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Now that Scott is gone

blueblood'11 : 10/2/2013 6:53 am
Does anyone think we may get to see some of Michael Cox run the ball? Or just more of Jacobs. Or have the Giants said to hell with it and take the good with the bad and just leave Wilson in there and see how it pans out.

If so he will have to take a break once in awhile. I would love to see this kid Cox get his hands on the ball and see what he can do. A lot had been made about his abilities and he is a very intelligent young man who I would think understands what is expected of him.

You almost have to believe he will log some playing time. I guess we will find out sooner or later. With only three running backs his chances sure have gotten better that we just may get a dose or two of the rookie.
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Can't hurt to give him a few touches...  
bradshaw44 : 10/2/2013 7:48 am : link
Maybe he turns out to be a gamer like brown. Took us cutting him several times before he got his shot.
We don't want Cox  
Beer Man : 10/2/2013 7:54 am : link
to get sore from overusage.
They loved brown  
mattlawson : 10/2/2013 7:56 am : link
He got injured is all. Bounced around. Now here he is. He showed last year why they stuck by him. He should have a ton to prove
I don't mind seeing Jacobs, but  
barens : 10/2/2013 8:07 am : link
What drives me crazy is when they constantly switch running backs throughout the game. Maybe it would make zero difference, but for the longest time, the Giants would stick with 1 running back per drive.

Now, it was first down with Wilson, 2nd down with Jacobs, and third down with Scott. Obviously, Scott isn't here anymore, so that should change.
Barens, I presume  
Jimmy Googs : 10/2/2013 8:19 am : link
they keep changing up because the coaches feel that they don't have one guy who is good at all the things they want a RB to do. Additionally, I think they are still nervous have Wilson in there too much (fumbles, pass blocking) in certain areas of the field.
I'd  
AcidTest : 10/2/2013 8:19 am : link
be surprised if Cox got any carries, even before Brown returns. My guess is that they don't trust him in pass protection. They don't trust Wilson, and he's in his second year. Cox is for special teams only.
You need Cox to fill out the roster  
jcn56 : 10/2/2013 8:27 am : link
This seems like a move intended to force the team to rely on Wilson more, sink or swim. This way, they know whether he's part of the solution going forward, or part of the problem.

You'll probably get a steady dose of Wilson with Jacobs mixed in here and there, and towards the end of the year based on development maybe even get some Cox.

And that's what you're looking forward to, after a potential losing season, getting Cox in the end.

(at least there was no reference to him hitting his gaps)
Coaches should be giving Cox some touches  
Jimmy Googs : 10/2/2013 8:29 am : link
Jacobs is exactly what we all should have expected at this point, a veteran that is big enough to run over someone from time to time, but with minimal speed/moves is likely just going to get tackled close to LOS.

In all my years, i have never heard of an offense being so restricted because of poor RB pass blocking. While I don't deny it is part of the game that you would like to have covered, it shouldn't put us in "crisis lock-down" mode every game. Wilson needs to just play already.
No.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 10/2/2013 8:46 am : link
The coaches should be giving Wilson more touches. More screen passes, swing passes, checkdowns.

I'm ready to see DW to carry the load. No more Jacobs, no Cox.

Give BJac 3-4 carries and use him  
mrvax : 10/2/2013 9:24 am : link
to spell Wilson for a few plays when the kid is winded. You brought him, so f'ing use him!
Michael Cox  
Chip : 10/2/2013 9:30 am : link
He was a backup at Michigan and played his senior season at U Mass and averaged less than 60 yds per game. He is not a NFL back. He is a smart kid graduating from michigan and took graduate courses at U Mass. I dont see this kid doing much.
More of Wilson now that Conner blocking for him?  
nh_giants : 10/2/2013 9:56 am : link
I am glad they are looking like they are finally going with Wilson full time. I didn't understand why Scott was getting so many touches in the first place. I wonder how much of this has to do with John Conner now being there to block for Wilson and pick up on some of the blocking that Wilson would otherwise have to do?
I'd like tto see more Wilson as much as the rest  
nicky43 : 10/2/2013 9:56 am : link
but the problem is that our biggest need now to get any play working is blocking at the line and Wilson is not good at that. Let's not forget the Defenses are getting to Wilson the same time he is getting the ball. Not a good set up for Wilson to get in some space.

When we ever do get some good run blocking from the line, it will be fun to watch Wilson.
Cox is now 3rd string, he'll be 4th string when AB returns  
JonC : 10/2/2013 9:58 am : link
I wouldn't expect Cox to see a great deal of reps in the offensive sets.
One other thing....  
nh_giants : 10/2/2013 9:59 am : link
I know this is partly because of injuries (ok, a lot of it is because of injuries) but this scrambling for players mid-season sure doesn't say much for how Reese has stocked this team. This is the biggest mess I can remember going back to the dark days of Giants football in the 1970s. Anyone out there old enough to remember those days, like I am? I wasn't pretty!!
Reps should now go to DW  
JonC : 10/2/2013 10:00 am : link
and this could be Reese's way of forcing this to occur.
watch Coughlin and Gilbride run Jacobs 15 times Sunday  
islander1 : 10/2/2013 10:08 am : link
stubborn as they are.
it could be fear of him failing  
JonC : 10/2/2013 10:23 am : link
as much as being stubborn.

It's on DW to make shit happen, earn the reps.
I hope the coaches let Wilson run the ball.  
Ace718 : 10/2/2013 10:26 am : link
Let him get into some sort of a rhythm.
JonC fair point  
islander1 : 10/2/2013 10:35 am : link
but he's not set up to succeed with this line. The fact they favored Scott at times, I mean do they seriously think that little of Wilson despite Wilson being a clearly superior back?

I'm just flummoxed at how little the staff seems to value Wilson. I don't really know what to make of it.
Coaches want the young player to prove himself  
JonC : 10/2/2013 10:46 am : link
it's on DW to do this: prove he knows his assignments running, receiving, pass pro, and do all without fumbling or blowing a chip block that gets Eli cracked, etc.

Our staff does seem to panic and lose confidence in him when he fumbles, but it can be the difference in a win or loss, and a coach losing his job as a result of a poor season.

That said, I'd rather sink or swim with DW, myself, without a doubt. The OL is a problem they might not be able to do much with on the fly, etc.
'It's on DW to make shit happen, earn the reps.'  
schabadoo : 10/2/2013 11:05 am : link
Not really. What Scott do to earn reps? That screen pass against Dallas should've put him on the bench, or a number of other mishaps.
Reps are earned in practice, first  
JonC : 10/2/2013 11:09 am : link
Scott must have either been earning the reps, or making fewer mistakes than DW.
Sure, but the reps "earned" could be a failure on the staff  
Kyle : 10/2/2013 11:10 am : link
for improperly evaluating how said reps were earned.
Wilson now has a clear path to the Hall Of Fame  
ghost718 : 10/2/2013 11:11 am : link
That Da'Rell Scott,he was a tough one
Kyle  
JonC : 10/2/2013 11:13 am : link
Of course. My point is always to say that players simply don't get to play in games because they're on the roster.
Jon, certainly true enough  
Kyle : 10/2/2013 11:15 am : link
.
..  
TheShouldersOf : 10/2/2013 11:49 am : link
Why would you want to see more Cox?

Why would you not want to see more Wilson
Listening to Coughlin presser today shows this is not far fetched  
BlueHurricane : 10/2/2013 12:09 pm : link
Quote:
watch Coughlin and Gilbride run Jacobs 15 times Sunday
islander1 : 10:08 am : link
stubborn as they are.
Pretty apparent what happened  
HomerJones45 : 10/2/2013 12:20 pm : link
They have enough confidence in Wilson, who had struggled with responsibilities in the passing game, to handle passing downs, that Scott became superfluous. It would be one thing if Scott was getting it done, but you have a thin margin of error when you are the 3rd string back and fuck up multiple times.

Only on BBI would some silly Machiavellian conspiracy theory that Reese cut Scott to "force" the coaching staff to play Wilson make a lick of sense.
I'm glad this was put to rest  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/2/2013 12:23 pm : link
Scott was arguably a bigger fuck up than wilson with a fraction of the ability.

Two drops and a fumbled handoff. Ugh.
Gene  
JonC : 10/2/2013 12:23 pm : link
you're embellishing the position, and it's something that does occur in pro football.

further, I've been pretty clear  
JonC : 10/2/2013 12:24 pm : link
in what most likely has occurred.
jacobs shown nothing  
giantfanboy : 10/2/2013 12:31 pm : link
he has 11 touches in 3 games?
how in the world can you make any judgement on that few carries?

Homer  
BlueHurricane : 10/2/2013 12:44 pm : link
Do you even listen to the press conferences? If you did you would know your statement about them gaining confidence in Wilson is false. It now sounds as if Jacobs workload will increase not Wilson. Hell even the wFAN updates today have been saying Jacobs role is going to increase.

And I will ask again, do you think it is that far fetched that a GM could get frustrated with his HC's decision to play a 7th round scrub over his 1st rd pick and at the first opportunity to cut that player takes it? There were a few other candidates to get axed too other than guy who has had of ton of plays on the field so far this season. Scott went from playing a ton (more than Jacobs) to off the team. Based on number of plays and ST usage Jacobs was a better candidate to get cut.
I will always love and respect Jacobs  
Les in TO : 10/2/2013 1:22 pm : link
for his important tone-setting and productive contributions to two super bowl teams. However, there is a reason he was sitting at home watching breaking bad when the giants called him and a reason he barely dressed in San francisco last year (and it's not because he became a granola munching hippie at Berkeley in his off-days).

If he is going to get an abundance of carries simply because he is a veteran and knows the offense in lieu of riding the much higher potential and explosive Wilson and letting him learn on the job, that Coughlin is not acting in the best interests of the team. It's like the love of Diehl - a guy who cannot play at a pro level anymore, but seems to have earned a lifetime pass.

Jacobs does not have the explosiveness, power, speed or even nastiness he did in 2011 which was even significantly less than what he had in 2008. he scares no one with speed or power anymore.
Homer, just stop already  
islander1 : 10/2/2013 1:55 pm : link
the Giants just released one of only three game capable backs, and I use that term incredibly loosely.

- Cox has no businesss being on an NFL field, especially given our system.
- Jacobs is now our serious #2 in a two (not three) back system, a retread that no one else wanted, including us, until epic levels of desperation kicked in.
- Andre Brown on IR til week 9 with a laundry list history of injuries.

If David Wilson gets injured, this team's even more wrecked then it already is.

As big a screwup as Scott is, Coughlin still kept using him despite making as many mistakes as Wilson in like, half the time/plays.
As big a screwup Scott is, there had to be another position with more 'depth' we could ditch a player from then one of our only 3 NFL capable running backs.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if this team is (ever so slowly) coming apart at the seams internally at this point, simply from both GM and coaching staff trying desperately to stop this team's playoff lives from bleeding to death.
Keep Wilson on the field on every down...  
Vinny from Danbury : 10/2/2013 1:59 pm : link
unless he needs a breather. The kid needs reps. Other than Special Teams, there is no need for Cox to be on the field.
the fact  
BigBlueCane : 10/2/2013 2:19 pm : link
they have this level of confidence in Wilson speaks volumes about how good a selection he was or a fit he was.
.  
arcarsenal : 10/2/2013 2:24 pm : link
Sometimes I feel like half of this fucking board is rooting for David Wilson to fail.
arc  
HomerJones45 : 10/2/2013 2:41 pm : link
what makes you say that?
Yeah, Blue, I read the transcript  
HomerJones45 : 10/2/2013 2:48 pm : link
here it is:
[quote]
Q: You took DaRel Scott off the roster, does that mean that you have confidence that Jacobs and Michael Cox can handle more?

A: Well, certainly Jacobs can get more. Michael Cox has to learn everything, hes been used more on special teams than anything else. But yeah, those two, and in terms of blocking, the same combination of tight ends that weve always used.

Q: So what have you seen from Brandon? He hasnt had a lot of opportunities.

A: He did have a nice run the other day. When called upon, I think hes still a powerful guy that were going to utilize in those short-yardage and goal line situations. I wish we had more of them. But hes had a couple weeks to get himself orientated again back into the routine, etcetera, etcetera. He actually has played on a lot of special teams and contributed a week ago.[\quote]
That's it. From that, you conclude that Wilson will spend a lot of time on the bench. Is English your second language?
Don't feed the Cox  
giantgiantfan : 10/2/2013 2:54 pm : link
gotta give the rock to Wilson at least 20 times. Lets see if he can break one.
Cox needs the reps  
bc4life : 10/2/2013 3:25 pm : link
not a lot but you don't want wait till you have to put him in there to see what he can do.

Coughlin has to walk a fine line here. If he plays too many  
The Duke : 10/2/2013 3:30 pm : link
young players just to "see what they can do" he will be sending a message to the veterans that he has essentially given up on the season and that would be a disaster. Right now the Vets are still working hard trying to change things and make something positive happen, as a coach you never want to lose their support, that would be career suicide for a coach.
"Right now the Vets are still working hard trying to change things"  
ed90631 : 10/2/2013 6:32 pm : link
It hasn't shown the past two weeks, what with them losing going away by large margins.

If TC goes with the younger guys he'll get a pat on the back for facing reality.

Let's face it, the teams that go 0-4 in their first four games aren't the teams that go 12-0 to finish and win the superbowl. 4-12 is more likely. 2003 redux.
It hasn't shown?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/2/2013 6:59 pm : link
Last week was a game until the final 6 minutes.

The defense, full of veterans, played pretty damn well forcing a 3-0 team that does not turn the ball over into 3 turnovers and holding them to 10 points for about 3 quarters.

They lost. It's not the same as not trying and not fighting. Of course it's shown.
Cox will get touches  
imloungin : 10/2/2013 10:01 pm : link
David Wilson is by far our most explosive option and deserves most of the snaps, but Cox has the potential to be the best all around back currently on the roster.

I'm guessing he'll see about 7-8 snaps, maybe a couple of carries. That's assuming he doesn't miss his blocking assignment on his first play of course.


arc - for the record I'm a big fan of Wilson  
islander1 : 10/2/2013 10:16 pm : link
he's not been given a reasonable chance, for whatever reason.

I still think dropping Scott is extremely dangerous from a depth standpoint, thus my point about us being absolutely wrecked if he goes down.
Homer  
BlueHurricane : 10/2/2013 10:32 pm : link
How much do you want to bet that Jacobs touched increase significantly this week while Wilson's rise slightly if at all? (and I for one wish Wilson was used more like a Doug Martin or a Ray Rice)

As I said yesterday I really wish these conversations took place at a tailgate or a bar instead of behind a keyboard and monitor. I would highly doubt your little snide comments from the past two days would be coming out of your mouth as they are your fingers. I try to interact with everyone here as if they are sitting right in front of me and I suggest you do the same. Many hear have said this is your M.O. and now I am beginning to see why.
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