Name a Defensive Player Under Fewell Who Has Overachieved

Dick LeBeaus definitely grow on trees. In fact, there's one hanging off a tree right outside my window. I'll ship him to the Giants pronto. Should I use FedEx or UPS?

That's fair. We don't an exact DL, though he is my favorite DC. I want younger coordinators who are aggressive especially on D side of things. Again for me it's simply, make TC do it or else fire him. It makes it easier if our record is really shitty. I guess the realistic question is do we expect Mara to fire Coughlin has a plan or keep him and make him fire his coordinators?

Mara went out of his way in the SB speech to say that he stuck to his guns and didn't listen to the countless letters about Coughlin. So now after 1 really, really shitty do we expect him to fire him? I don't expect that.

Either way, it will be interesting this offseason especially if we have a shit show of a year.

Jlukes - who are the no names on the Bengals defense that have "become household names?"

Burfict is a fair answer, but outside of that the Bengals defense is full of high round draft picks (Atkins, Dunlap, Johnson, Hall, Mauluga), and FA's that were high round picks from other teams (Newman, Jones).

Who were you referring to?

Geno Atkins is a great 4th rounder. You're correct on everyone else. They seem to hit on a lot of 1st-3rd rounders. It's amazing how many of those they have and hit on. Eventually if you suck often you will get a crack on good players.

We, on the other hand, have our share of swing and misses. Factor in raw mid round developmental guys, degradation and age to certain spots, and that accounts to our situation.

Fair enough (on Atkins).

It is interesting how the teams that were bad for so many years (SF, Sea, Cin, KC) are now so loaded with talent due to great drafting, and some good fortune.

We can suck for 3-5 years to get top 10 or even top 5 picks and rack up blue chip talent. KC had a lot of blue chip guys. A bunch of DTs, DE, Berry, Albert, and Tamba. Eventually shit will click if you're getting a crack a top guys. If we got top picks for 3-5 years AND good coaches we'd be set too.

We rose quickly because of Eli, and Reese being the Director of College scouting. Eli is accorsi's guy, but Snee, and everyone else to the 2007 draft is Reese. 2008 on was the tenure of Ross.

This has been proven many a time by BBI.

I wouldn't want the guy to coach Pop Warner.

We need to hire that Browns DC or Spags. Pronto.

then ross needs to leave with the coordinators.

What a shock that crappy teams who have GMs with at least half a brain do well picking top 10 1st rounders & 2nd & 3rd rounders a few picks after the top teams' 1st & 2nd rounders many years in a row. If a team blows for 4 years, that's a 12 player advantage over a team that was good those 4 years. The many morons on this board seem to fail to take that into account when bashing Reese. Luck definitely has something to do with that as well. It's unlucky that Sintim, Austin, Chad Jones, Barden, Prince were injured a bunch their 1st &/or 2nd seasons (Sintim, Austin & Barden might have sucked regardless), whereas it seems several teams like the 49ers didn't have any such players.

I'd love to see what an absolute shitshow the Giants would be if it were somehow managed & coached completely by BBI collectively. I doubt the Giants would ever win a game.

The irony is I am sure some team would hire him as a GM. I would love to see Reese pull double duty again. Let him be GM AND Director of College Scouting. Meaning he does the work in a general capacity, but he creates the draft board and centralizes the scouting reports from the different regional scouts.

2007 was a great draft. I am very curious to see if he can do that again or even just have a good draft. I want to see him pull double duty again.

Are people who do better than what is expected. If you mean hall of gamer then that's a different story. Who expected Mundy to play as well as he has? I sure didn't. I didn't expect Brown to get almost 1 INT per game last season. I didn't expect a project DE like JPP to come into the league and be a force of nature, regardless of his spot in the draft. Who knew Kiwi was going to be a Swiss Army knife? Blackburn is a baller. The fact people still underestimate him makes him an overachiever for his performance in SB46 alone. It's not the D. It's the O. Get the O right and the D probably won't give up more than 14 in a game. Gotta give them time to rest. They've played 8 games worth of defense in 4 weeks. The Offense has played about 2.