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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/3/2013 12:12 pm
FYI.
Jerry Reese needs to answer for the Giants' 0-4 start - ( New Window )
I don't want Reese to be a medis whore like Jerry Jones  
Jints in Carolina : 10/3/2013 12:13 pm : link
He can wait until after the season to answer questions.
media*  
Jints in Carolina : 10/3/2013 12:13 pm : link
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I agree  
downinfront : 10/3/2013 12:14 pm : link
with the article. He needs to stop hiding and answer some tough questions.
What is he going to say?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/3/2013 12:18 pm : link
Does the media want him to step up to the podium and issue an apology?

They're 0-4 with obvious flaws. There's nothing to be said. This article complains that talk is cheap and at the same time gripes that there's one more person that hasn't spoken out.
I don't need Reese to answer questions or say "I'm sorry"  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 10/3/2013 12:18 pm : link
I just want him to get back to drafting and signing sound football players this offseason.
Yeah, its a little late now.  
Curtis in VA : 10/3/2013 12:19 pm : link
There's nothing he can do to fix it. He can address it after the seasons over and we're looking at a top 5 draft pick.
Can't  
AcidTest : 10/3/2013 12:27 pm : link
fix it now. Draft better. No more projects, i.e. athletes with "upside" who might turn into football players. These are "high ceiling" but "low floor" guys. No more. Draft proven football players, even if they are a little less athletic. "Lower ceiling" but "higher floor" is better.
TTH nailed it  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/3/2013 12:28 pm : link
The guy was just shitting on Rolle, Cruz, and Eli for talking and then turns right around and says that Reese should be talking next. Poorly written article.
Everything is always so extreme on here.  
vibe4giants : 10/3/2013 12:34 pm : link
No one, including the author article, wants JR to become Jerry Jones. So that straw man aside, is it really so unreasonable to ask that Reese answer a few questions? As one would expect from anyone running an operation that is dramatically underperforming? Especially in what is a very unusual circumstance for the team and one it hasn't dealt with since he's been there. The players and the coaches don't get a pass.

It would be interesting to at least hear what his thought process was. Ideally, he would rather not? Sure. But it's not an ideal situation on any level.
And players talking is not the same as management talking.  
vibe4giants : 10/3/2013 12:38 pm : link
False equivalency. The article is addressing how the players have to, day after day, week after week, come up with something to say. And, yes, it's usually just babble.

But the GM can just choose to remain silent and hide behind an inconsistent 'policy'. When he's one guy it might actually be interesting to hear from.
What is he going to say  
AnnapolisMike : 10/3/2013 12:40 pm : link
"yeah, the linebackers and oline is not any good?" All he would accomplish is to undermine the players he brought in and is counting on to play better. When the season is over he can address what happened.
. . . .and while he's at it  
eclipz928 : 10/3/2013 12:45 pm : link
I guess he should also answer for all of those Giants' 6-2 starts as well.
I posted this on last week's thread where some guy demanded that  
T-Bone : 10/3/2013 12:46 pm : link
Reese needs to answer for this 0-4 start. Figure I might as well copy and paste it here:

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What I don't get is this...
T-Bone : 10/1/2013 11:10 am : link
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New York Giants general manager Jerry Reese continues to decline interview requests through the team's media relations department. The Giants insist they are not the sort of franchise whose ownership and management-level leaders hold running commentary about the season, and their 0-4 start is not going to make them be who they are not. That's fine. I can respect that.I disagree, because I think it would constitute a public show of leadership and support if Reese and/or John Mara were to talk publicly at the end of this September. But that's their way of doing business, and you have to stay true to yourself. All good. Long as they don't mind if I keep asking.


Why should they go against being what they've ALWAYS been doing 4 games into a season because the team is 0-4? Was he looking for this 'public show of leadership and support' when they Giants were starting off 4-0 or 3-1? So because they've lost their first 4 games NOW it's important for Reese and Mara/Tisch to hold a press conference a la Jerry Jones?

The point is, Mr. Graziano, Reese and upper management could care less what you write and what are your feelings as to the 'mistakes' they've made (which you're able to point out with the benefit of hindsight whether you want to admit it or not). How about the next time the Giants start off 3-1 or better you then write an article demanding that Reese stand in front of the firing squad and rap about the wonderful job he's done putting the team together?
As long as  
Arcanum : 10/3/2013 12:46 pm : link
He keeps bringing in guys, to try and solve this mess we have, he doesn't have to say shit to the media. All the media is going to do is, take whatever Reese say, and blow it up.
My bad..  
T-Bone : 10/3/2013 12:47 pm : link
the first paragraph of my post was a quote from Graziano's column about this very same thing last week (or maybe it was earlier this week).
Reese is completely to blame, 100 percent to blame  
oipolloi : 10/3/2013 12:47 pm : link
He has had six years. How could he not know that the Giants core was going to age?

He should have been working on a time machine. Kept those players young. Also, he could have sent the rest of the league back to the 1990s when the Giants' offensive scheme was actually innovative.
I guess  
Mendenhall : 10/3/2013 12:50 pm : link
the Leger is a troll too.
Reese gives a state of the team presser  
Go Terps : 10/3/2013 12:50 pm : link
after each season. That will be the time to answer questions. 4 games into a season is no time to take stock.
If these are the questions:  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/3/2013 12:54 pm : link

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Because there are questions, to say the least. Is he disappointed with the lack of overall depth, especially on the offensive line? Does he regret not upgrading his linebackers despite ample evidence that he should? Did he overestimate the talent here based on that wonderful run at the end of the 2011 season? Was thinking that David Wilson could be an every-down back a miscalculation?


I don't see what good comes of demanding that he step forth and answer.

Just like the players, he's going to speak in non-story sports cliches, and say we all have to do a better job 10 different ways.
It would sound something like this  
Jerry in DC : 10/3/2013 12:58 pm : link
We're disappointed with the first four games, but optimistic that we can turn it around and get back in the playoff race. There are 12 games left in the season and if we start playing the way we know we can play, then we, myself, Coach Coughlin and the rest of the staff, and players, believe that we can play then we'll start winning some ballgames.

We have some young players that are emerging and we feel really good about some of those guys. We have a veteran core that's had tremendous success and has the ability and the mental toughness to weather this storm.

At the end of the season, we'll take stock of where we are as an organization and act accordingly. It's the first week in October and with the recent success that we've had, we won't be making any premature decisions.

(and so on....)
Jerry in DC = Jerry Reese?  
T-Bone : 10/3/2013 1:01 pm : link
Hmmmmmmmm......
The time to answer is at the end of the season  
BeerFridge : 10/3/2013 1:02 pm : link
I don't see how him addressing it now will help anything.

This is what happens though. A core of players wins two super bowls. Then that core gets old and overpaid. Takes some time to rebuild the core.
I think Politi is right  
ghost718 : 10/3/2013 1:07 pm : link
You won't hear that shit too often,but in this case he is.

Makes a good point about Reese giving interviews in previous years,while right now he's probably in the secret bat cave over at the Timex.With nothing but a walkie talkie,loaf of bread,and a jar of peanut butter.
I'm rather indifferent on whether JR answers questions or not  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/3/2013 1:10 pm : link
But that's only because I know he's not going to give any actual insight on his answers. The only problem I have is the article saying "Talk is cheap" but then turns around and says Jerry Reese should talk. I get that players are players and the GM is the GM (duh) so it's apples and oranges, but that "Talk is cheap" mantra is applied from the top to the bottom of the organization.
But it's not applied top to bottom  
vibe4giants : 10/3/2013 1:19 pm : link
because only one guy has the option of not talking. (Duh?)

And I don't expect him to say much about 0-4. There's not much to say. But 0-4 is an exceptional circumstance that might warrant him making an exception to the quasi-policy. And I would be curious about what his thought process was in the off-season., in terms of some of the decisions that got the team here.

He'll either talk or not. And it won't change anyone's life either way. But asking the question as to why he can't be asked any questions right now isn't so unreasonable.
We all know what Reese tried to do....  
Doomster : 10/3/2013 1:20 pm : link
He was trying to skate on thin ice on guys he had paid big money to....

The Giants have not all of a sudden, had cap problems....they have had cap problems for years.....Who is in charge of the cap?.....sometimes hard decisions have to be made.....some of those decisions have resulted in two SB's.....there's no denying that....but they have also led to some bad decisions too.....you have to take the good with the bad....

But now those bad decisions have come back to bite us in the ass.....the Martin/Wilson debate can begin.....who would have been the better fit here? Reese can say he wanted Wilson all along, but thus far, Martin seems to have been the better choice....to take a RB with the first pick out of desperation, when we needed OL help more, comes into question....this OL is a mess.... and if Beatty continues to play the way he has, it get's even worse, since he just signed a 5 year deal....his cap hit is worse than Victor Cruz.....

Is is bad luck or Karma, that even the guys that we draft, that are good, seem to have a short life span?

If this year does go south, than the backups should be playing, so that Reese can assess what he really has in these guys.....there has to be major changes next year....the Boley, Bradshaw, Canty chopping block will continue after this season....

We need players that play every game....these games where guys become invisible has to stop....some of these players just don't get it...
Politi is one of the more annoying  
chopperhatch : 10/3/2013 1:30 pm : link
Journalists for the Ledger. Maybe in the world. He has this whiney approach where he never really makes declarative statements, or says anything truly insightful, he just asks questionsabout the topic. He also wears that beady eyed look complete with shit-eating grin a la Tony Romo
I hate to say I told you so but I have been saying this  
MikeN in Ottawa : 10/3/2013 1:36 pm : link
for several weeks now. I posted a fairly long comment last week about how we have not invested in the offensive line and compared it to what Young did following the 1987 season.

Reese has let the cupboard go bare and he certainly does have to answer for what I feel right now could be much worse than 5-11. I suspect it could be 2-14 but I have a hard time figuring out just who we are going to beat. At this moment in time, I do not think we can beat anyone.

Reese is responsible for the drafting of talent and he has ignored the offensive line, the linebackers and completely overestimated the talent at defensive end. He has done virtually nothing at tight end and let Martellus Bennett (who seems to be having a career year) go to Chicago. We have virtually no depth at running back.

Our QB is in the prime of his career and we have an offensive line that would have trouble at the college level. Then we have two WRs who seem to have little to no interest in playing hard. He has a lot to answer for and I would think it would become worse if the season goes down the drain as I suspect it will.

I cannot, quite frankly, remember such a mess since 1996. Even then, I don't think it was as bad as it is now. We really have poor talent in a lot of areas or a lot of players who are underachieving right now.

I think it may get to the point where Reese will have to address the media to try and calm things down...he may have no choice.
There is nothing  
old man : 10/3/2013 1:38 pm : link
Reese could say that either was not a disguised and mild form of an apology,or a throwing of coachs and/or players seemingly under the bus. And all those would be interpretive fodder for the media for days, and create internal rifts.
Better to just do what they can to get some players in that could help Eli NOT get killed.
The mounting injuries are not helping toward that end either.
We know he and the FO screwed up by staying with veterans too long, and also ignoring OL and LB; they (the organization) realize they took on many 'project' players that have not worked out, and even the average fan sees the weakness, including in our OC and DC.
Better the course of this season play out, and, IMO an unusual series of events for the team,expect a very active off-season and, including FO and coaching changes.
Go Big Blue!
Reese should be asked one simple ?...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 10/3/2013 1:40 pm : link
"Why should you not be charged with football malpractice with this offensive line?"
Mike  
Phil from WNY : 10/3/2013 1:43 pm : link
I suggest posting your telephone number of this thread. Reese needs to talk to you - fast. Right now, you're our only hope.
He did not "let" martellus bennett go.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/3/2013 1:45 pm : link
Martellus Bennett got a ton of money. They were never going to match that.

What they did was sign a free agent, depend on the kid they picked in the 4th round the year before, and keep Cruz.
Jerry In DC  
Chef : 10/3/2013 1:48 pm : link
Is spot on LOL

That is exactly what you would get if Reese came to the podium!
anyone in the media  
newmike2 : 10/3/2013 1:50 pm : link
that has to keep writing "patchwork offensive live", "lack of depth at linebacker" and "failure to pressure the QB", week after week should start asking the tough questions.
Well it can be applied  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/3/2013 1:53 pm : link
If the players just give the other team credit and say they need to improve. Rolle and company have been doing a little more than that recently. Don't be so sensitive, the duh wasn't directed at you. I was just stating something obvious like the players are the and the GM is the GM so I thought a "duh" was fitting there.

I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world for Jerry Reese to address the media, but I still don't understand why the writer of this article brings up "Talk is cheap" in the first place if his point is that he wants JR to step up and talk. The article could have sufficed without that.
players are the players and the GM is the GM*  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/3/2013 1:54 pm : link
.
Jerry In DC,  
AnishPatel : 10/3/2013 1:55 pm : link
Are you Jerry from Metlife?
Don't embarass Reese by putting him before a microphone.  
Blackbeard : 10/3/2013 2:02 pm : link
Just kick his ass out!
His first Superb Bowl win was with a team that Accorsi built.
His second was the result of a phenomenal win streak by a team that was playing its betters.
Reese has done little to deserve the job that he has.
Complain about TC and KG all you want, but the present situation comes down to a lousy OL and a lousy D.
Phil...sarcasm aside, if I and many other posters knew the  
MikeN in Ottawa : 10/3/2013 2:05 pm : link
OL was a problem from over two years ago, how did Reese not know that. But it is not just the offensive line...in almost every area except quarterback and perhaps WR (where two guys who were expected to play better are not) we are at the bottom of the league in terms of talent.

That is on the GM...no question there are some issues that are coaching ones...for example, I have been calling for Quinn to be fired as his litany of poor special teams has been a hallmark of his career with New York. Plust there are guys not playing well including Nicks, Randle and Beatty who were expected to play significantly better.

You can't keep investing low picks in offensive linemen and expect the OL to do well. At some point, you have to have ability. And as far as prognosticating, I posted in the summer that I had no idea about this Giants' team so it is not like I am saying this after the fact. I was worried then and that appears to be the case. This is a low talent team where, as Eric has said, some of our veterans have gotten old very fast and many are now injured on a regular basis. But, again, anyone could see this coming with Snee and Tuck and Webster based on their play over the past two years.

Didn't Pat Traina post something last year from an NFL personnel guy who said they thought Webster was done in 2011?
He's in Dick Cheney's old bunker  
jeff57 : 10/3/2013 2:10 pm : link
Cannot be reached at this time.
reese is on  
eleven : 10/3/2013 2:25 pm : link
Vacation in Bermuda probably. He is not answering any time soon lol.
MIKE  
jtgiants : 10/3/2013 2:47 pm : link
I get your point. some are fair but some are way over the top. Call me crazy I think this team wins Sunday. I think they win the Division. We can fix and save this season imo. We are helped playing in a lousy division. That said to say this team will only win 2 games is crazy.
Very apparent  
BigBlueCane : 10/3/2013 2:55 pm : link
that Gettleman's loss hurts worse each week.
I don't think Dave Gettleman not being here  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/3/2013 3:00 pm : link
has much to do with Beatty getting pummeled against carolina, David Bass sponging up the cap, or Chris Snee's "good" hip suddenly failing.
A reevaluation needs to be done  
PeterS : 10/3/2013 3:47 pm : link
with respect to how players are regarded with their pro-readiness.

I agree that taking guys with "high ceilings" has not been as effective as taking pro-ready guys. JR needs to rethink his drafting habits with regards to the likes of a Marvin Austin or a Travis Beckum. He should be looking for the next Diehl or Cruz instead.
Excellent advice  
Jerry in DC : 10/3/2013 3:51 pm : link
I'm sure Reese had no clue that he should be looking for the next Victor Cruz. He just has to target "pro-ready" players like a WR from UMass. Problem solved.
I could care less if Jerry Reese or a Mara  
nomad1986 : 10/3/2013 3:52 pm : link
does or doesn't do interviews. But any Giants fan who thinks this organization doesn't care what's written about them has no idea who they root for.
nomad1986  
T-Bone : 10/3/2013 4:16 pm : link
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But any Giants fan who thinks this organization doesn't care what's written about them has no idea who they root for.


I'm assuming that comment was directed at me since I said earlier that Reese could give two shits what's written about him. I stand by that comment. Reese only has two men he HAS TO answer to and their last names are Mara and Tisch. So you, Graziano, Politi and anyone else who is demanding that he come out and speak about this season 4 games into it should take the hint by the (rightfully, IMO) lack of press conferences coming out of Giants central.
T-Bone  
nomad1986 : 10/3/2013 4:20 pm : link
I didn't remember who said it and it wasn't meany as any kind of throw down. Just a general statement. The Giants care probably more than they should.
It's cool...  
T-Bone : 10/3/2013 4:24 pm : link
I didn't take it as such. My bad if it seemed that way. I personally don't believe that Reese is the type to read the papers and then go into Marc Ross' office and say 'Can you believe what Politi wrote about me today?!'. I just don't see it.

Don't take that to mean that I believe that the Mara's and Tisch's don't care because for them it's not only about winning but the bottom line and it's in their best interest to know what's being said about their team in the press. But Reese doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who really cares what any of the beat writers say about him. I wouldn't be surprised if he thought of it as just 'in-season chatter', to play off of something he's said before.

I'm sure he's just as disappointed and upset about how the team he's put together is performing and instead of holding press conferences about it is more concerned with trying to fix it.
I agree on Reese and like I said  
nomad1986 : 10/3/2013 4:27 pm : link
I could care less if he does interviews or not. Right now there is nothing he could say that wouldn't make things worse.
^^^  
T-Bone : 10/3/2013 4:38 pm : link
Agree completely sir.
with the way the media asks questions  
eli4life : 10/3/2013 4:51 pm : link
Any answer he could possibly give would throw someone under the bus thus imho would only serve to weaken if not destroy any locker room moral or unity. I would guess that is fragile enough already
He has ALOT of answering to do  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/3/2013 4:54 pm : link
for assembling quite possibly the worst OLine in the entire NFL. That doesn't even take into account the LB position. I'm sure he's going to have a nice, long sitdown with Mr. Mara and Mr. Tisch once the season concludes.
Dave  
T-Bone : 10/3/2013 5:02 pm : link
Sure he does. After the season.
Yep.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/3/2013 5:09 pm : link
Although, if they keep going the way they are going, I wouldn't be surprised if they pull him aside before that.
realistically,  
fkap : 10/3/2013 8:12 pm : link
he's not going to say anything worth listening to. It's going to be all evasion.

Still, you can't claim a long history of no comment, when you have a history of commenting.
Reese cannot say anything during the season...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 10/3/2013 10:48 pm : link
because if he does, he points the finger at SOMEONE (players, coaches or himself). This team needs unity not division. The only conversations that should happen are behind closed doors.
fkap  
T-Bone : 10/3/2013 11:16 pm : link
Quote:
Still, you can't claim a long history of no comment, when you have a history of commenting.


Politi named two times Reese has said anything to the media during the season. I'd be curious to know how often he's commented on the team during the season. It hasn't happened often, I feel pretty confident in saying that. Matter of fact, it could be argued that one of the more infamous times he DID say something to the media those words have haunted him and Eli years later (the infamous 'skittish' comment, which I believe was during the season but later in it).

Everyone wants him to come out and speak when there's nothing to be gained by it. They're constantly bringing up the 'Talk is Cheap...' mantra...and then demanding that Reese...talk. Think about that.
Reese doesn't have to answer for anything  
Spark Em Up 22 : 10/3/2013 11:21 pm : link
we are 25% through this season. Can we let it play out?
He Does?  
Percy : 10/4/2013 12:08 am : link
Well, no sh*t. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
T-Bone, as has been addressed 'Talk is cheap' applies to the players.  
vibe4giants : 10/4/2013 7:19 pm : link
Since we watch them perform week to week, hear them talk almost every day, it's a completely different standard.

So we should say "Talk is cheap" to the players who are forced  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/4/2013 10:16 pm : link
to talk, but not apply that same mantra to Jerry Reese who has the option not to talk? I don't know, just seems weird for the writer of this article to bring up the whole "Talk is cheap" thing when he really didn't have to. I'm not opposed to Jerry Reese coming out and talking, but this article deserves some criticism for flip flopping.
I don't think  
M in CT : 10/4/2013 10:52 pm : link
Reese has bungled the oline as much as others here believe he has. I think Baas was a terrible signing and I'm sure Reese would take that one back if he could. But barring injuries, the rest of the line was/should have been pretty solid.

Should Reese have predicted that Sean Locklear would blow out his knee? Because he was an excellent player for us at a big discount. How about Snee? Should Reese have predicted that a warrior like Snee, who missed one game in his entire career before 2013, would suddenly become a shell of his former self? Should he have predicted that Boothe would suddenly regress or that he'd have to use Pugh at RT earlier than planned?

Yes, I am making excuses for Reese. After all, then man can't predict and prevent injuries. We're having a run of terrible luck with our oline right now and it's not all Reese's fault.
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