can still walk. Brutal game, that football. And sad news for one of the best Giants of this era
Snee needs to get his hips fixed ....  
Manny in CA : 10/1/2013 5:08 pm : link
And forget about football. Arthritis is the lurking monster that doesn't rear it's head for a long time, then one day, all of a sudden you can't get out of bed.

I've had two very minor injuries, one 40 years ago (from weight lifting) and the other 15 years ago (basketball hip injury). They would flare up once-in-a-while, but they were mostly a nuisance. Then, a couple of years ago (I'm now 66), they both started hurting (I limped for three months).

I got my weight down and started to exercise more, when I was diagnosed with mild Arthritis of the hip and back. Snee's injuries are a lot more severe, he needs to quit right now.

Baas is probably the same way, pain-wise. Bass can still play at a very high level, but his neck has to be killing him. I remember Superbowl 46; he came out of no-where to dominate Vince Wilfork. I'm thinking he was on massive pain killers, to be able to play.
its a shame for a great player to go out like this  
GiantsFan84 : 10/1/2013 6:03 pm : link
snee is a real warrior out there but his body is just betraying him. its a shame.
You could tell  
Rflairr : 10/1/2013 6:33 pm : link
him and Baas weren't even close to healthy.
i tore my hip back in 1988. i was in pain for 4 years  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 10/1/2013 6:36 pm : link
get well chris
Victor - Regarding your question: it depends on the timing...  
Optimus-NY : 10/1/2013 7:20 pm : link
Thanks Optimus. Is it correct to say that there is no cap relief
Victor in CT : 4:00 pm : link
granted if a player retires due to injury? A retirement is a retirement, the circumstances do not matter? Just curious.

The acceleration of bonus money at the specific stage of he contract when the retirement takes place is the question. It's essentially the same as a player getting cut. I think, but I'm not sure, that if a retirement can be made official after June 1st, and there are two or more years left on the retiring player's deal that the resulting Dead Money can be spread out over two years.
Well that might make TC's decision(team and family)  
Big Blue '56 : 10/1/2013 7:32 pm : link
a whole lot easier
Thank you Optimus.  
Victor in CT : 10/2/2013 7:26 am : link
mrvax : 10/2/2013 9:41 am : link
Coughlin should force Snee to start and force Baas to start again also.
At the risk of sounding like an ingrate  
hudson : 10/2/2013 10:46 am : link
Is this really that bad?

We are 0-4 and likely in a lost season, and if that is the case, I'd like to get as much of a read as possible on our younger guys like Brewer to see if he is a part of the future.
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