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Jon Beason traded to the Giants?

GiantsBRFan : 10/3/2013 11:09 pm
That's the rumor of the night on Twitter and several beat writers from the Panthers are confirming he's get traded but don't know to who or for what.
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Eric, it just highlights once again the folly of the Nassib move. Had  
Victor in CT : 10/4/2013 1:10 pm : link
they stayed put they would have had their choice of Khaseem Greene, Sean Porter or Gerald hodges, all of whom made their respective teams. And they gave up an extra pick to get him. Now on top of it, they waste another pick to get yet another injury prone player who due to injury can't live up to his potential. Really stupid planning on JRs part in this case.
I don't think the future looks bad so much as it is cloudy  
Go Terps : 10/4/2013 1:13 pm : link
The roster appears set to be almost completely turned over with only a few guys appearing to be certain to be Giants in 2014. The league is designed to allow teams to rebuild quickly.

We have some known quantities in Eli, Cruz, Prince, Beatty, Randle, maybe Pugh, and maybe a couple others. The big question is how are other recent draftees going to develop and will they get the opportunity this year?

Also, what are we going to do about Nicks and JPP? Right now the smart move seems to be to let each walk. I wonder if financially it's possible to trade JPP.
Go Terps  
dep026 : 10/4/2013 1:16 pm : link
Give me a Mathews or Lewan as our first pick, slide Beatty to RT and Pugh to RG and all of a sudden, the OL looks a lot better.

I am more worried about the future of our DL than our OL.
if beatty flops at LT the pugh pick  
area junc : 10/4/2013 1:19 pm : link
looks much better. his best pro position is LT or C imo
Why would his best position be C?  
BrettNYG10 : 10/4/2013 1:21 pm : link
Somewhere he has zero experience playing in a game at.

Lets sign Vernon Gholston too  
deadkurtrulz : 10/4/2013 1:23 pm : link
Rivers, Curry, all LB'ers that were top ten picks but can't play football.

They're still young....
I know that one of the bug pluses the Giants saw in Pugh  
Exit 172 : 10/4/2013 1:25 pm : link
was his versatility.

But I really hope that doesn't mean Pugh plays a new position every 10 games or so. I want him to find his best position ASAP and stay there.
Aaron Maybin too!  
Victor in CT : 10/4/2013 1:26 pm : link
Why is Beason  
Rob in NYC : 10/4/2013 1:28 pm : link
like Curry, Connors, et. al?

I don't like the deal due to injury concerns, but at least Beason was a highly effective player in this league at one point. Talent isn't an issue here, at all.
Randy in CT : 10/4/2013 1:31 pm : link
we're here to bitch?
If he was any good he wouldn't be available for a 5th rounder.  
Victor in CT : 10/4/2013 1:33 pm : link
I think that's shitty logic, Victor.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/4/2013 1:35 pm : link
Same could be applied to an undrafted player, etc.

Your conclusion may be right, but I disagree with that line of reasoning.
brett, he's played 5 games in the last 2 years. Since he got  
Victor in CT : 10/4/2013 1:39 pm : link
hurt in 2011 he hasn't been the same player. CAR was wise to dump him off for anything they could get. If he was the pre-injury Beason he would never have seen the trade market.
He was/is very talented  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/4/2013 1:40 pm : link
but is no longer healthy enough to play at that level. Kind of similar to LaVar Arrington, in that respect.
Giantfan in skinland : 10/4/2013 1:40 pm : link
One difference is that when healthy, he is a proven commodity. For his current team to give up on him for a low pick, it certainly suggests that he's not near his old self.

Doesn't mean it can't work out for us...but I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting for him to make an impact.
jlukes : 10/4/2013 1:41 pm : link
None of these scrap LB projects have worked out.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/4/2013 1:43 pm : link
Rivers, Curry, Bullock have all provided nothing.

I don't expect anything. We gave up a 6-7 rounder and we'll probably get one back back plus a mid rounder in compensatory.

It's basically a free trial.
here's a link from a Panthers website  
Victor in CT : 10/4/2013 1:45 pm : link
"The trade is simply trying to get something out of nothing. It was clear Beason couldn't contribute in 2013 the way the team had hoped and his release was around the corner. It's a sad day, but the move makes a lot of sense."

At least his contract is up after this season. THe trade makes no sense from the Giants standpoint.
Salary Cap Ramifications of Jon Beason Trade - ( New Window )
sure, because C  
fkap : 10/4/2013 1:47 pm : link
calls for similar attributes as Left Tackle.
BrettNYG10 : 10/4/2013 1:47 pm : link
Yes - those points are all reasonable - I just disagreed with your 1:33 reasoning and knew you had better reasons that you were holding back from us. :)

I think it's a low-risk, moderate reward move. Hard to have strong feelings against it from my perspective.
I think we might now have an NFL record for two teammates with  
jlukes : 10/4/2013 1:50 pm : link
the most combined ACL surgeries in NFL history
Another Stupid Move By The Giants  
chiefmps : 10/4/2013 1:50 pm : link
This is not going to be a good season for the Giants so whatever you do you don't trade away draft picks for someone who best day a well behind him. Someone fire the guy who mite have made this trade. Maybe we all get lucky and Benson fail his physical. Giants dump a healthy Blackburn who in turn take over for Benson due to his injuries and then the Giants make a trade for Benson. Now you know why this is a bad season for the Giants. Stupid Moves.
2nd round  
stretch234 : 10/4/2013 1:53 pm : link
Steve Smith, Terrel Thomas, william Beatty, Linval Joseph, Rueben Randle

Clint Sintim, Marvin Austin

I will take that 50-50 any time

What hurts is the 3rd round. ALford hurt and done after 1 year and C Jones never playing
Benson sucks.  
BeerFridge : 10/4/2013 1:53 pm : link
For a 7th, not a big deal.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/4/2013 1:57 pm : link
To me a 7th is basically an UDFA. Easy to get that back by trading back a few spots elsewhere. With UDFAs like Chase, Cruz Ballard, they can fill out the roster.
You guys...  
CarsHURT'86 : 10/4/2013 2:00 pm : link
realize less then 5% of 7th rounders ever make an NFL roster. Quit your crying about draft picks when you have no clue what your crying about.
thanks Brett, all in fun :-)  
Victor in CT : 10/4/2013 2:02 pm : link
Burns me though that he can't get on the field ahead of Blackburn.
downinfront : 10/4/2013 2:04 pm : link
it's not just the draft pick. This shows that Reese thinks he built a good enough roster to be a playoff team. That absolutely terrifies me.
unless he's  
newmike2 : 10/4/2013 2:06 pm : link
..a significant upgrade, trading any pick at 0-4 doesn't make sense. The team needs to get better at that position and I hope Reese knows something more than the obvious.
Anyone whose argument is "we're not doing anything this year":  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 10/4/2013 2:09 pm : link
Thats great you feel that way but if the front office had this attitude it would be disgraceful and they wouldn't have won those last two super bowls. If its only a 7th rounder lets come down. 7th rounders are great and all but for every Ahmad Bradshaw theres about 30 other guys taken in the round that will have no impact on the teams that draft them.
Beer Fridge  
jerrydo : 10/4/2013 2:11 pm : link
thats great!
Ah, late draft picks.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/4/2013 2:12 pm : link
The currency of hope.

might as well add Jonathon Goff  
SHO'NUFF : 10/4/2013 2:13 pm : link
to the ACL All-Stars.
He's had two terrible injuries  
chris r : 10/4/2013 2:17 pm : link
Hasn't been good in 3 years and was beat out by the exceedingly mediocre chase Blackburn. Oh and the giants are very unlikely to play meaningful games this year so future assets are relatively more valuable to them than present ones.

Those are facts. I'm not sure how they can be disagreed with.
Pugh will be the next David Diehl  
Jupiter : 10/4/2013 2:19 pm : link
Versatile enough to play a different position on the O-line every year but after 8 or 9 years, he won't be able to play any one position to the satisfaction of BBI.
Everybody agrees that future assets are valuable.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/4/2013 2:20 pm : link
The odds of getting an asset in rounds 6-7 are low. They have always been low. They always will be low. They are low for every team.

a pick in rounds six or seven is not an asset. it's a lottery scratch off. Most times you lose, sometimes you luck into a $15 winner.
I'm hoping this pick up is  
Simms11 : 10/4/2013 2:39 pm : link
similar to the one that brought us Mike Barrow. If I recall people thought he was done after an injury too?!
It's pretty simple, imv  
JonC : 10/4/2013 3:10 pm : link
If you are optimistic and hold out hope for success this season, you won't find any fault with trading a #7 pick for a player now. People in this camp generally don't pay attention to the percentages, they push all their emotional chips into this pile.

If you aren't optimistic on this season, your view shifts to 2014 and preserving assets for the offseason options and draft. You recognize the percentages are very low this season, you're more pragmatic and mentally prepared to cut bait and build towards the future.

Neither is wrong, but which is more likely?
Beason is a player and a leader  
Geeman : 10/4/2013 3:12 pm : link
which is sorely needed in the middle of this defense.
A lot of you will have a change of heart once he gets on the filed. I am a fan of this move.
I don't quite agree with the move...  
BillKo : 10/4/2013 3:17 pm : link
mainly because it's an injured player (we have enough of those don't we??) and he's a free agent next year. Most likely, this is a rental.

But.....the Giants realize they are quite substandard at LB and need help just to surrive this season. That's the reason for the move.

Sometimes you have to patch a hole so the ship doesn't completely sink.
Has a 7th been confirmed anywhere  
BlueHurricane : 10/4/2013 3:18 pm : link
I believe most of the hand wringing was over it possibly being a 5th
The Giants  
ben apuna's fanbase : 10/4/2013 3:26 pm : link
will probably do the trade down/accumulation thing in the upcoming draft so the loss of this pick is basically meaningless to me.
If it is a 7th rd pick  
Emil : 10/4/2013 3:32 pm : link
I have no issue with the trade at all. For every Ahmad Bradshaw, there are a dozen guys who don't even make the practice squad.

Beason might be damaged goods, but nothing wrong with taking a flier on a 28 year old 100+ tackle a year guy (before injuries) as the Giants have no one on the roster who fits that description. To everyone feeling negative about the trade, don't get wrapped up in what the Giants are giving up. More concerning is that JR feels the need to make this move at all. I suspect this means, Williams, Rivers, and Herzlich are likely not part of the future plan. This may not surprise many, but if Beason is bring brought in because Williams (in particular) and Rivers cannot get it done, then our LBs are even worse than our worst fears. Williams was supposed to at least be a nickel and dime package LB, but he is always hurt and has been invisible this year. Rivers has just never lived up to his measureables.

Anyone think Beason is being brought in to play MLB in the base alignment?
Don't worry about Losing a 7th because......  
VegasRich : 10/4/2013 3:33 pm : link
I just finished my first 3 rounds of next year smock using

Pick 1.1. I traded down 1 spot to steels and acquired the 1.2 plus 2.2 of Pitt

Pick 1.2 I traded down 4 spots to 6th and acquired more picks. I now am set with (2) 1st end picks (3) 2nd runs and (2) 3rds

1a Anthony Barr LB UCLA
1b Tony Richardson OT Tenn
2a: anthonynSteen OG Alabama
2b: Aaron Colbin CB Oklahoma
2c: Craig Lostin SS LSU
3a: Adrian Hubbard LB UCLA
3b: WR Allen Robertson Penn St

Have more fun doing this than watching us lose
If you patch a hole with a paper towel  
vibe4giants : 10/4/2013 3:35 pm : link
you really haven't done much for the ship.
I don't know whats more sad:  
Giants11 : 10/4/2013 3:51 pm : link
1. The physical state of Beason
2. Even in said state He instantly becomes our best LB
GiantsBRFan : 10/4/2013 3:57 pm : link

Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo
Done deal: Jon Beason is now a Giant, per source.
JonC : 10/4/2013 4:18 pm : link
He'll be playing MIKE here, no doubt.
I was hoping we'd find the Cruz of LB's  
Torn Tendon : 10/4/2013 4:20 pm : link

Now I'd settle for the Black Unicorn of LBs.
Thanks Jon  
Emil : 10/4/2013 4:26 pm : link
Kinda what I figured
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