Myers' 2012 stats while his team is trailing by 9 pts or more in the 4th quarter...
3 TDs ---------- (1st in NFL)
312 Yards ------ (2nd in NFL)
29 Catches ------ (1st in NFL)
34 Targets ------- (1st in NFL)
85.3 Catch% ----- (2nd in NFL w/ 15+ targets)
Those aren't his ranks among TEs, those are his ranks overall compared to every receiver in the league. In games where the team was down by 2 scores in the 4th quarter last season, Myers had THE BEST STATS IN THE NFL. Only Calvin Johnson has an argument over him in these situations. Myers put up huge numbers in these late game situations where his team was trailing by multiple scores.
That's what he did the rest of the time, every other situation besides "down 2 scores in the 4th". He goes from "Best receiver in the NFL" during stat padding situations to "mediocre" the rest of the time.
When we signed Brandon Myers I expected the poor blocking but I also was fascinated with seeing Eli get to throw to a TE who caught 79 passes the previous year and seemed to know how to get open. But based on what we've seen so far and his 2012 compiling, Myers' 79 catches in 2012 do not match his true talent level as a receiver at all.
Poor blocker + Good receiver is acceptable
Poor blocker + Mediocre receiver is not acceptable
Right now, Myers looks like a mediocre receiver. Which kills his value for this team since he can't block either. Hopefully him and Eli get on the same page but I don't see it with Myers, hope I'm wrong though.
At least he can block a lot better than Myers and Pascoe.
is that stepping into the offense for the first time can be a challenge for a lot of players. He was not asked to do things in the Raider offense that we do here. A sight-adjustment passing game isn't what he was playing in out west.
Bennett managed to get it quickly, but Ballard was in the system for a year before playing. Louis Murphy hasn't done anything yet. Randle needed about 14 games before getting a chance to play. Cruz had trouble with it too.
is this offense right now cant even pad the stats when they're down 3 TDs.
having unfrozen caveman coordinator doesn't help
but myers has had a couple of drops not to mention tripping over his own two feet.
not impressed, and good post on the garbage-time weighted stats.
Last season I picked him up in fantasy and noticed this pattern where he was putting up crazy numbers when the Raiders were down big late and were throwing on every down.
The numbers were in fact, inflated.
took place late in games in which the Raiders were trailing, the rankings compared to other players isn't really useful without knowing how many snaps they were getting compared to him in similar circumstances. Obviously players on good or even average teams aren't going to have the same opportunity to post the same counting numbers as he did in garbage time if they're not in garbage time to begin with.
than the fact that so much of his production comes in these situations, for the reasons you said. But it's still interesting to see the rankings because it helps show even more support for the argument that Myers had a tremendous amount of garbage time stat padding.
Garbage time stats are easy to get, especially when you're a TE compiling short catches when the defense is guarding the big play (Myers' YPC shows he was compiling short catches). That's the main point. Myers lived off of these easy situations and his stats look a lot better than they should be.
and the objective of the Giants offense when it's not broken, you'd think those easy catches would be there for him.
If the passing game wasn't crippled, he'd probably be better.
Myers has been a terrible signing. He's done absolutely nothing in terms of receiving & my 82 year old grandmother could block better than him.
catching dump offs from a running for his life Palmer since they signed him. And since it's always garbage time in Oakland he got plenty of chances. He flat out stinks.
is struggling. When the receivers and Eli eventually get in a groove, Myers should be able to capitalize.
But he just doesn't look like anything special at TE. And his receiving skills don't look good enough to make up for his poor blocking. I know this Giants offense is different with the option routes and it could take time to get used to it, but a lot of the mistakes Myers is making are physical like drops.
And now? I'm even WAY more pissed. We hosed ourselves by making completely sure we had sub-par blocking at every position aside from the OL (and we did a great job of fucking that up too). Hynoski's injury is just adding insult to injury. Literally.
Our 4th round TE?
Other notable 4th round TE'S of recent years: Jordan Cameron, Julius Thomas, and the murderer in NE
we weren't losing enough yet and it was only the second quarter.
but suppose keeping Bennett meant losing out on Cruz?
Nobody here would support that.
Too soft for the TE position.
in order to fit it under the cap. Not sure he's worth that anyway. A good, but not great player.
If he pads his stats when the team is down big - he should have record breaking numbers so far this year.
Was anyone really expecting him to come in and catch 80 passes in this O? The fact that he was still available in FA and at that price goes to show he wasn't thought of as an 80 catch TE by anyone around the league.
I think the problem with the Bennett contract wasn't last offseason, but in his original contract with the Giants. Should have had an additional year at a favorable price to the Gmen. He finally has a good QB throwing to him and his stats look great. Then he grabs a big payday with another team.
And that was not the first time Reese has made a mistake on a 1 year contract.
did you notice him?
Reese knew exactly what we needed!
Robinson and Donnell may or may not pan out. Either way, they are ultimately the important TEs on this team, not the veteran stopgaps (Myers and Pascoe).
I noticed he was getting bent over and knocked back on every run play like Myers.
Myers is overmatched physically. I have no idea what the Tarzan comment was about. He's short. Short armed. Weak. Lacks explosion and power. He looks like Jane and plays like Jane. The "Will Demps Of TEs".
Remember the 3rd and 1 last week? Donnell was out there next to Myers. Donnell gets the job done. Myers is dominated and his guy makes the tackle for no gain.
The week before? Same thing. Jacobs to the outside. Donnell handles the LB. Myers gets dominated by CB Florence. The CB pushed him around. Controlled him. Tossed him. And made the tackle.
It's the same story every week. As a blocker, Myers is much worse than poor. He's a major liability.
Donnell showed much more in his limited time. He out there competing. He's blocking.
It's time. They need to make the change to Donnell full time. Send Myers to the bench. Donnell should start.
The pass catching? Who cares. Just leave Donnell in to help and then let him release. This is what the BEars are doing right now with Bennett. He's pass blocking a lot. Notice anything different with that Bears O? Fewer hits on the QB!
Myers isn't the first Giants player who has been accused of padding stats in the 4th quarter during the hurry up offense while the other team is in prevent defense.
did the same for the Raiders? That's the point being made there, his history is being a stat padder.
KWALL - I was trying to be kind. Looks like a TE (somewhat), plays like a WR (and not a particularly tough one).
for this Coughbride Giants offensive scheme. Based on the emphasis we place on our WRs and how much help our OL needs to protect Eli.
1-10 scale, let's say blocking = receiving
If Myers is a "3" blocker, he needs to be a "7" receiver to be an average TE. I think in 2012, this was roughly where he was at. But he didn't need to be as strong a blocker for Oakland.
Through 4 games in 2013, he's been a "2" blocker and a "3" receiver. He should improve as a receiver but by how much?
Right now he's terrible, I hope he gets it going soon but I don't think he has the receiving ability necessary to make up for his poor blocking in this offense.
Stat pad because their team trails more frequently than average.
that it's easier to accumulate stats in garbage time. And when a significant portion of a player's statistical value came in this situation, it's fair to express how his impact does not measure up to his numbers.
They would notice these things
be a force on a good team. He blows.
a bad team and he's new, let's cut him
he doesn't call the plays in the fourth quarter, he doesn't decide who to cover in the prevent defense and he isn't the one throwing the ball.
The cliche "the game was not as close as the score would indicate" stems from the use of the prevent.
It doesn't speak well for Jerry Reese if this guy's stats are primarily from garbage time.