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My view on the Giants right now...

VPD72 : 10/1/2013 6:08 pm
This is strictly a personal opinion and for all intents and purposes is a huge rant. Share your feelings as well.

Reese's poor drafting has really hurt the team.

For all the credit Reese gets for putting together the teams that won he deserves most, if not all, the blame for this debacle so far. His drafts have been terrible but everyone turns a blind eye to them. He has had some small success with them but let's not forget the Marvin Austin, Jerrel Jernigan, Mitch Petrus, Matt Dodge, Ramses Barden, Clint Sintim, Travis Beckum and etc. picks in the recent years that were total misses. He also relies too much on patch work players and ignores key positions every year in free agency. LB has been a glaring need for years. OL is weak and has no real strength. Sorry Reese, but your "magic" is fading fast.

There are glaring holes everywhere. The offensive line is weak and old, the DL is old and under achieving, the LB's outside of Paysinger are fringe players that wouldn't be special teamer's else where.

I can't say I don't appreciate what Reese did for us in the beginning of his tenure, but Accorsi was the one who pulled the trigger to land Manning, outside of the first draft class Reese had he has whiffed a lot and his FA signings have been bust as well.

Here's hoping this coming draft he finally addresses serious needs instead of BPA that hasn't really worked out lately.

/rant
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comparisons  
Dylan fan : 10/2/2013 10:13 pm : link
Since the draft doesn't happen in a vacuum & there are 31 other GMs who compete for the same pool of players as Reese, how about if the Reese bashers would bother to provide evidence that Reese is so much worse than a few, several, many or all the other GMs since 2007. Pick them randomly by throwing darts at at their names for all I care but I'll help: start with the Raiders, Lions, Jaguars, Browns, Chiefs, Skins, Bills, Rams & according to the link below, Cowboys, Colts, Saints & Bears. Pick 2 GMs per Reese basher & go through each draft just as you did w/ Reese. I guarantee that NOBODY will do that. Much easier to just say Reese sucks.
5 worst drafting teams since 2008 - ( New Window )
bump  
Dylan fan : 10/4/2013 12:04 am : link
What a shock that not one of the Reese bashers responded to my last post.
Marc Ross and Jerry Reese..  
Big_Score : 10/5/2013 7:26 am : link
work very closely together and many of Reese's drafting decisions reflect Ross' recommendations. Not sure how you would rationalize firing Reese and replacing him with Ross. I personally think Ross will be a good GM for some team, someday, but don't see it happening with the Giants unless Reese falls off a cliff.

As for the other candidates, I asked who would you hire that you would expect to get better results from? That's how decisions like this are made in the real world. If you are making the decision, who would you hire given the options? Which of the up and comers you mentioned have a record that would sway a decision maker to gamble that they will have a better record than Reese on this team? "You never know who is waiting in the wings" means you are willing to wait until (possibly) an unidentified star falls into the pool. But your thread implies you think it needs to happen now or soon. You want it done. If it were your decision, who would you pick at this time?
I may be wrong  
VPD72 : 10/5/2013 5:06 pm : link
But I don't believe I ever outright said that Reese needs to be fired. I complimented him on his early success with the team in 2007.

I also mentioned that hopefully he turns it around this off season, pretty much implying that I don't think he will be let go right now. I do feel that he should say something and address the media/fans one way or another.

Would I be sad to see him go? No. But I do believe he needs to change his whole outlook on the team and change his stance on drafting and FA's at the least if he is still our GM.

Also just because Ross works closely with Reese doesn't mean he will follow step for step what Reese does. This team can still compete with the right pieces in place. We have a QB, we have WR's and we have a very talented albeit raw RB. But if we happen to get a top 5 pick this season we can very easily right the ship and Reese can do a lot to redeem himself this off season.

We are a few players away from being a very good football team again.
I won't bother placing blame ... but one thing is clear ...  
baadbill : 10/5/2013 5:50 pm : link
all my life, even when the Giants were out of contention, I still loved watching every game because there was always some young player(s) that represented the hope of the future ... yet, here I am at age 61 and for the first time in my lifetime, that isn't true ... there simply aren't any young players that excite me ... this team is devoid of young talent that represents the future ... if I was an expansion franchise and granted the opportunity to simply take 53 players from any teams I wanted, there would be zero (make that ZERO) players from the Giants. In fact, if you were going to build ten new teams - top 530 players - there arguably wouldn't be many Giants included (Eli & Cruz). The absence of talent is breathtaking.
baad  
PetesHereNow : 10/5/2013 6:00 pm : link
Do David Wilson, Reuben Randle, and Prince not count?
You are what your record  
oldutican : 10/5/2013 6:11 pm : link
says you are. The Giants are 3-11 over the past 14 games.
It seems apparent they lack talent in several areas. The GM's job is to find and sign talent by whatever means. Yes, the draft and salary cap create parity, so I don't expect the Giants to be near the top every year. But when you fall this far, the GM has to take responsibility, especially since the Giants have what very few bad teams have, a quality QB.
Pete  
baadbill : 10/5/2013 6:12 pm : link
Of the three, Prince is the only one who has shown anything this year ... do I think he represents one of the top 10 corners in the league? Maybe.

Wilson? I don't think Wilson will ever represent one of the top 10 RB in the league. He is never going to be a move the chains guy. IMO, he's a Reggie Busch - not my cup of tea.

Randle has been hyped when Nicks wasn't in camp, but to be honest, the passing game has sucked despite arguably the best trio of WR in Giants history. So, I can't get myself excited by Randle or Nicks at this point.

If those three players are the sum total of what represents the foundation of the future of this team, the future doesn't hold much promise. This team doesn't have a single player who is the best at his position - arguably not a single player who is top 5 at his position.
I'm hesitant to judge anyone offensively  
PetesHereNow : 10/5/2013 6:25 pm : link
when half the time, the defense is on the quarterback or running back nearly right away. When Eli got good pass blocking, Randle had 100+ yards in Dallas on opening night.
Think people are giving up too early on him, because the line is so poor.

Same with Wilson, yes, he fumbled twice vs. Dallas, but since then, he hasn't fumbled at all. He's put up 50-60 yards per game with very limited blocking. I'm not willing to give up on him yet or judge him as not being one to watch yet.

Prince isn't getting any favors done to him by the lack of pass rush either. But he's held up well.

Nobody is as good as they look when winning, and nobody is as bad as they look when losing. A win tomorrow and a Dallas loss and it'll be a different song around here.
Pete  
baadbill : 10/5/2013 7:00 pm : link
I agree entirely. Very difficult to judge anyone when entire team playing so poorly. I loved the Randle pick and I think Nicks/Cruz/Randle is far more "powerful" a trio than Nicks/Cruz/Manningham. In fact, of any young talent on the team, I'd pick Randle and Moore as the two I'd be most excited about. Having said that, by "excitement" I mean "anticipation of possible perennial pro bowl status" - and I just don't see that potential in Randle or Moore (or Prince, although he really is impressing me).

My problem with Wilson has nothing to do with his fumbling. My immediate impression of him during pre-season last year was that he is a "home run hitter" that isn't going to consistently move the chains. Imagine two RB who both rush for 100 yards with 20 carries. RB-A has two 50 yard TD runs and 18 rushes of zero yards. RB-B has 20 rushes of exactly 5 yards a rush. Which do I want? RB-B, and it isn't even close. I think Wilson is RB-A.

Bottom line is that I just don't see any premier talent on this team. If I were building a franchise for 2014, I don't believe I would be interested in a single Giants player. Not one.
tomorrow will be interesting..  
Rsspro : 10/5/2013 7:21 pm : link
if this team plays well.. and beats the Eagles..

and the Cowboys lose to the Broncos like I fully expect them to..

optimism will flow through BBI.. as most will realize we are only 1 game out of 1st place despite starting o-4..
Rsspro  
baadbill : 10/5/2013 7:41 pm : link
Two problems with that. First, the Giants would have to win - something pretty difficult to imagine based upon the team that has shown up the first four games.

Secondly, being one game out of first place tomorrow night would merely be a reflection of the other three teams in the NFC East. It wouldn't mean the 2013 Giants are suddenly good and going to be relevant this year.
baadbill..  
Rsspro : 10/5/2013 9:15 pm : link
I wasn't stating it as a sign of the Giants being a good NFL team right now.. to be honest it definitely seem like right now our division is the NFC Least..

however I do think the Bronco's will beat the Cowboys..

and the Eagles are not a good team.. not to say we are either.. we haven't been.. to be honest we looked best week 1 when we turned the ball over 6 times and almost won..

but as I stated.. if the Giants happen to play well. and if they happen to beat this Eagles team..

I think we will see a lot of optimism starting when people realize we're only 1 back..

I'm not saying yet that will amount to anything for the 2013 season.. just that it would probably change the overall attitude on BBI.. even if only momentary..
baad  
PetesHereNow : 10/6/2013 12:48 pm : link
Agreed that Wilson is a home run hitter type back, but he can grind out yards if he gets even a little crease. I believe I saw something where he's averaging 4.1 per rush inside the tackles, and under 1.5 outside the tackles, which means that to me, our TEs (Myers and Pascoe) are not setting the edges consistently. I think Myers and Pascoe are two of our bigger disappointments from a blocking standpoint.
Pete  
baadbill : 10/6/2013 1:27 pm : link
I don't know the stats, but I suspect the Giants running game has been better inside the tackles ever since Barber left... however, I think it's hard to evaluate that this year when the running game as a whole has sucked wind...

As for Wilson's ability to grind it out, I'd love to see that, but I think that was going to be Brown's role. I wish they kept "median" stats in addition to average. I think it would be a very telling statistic.
And another meltdown  
VPD72 : 10/6/2013 4:48 pm : link
Another game of giving up 35+ points.

I can't remember the last time the Giants looked this lost and inept. Foles had a ton of time to throw, no pressure again. Offense stalled a lot after the first drive.

WTF was that call to accept the holding call and make it 3rd down instead of 4th? They got 3 points out of it although it wasn't a deciding factor in the game.

With Randle looking like a potential stud I think it is time to sell high on Nicks and get a 2nd rounder or something valuable in return. He isn't going to be resigned and this team isn't going anywhere this season. Be like the Browns and get what you can to rebuild the team. Find a team that needs a quality 1 or a very complimentary #2 and get something for him now.

0-5 and 0-2 in the division with a tough schedule and a visit to Chicago on a short week. I hate the fact the season ended so early.
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