Jon Beason traded to the Giants?

So our starting WR for a guy who was benched?


BWAHAHAHAA. Yeah, ok.

Incarcerated Bob is the source?

beat writers.

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and everyone in Carolina is questioning your career at this point, the guy has trade value.

im guessing its for a 7th round pick.

wow, what a fall from earth for this guy and his injuries. So that's keith rivers and now jon beason. Reeks of desperation, so much for the great keith rivers huh?

A guy who was benched for Chase Blackburn. Right! Maybe just a 5th

These two is were I saw this and looks to me more reliable guys.

https://twitter.com/MikeMcCartney7

https://twitter.com/Brett_Jensen

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couldn't even afford Beason's ridiculous contract.

I travel there once a month, so I know that.

But I don't see how the Giants fit his contract under the cap. Unless this is what they went to Snee for

tore his Achilles in 2011 and has been struggling with his return from microfracture surgery.

We'd inherit 3/4 of a million for this year only. Might be worth a conditional 7th.

We'd inherit 3/4 of a million for this year only. Might be worth a conditional 7th.

got benched after getting exposed in coverage against the Bills.

as MOOPS said his contract is minimal plus it's also voidable at the end of the season. I believe we already have Beason on the roster, his name is Keith Rivers

see Nicks and a 5th?

the money definitely doesn't work if this trade is to the Giants unless the Giants are sending David Baas back.

was excellent before the injuries. But I'm not sure he could pass a physical.

Reporting about the rumors of Beason to the giants, but no mention of Nicks

Just confirmed this.

What does he have left in the tank... Was a beast a few years back

Makes zero sense. You'd think NIcks is worth more then a backup often injured LB.

Not sure about now...

Because if it's not Reese should be fired on the spot.

Can y'all take this here keith rivers fellar please? Thanks in advance!

terrible and is on his 3rd ACL and has torn an achilles.

He's terrell thomas and andre brown rolled into one.

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Nicks in this deal? Getting Beason means they're not giving up. Not sure they can afford to give up Nicks, if they aren't giving up on the season.

Not that we aren't desperate. Just can't find anything good about Beason's health/play.

I'm slamming my face to the keyboard. Using a 6th or 7th is fine by me.

When the NFC East is as pathetic as it is.

for injured, underperforming, cheap, essentially useless linebackers.

post like that frustrate me so much to the point where I ignore it. Just an absolutely ridiculous suggestion you almost have to lie to yourself and say the poster is joking with himself. Its the only way

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that I can live with.

and the Giants track record with LBs, I'm not optimistic.

Also, I guess this doesn't say much for the dude the picked up from Seattle.

no way they would trade Nicks for Beason.

Johnson�s catch was one of five that Bills rookie quarterback EJ Manuel completed � in five attempts � throwing to receivers covered by Beason, according to Pro Football Focus. The completions went for 112 yards, including 87 yards after the catch.

Johnson gained 35 yards after his catch against Beason.

�People can look into stats all they want to,� Beason said. �I know I�ve got to play better, and that�s what it boils down to.�

Beason blamed poor technique and biting on play fakes for some of his coverage issues. He also conceded his knee is giving him problems.

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might make sense. If I understand NFL trade rules right, all that would be left on his deal is salary and the Giants could cut him without any dead cap space after the season.

He's got like 10M capt hits in 2014 and 2015

ALL CRAP!!

Why can't the Giants make a real investment in quality linebackers?

Beason, 28, agreed to a $4.25million pay cut this year in a restructured deal, but he can recoup $1.75million if he is active for all 16 games. Beason�s new contract voids after this season, meaning this could be his final year in Carolina.

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Paul Schwartz ‏@NYPost_Schwartz 59s

Charlotte source said Giants trade for LB Jon Beason is done. Not confirmed that that's what one source says. #nyg

much for looking to rebuild.

Trading any draft pick for a 3/4 of a season rental when you're 0-4 is strange. It's even stranger when the player you're looking to acquire is so severely depleted by injury that he's been beaten out by Chase Blackburn.

Beason was a truly great player at his peak, but this doesn't make any sense. It's not like we'll be giving up much, but it's still a head-scratcher.

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I like the use of 'Pro-Bowl LB'. You know, like Pro-Bowler Chris Snee. Both were Pro-Bowlers at one point, neither one is sniffing it now.

seven draft picks. Each one is valuable. This is a dumb move.

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would have been amazing... I don't get this move.

Except to us, who routinely get nothing of value after round 4.

In Reese we Trust!!!

pick is conditional on Beason making the Giants 2014 roster.

Kind of like the 1st round pick the Giants got from the Saints for Shockey - if Vilma was re-signed.

that worked out - Giants got a couple first out of that (they still haven't used)

simply not true at all. Giants have had good success with late picks. It's rounds 2-4 that have given them problems.

But I'm not gonna cry about a 6th-7th rounder. I think the Giants need to accept that we're more than a beaten down LB away from contention and should just look to inject youth next season.

It's almost as if Reese is saying screw it we never find anything in the late rounds anyway (bradshaw obviously the exception, with MJ somewhat useful as well)

and at the same time thumb your nose at trading a 6th or a 7th rounder for a guy who might be able to help the defense.

If you're of the opinion we're done, then fine, this move is questionable.

from what I'm reading.

just going to post this

I must be missing it.

Heck, just what we need, another guy who's got no game left.

Eric, I agree. We shouldn't be giving up any picks. We suck.

need to be cut/IR'd.

I think Reese would prob draft some project that doesn't make the roster. Its a gamble either way considering he never uses picks to move up into top two rounds. Have no problem if its a 7th

microfracture surgery no less.

Former 1st round LB picks... Maybe Jerry is praying that one pans out?

Tells me all I need to know about Jon Beason in 2013.

to fill spots? beason is made of glass, not even half the player he used to be. Better off sticking with Herzlich as bad as he is.

Bradshaw was a 7, Jacquian Williams was a 6, Boss was a 5, Ward was a 7...I can't think of much else rounds 5 to 7 that have been that great for us outside of that...aside from Matt Dodge of course

Sure, let's just get rid of those picks for broken down shells of formerly good players.

a 7th rd pick

Thomas Davis is the one with the ACL history. Beason has had injuries, but he's not terrible. It's a 5th Round pick, NOT NICKS that was the compensation there.

And the defense isn't the issue, they've been great until they end up on the field for 2/3 of the game and wear out. We do need a Mike, though.

Hope he gets his head out of his ass before the offseason begins.

You mean like Ahmad Bradshaw, Michael Johnson, Mike Cox, and Markus Kuhn?

we usually net a comp pick so maybe we trade our 6th or 7th we can get one right back as a comp pick so it usually isn't a big deal. Reese has tried to make these moves almost every season. It's a good strategy IMO. Late rounders rarely pan out.

if its a 5th like they gave up for rivers its a horrific move

Thomas had the multiple ACLs, but Beason ruptured his Achilles in 2011 and tore his ACL last year.

difficult to come back from, just ask Amar'e

never pan out - I'd rather take my chances with draft picks that sometimes do.

that Dave Gettleman is GM of Panthers.

to cite Kuhn and Cox is quality late round picks....not saying they won't but they haven't done much yet

by moving down in the draft. if you wanna look at it more optimistically

if he comes in and earns a job it's an indictment on the guys that are already here

the case that the Giants were worried about the MLB spot. With Connor done for the year and Herzlich struggling (and I think he was in a boot this week with a toe injury), the Giants felt they needed to make a move at linebacker. They worked out Jon Goff a few weeks ago so I'm sure this has been on Reese's radar and the Herzlich injury/inconsistency forced his hand.

Ebenezer Samuel ‏@ebenezersamuel 9m
Before anyone heralds possible Beason acquisition as difference-making, consider this stat: 43 total tackles last three seasons.

another sub par linebacker that was a high draft pick from a few years ago with an injury history !!!!!!

Rivers.. Curry.. Beason... just head scratching...

Seems kind of foolish to trade for a guy who is physically done at this point in his career. I know pickings are slim but there had to be someone out there as a FA that can play and is somewhat healthy.

Pete Damilatis ‏@PFF_Pete 1m
Beason is in year 3 of a 6-year contract. Salary jumps up big time next season, could be a cap casualty unless he has a big impact.

sure, but why trade for a LB who has struggled coming back from microfracture surgery?

good LBers and just use where other teams drafted a guy as an indication of whether they think he's any good.

"difference making"?

You don't trade a draft pick for Beason. You wait until he's cut, and then you kick the tires.

Jerry is lost. He is massively disappointing me this season.

theme this year. They should put that on a t-shirt.

This move makes zero sense this year or next year. Is Reese TRYING to get fired?

8 games played 2011 through now yikes

Notable 5-6-7 picks with this front office:

Kuhn, who's played 6 or so games and we have no idea what he is.

Cox, who hasn't played at all.

DaRel Scott
Tyler Sash
J. Williams
Petrus
Dodge
Greg Jones
Adrian Tracy
DeAndre Wright
Stoney Woodson.

OK, but can we count the 4th leading rusher in Giants' history?

Not really a fair statement. Bradshaw, OK. But really? Michael Johnson? Markus Kuhn? Mike Cox? Wtf have they done?

On a LB in JRs book. I fully expect another year where we don't draft a LB.

Beason, 28, agreed to a $4.25million pay cut this year in a restructured deal, but he can recoup $1.75million if he is active for all 16 games. Beason�s new contract voids after this season, meaning this could be his final year in Carolina.

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And Williams and Sash had roles on a Super Bowl team. Might not be stars or starters, but they were here multiple seasons and had roles.

Absolutely nothing, but all the Reese apologists will say that he is a draft god despite his terrible track record.

than boom. Bradshaw was nice, just like the Pats picking Brady was a sweet find for them, but for every 1 of those guys you're discarding two dozen run of the mill 6th/7th rounders.

I'm against the move, but mostly because I think we're done this year. Why anyone would be optimistic we could still make some noise, but think this is a bad move, is beyond me. I don't like dumping picks for washed up LBs by any stretch, but we've got garbage out there. If he's an improvement and you think we're still alive, you have to pull the trigger.

I would almost prefer using Bradford in that spot.

Though I will say, lumping Beason in with Curry and Rivers is a little unfair, he is coming off a tough injury and surgery, but Beason has at least performed very well at the pro level - the other two guys can't say that.

Having said that, I don't get the deal...

I think it shows a few things

1) the Giants are desperate
2) this was the best that was available
3) their current in house options were awful + Herzlich could be hurt worse than we know
4) with the NFC East sucking, the Giants aren't ready to give up on the season, even at 0-4

We've seen this with Reese for a while now, he goes for these older LBs to see if he can squeeze anything out of them. This feels like a Keith Bulluck type move to me.

had zero contribution to that super bowl year

I'm hardpressed to get angry at this waste of a 6th or 7th rounder, by comparison.

thats an ignorant comment...

Kuhn was the #3 DT on this team before he tore his ACL. Michael Johnson played in over 160 games, including two seasons as a full time starter.

Cox looks like our #2 back of the future.

Considering they are staring a top 5 pick dead in the eyes.

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We wasted two picks on a QB in the 4th Kyle : 11:54 pm : link : Delete I'm hardpressed to get angry at this waste of a 6th or 7th rounder, by comparison.

That train of thought is how teams get bad in a hurry.

of DT talent on the team last year than anything else.

What position? CF?

:)

Even the ball boy.

was a solid player his rookie year but I would necessarily say he was a great 7th round pick. The Giants gave him every opportunity to take the safety job but the guy made a lot of mental mistakes and held on to that job longer than he should have. I think the jury is still out on Cox and Kuhn though Kuhn did flash last year. I tend to remember Stoney Woodson, DeAndre Wright, Andre Woodson, Rhett Bomar, Adam Koets, Matt Mcants, Eric Herman. 6th and 7th Round picks are a crapshoot. Not to say I agree with the trade because I dont but this team needs to do more than bank on a 7th round pick working out...This team need to sign a couple of big time free agents next year like Alex Mack and Aqib Talib.

Of course there are boom-and-bust picks in rounds 6 and 7 (and picking late in rounds 6 and 7). But the point is you do hit on quite a few of those.

Again, you get seven picks. Each one is critical.

I want these guys to be good players but I don't think we gain anything by overstating their ability.

please tell me what sash did specifically to contribute to the SB year? He was a 3rd/4th stringer who amassed 7 tackles in 4 post season games

I understand each pick counts but look at how many picks just don't pan out. We need help now. It's a risk on both ends. A draft pick???And a former pro bowler who has injury concerns who may pan out?? Both risks.

Can't agree with you at all.

If you get a two-year starter at safety with a 7th round pick, that's a great pick for where you got it. Johnson also started 5 regular season games in 2007 and had a role in the secondary on the Super Bowl team.

Just because a guy isn't here 10 years doesn't mean it's not a great pick for where you got him (7th round).

43 total tackles in the past 3 seasons. he is broken. I understand the desperation but they are better off taking a flier on a LB who is younger and healthier in the draft.

Kuhn was a better player than you give him credit for. The Giants are hoping he can regain his form.

Are about the same as a 7th round pick being productive for us. I think our season is donezo so I'd rather keep as many picks as possible, but I don't see this as a huge deal.

Wasn't a good player by any stretch of the imagination. He had 111 tackles and 2 INTs in 49 games played and 35 started.

doesnt knock a ball out of someones hand in Green Bay in 2007.. Giants might not have tworings.. just sayin..

Johnson played in over 160 (regular season and postseason) during his Giants career with 35 regular season starts.

but as was said a 7th rounder that can give you 2 seasons as a starter isn't a bad player based on draft placement.

He wasnt a steal or a stud by any means but he was very solid as a backup in 2007.

teams? You don't pick up Bradshaws on a consistent basis that late into the draft. Look at how long it took a guy like Darelle Scott to see the field, those 6th rounders are not starters, and their only shot at contributing would be on special teams. I'm indifferent about this trade, I'm really weary of buying back refurbished, beaten down linebackers.

I agree, but I have to trust there must be something Reese thinks he can bring to the team.

Them trading doesn't worry me too much (so long as we're talking 6th or 7th - if this is a 5th, I'll be pissed).

What concerns me is the worst unit on this team seems to be the OL, but we just traded for a LB. Don't kill me for this, but even with our mediocre LBs I didn't think they were a massive liability. Clearly, Reese was concerned enough with either the depth or the ability of who we've got there that he made this move.

Which means he thought LB was worse off, which scares the SHIT out of me. Could be that either guys are more banged up than we know about, or we've seen these guys playing over their heads and they could possibly be worse than we've seen thus far.

where are you getting this 160 games played from?

You do know 160 games is 10 seasons?

in 2011.

And I'll admit, he made a play In the SB run and was serviceable in 08. But his the second year he started we had one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

already has him listed as a Giant.

Physical tomorrow.

Voidable contract at end of year.

One year rental.

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Beason is physically done lalalalala : 10/3/2013 11:46 pm : link if he comes in and earns a job it's an indictment on the guys that are already here

Which is why the Giants want him, they seem to love getting guys past their prime

I just wasn't a fan of his other than on special teams. I see your point in that we got a lot out of a 7th round pick and heck we probably wont get anything out of Beason but I just dont think a 7th round pick is something to get too bent out of shape about. However I dont agree with the trade.

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I just wasn't a fan of his other than on special teams. I see your point in that we got a lot out of a 7th round pick and heck we probably wont get anything out of Beason but I just dont think a 7th round pick is something to get too bent out of shape about. However I dont agree with the trade.

and we've been botching the middle rounds for awhile now.

You also get bad fast by having massive blind spots in scouting and evaluation for parts of the roster (OL, LB).

This certainly doesn't help, but it's a rather small symptom.

49 games played, are you talking about tackles?

The only reason he started in 08 is because we had a rookie in Kenny Phillips and James Butler as the only Safeties on the roster.

but why trade a draft pick for 1 year rental? Could we receive some sort of compensation pick if we void his contract and he signs elsewhere after this year?

we'll get a nice comp pick when Nicks bails.

none of our 5th, 6th or 7th rounders make contributions or even make the team. lets throw away more draft picks, baby!

but if he was THAT bad they would have gone out and signed a veteran.

He wasn't the best guy out there but he was boom or bust.

Again, you don't expect a lot from a 7th rounder and the giants got a lot of value out of him.

Granted he didn't have a long stay thereafter.

I think people are being quick to sell on Beason. Especially when this trade's not official yet.

Because we had the awesome CC Brown, Aaron Rouse, Sha'reff Rashad and DJ Johnson at Safety. Obviously the guy we drafted is going to get PT.

Played 160 quarters for the Giants, much less games.

And no way he played 160 halves...

:-\

are missing the point.

a 5th, 6th, 7th rounder who makes the team is a guy who makes the team. He might be a starter, he might be a reserve, he might be a special teams player. But he is a body who has a role on a 53 man roster.

You lose that pick and they you have to fill it in free agency, which is more expensive. Rookie contracts are dirt cheap.

And occasionally that late pick becomes an Armstead or Bradshaw.

The season is far from over. This core of players has shown us before to NEVER count them out!!!!!!! Reese is making the moves that he feels can help out our teams voids. I like the Jacobs move. I am not hating this move.

When you're competing year-in-year out, the coach also has to balance in the development of the players the team is drafting against going with the known quantities. Parcells had a good feel for knowing when some lynchpins on the OL and LB have gotten worse, and remedied it in much swifter fashion than Coughlin.

Our self-evaluation at those spots on the roster has been pretty poor.

and have played like crap in about 13/16 quarters.

this team has done crazier shit before so it wouldnt surprise me if they win like 3 or 4 in a row.

and you'll need to put on your rose colored glasses here. The Giants front office is sending a message to the team that they are not giving up on 2013.

Think of it. They are 0-4, but only 2 games back in the division. Reese put that Super Bowl count down clock in the locker room as a motivator. Could he and the coaches be so far off in their view of this team to basically pack it in with 12 games to play and a division where 8 or 9 wins will get you a division title?

If he felt this team was in the shitter, no way he makes this deal. So what he's telling his team, specifically the veterans on defense and the coaches, is that he will look to make a move, at the expense of next year (even with a later round pick) and bring in a veteran LB to slot in a defense that clearly needs help in the middle after the Connor injury and now Herzlich's foot injury.

The Giants need confidence, they need a spark. We hear it from Coughlin. We hear it from some of the veteran leaders (Tuck, Rolle, etc.) So if Reese feels he can fill a hole, send a message to his team, and try to do what he can to salvage the season at the expense of a 7th rounder, he's going to do it.

Now...if he sucks and can't play anymore..and the season ends up 5-11. Well, this was a gamble and loss on Reese's part.

that doesn't realize the awful injuries Beason has, and thinks we've picked up a first team all-pro on the downside of his career.

and Beason fails the physical the second he gets here. So even if you're dead set against this, I wouldn't panic just yet.

Eric - I get that you need bodies to fill out the roster, but we've got nobody at LB. It's a longshot, but if Beason can play he helps this year, and maybe becomes a part of the longer term.

Again sure...But he had better be able to practice.

What if the trade is made, and he has to sit out one practice a week because of his knee?

that's the same argument we heard with Keith Rivers and Aaron Curry. I hope that's not the case but we're talking about a guy who got benched for Chase Blackburn.

that's why I think this is a calculated gamble by Reese. I think he's trying to send a message to the team here, knowing that he's not exactly bringing Mike Singletary here...or even what Beason was 5 years ago.

It might well blow up in his face.

unsecured Jesus in a Texas roller coaster. Would we do this at 4-0? Probably.

but unlike Reese and some others here, I think we're not doing anything this year. I would have just stood pat and waited for the draft and FA next year to repair the roster.

If you think we're not done at 0-4, and we still have a chance to be in this - and we've got a hole that you can improve - how do you *not* make the move?

Ideally it'd be for someone better than Beason, but at this point in the season, that's about what you're going to get, either a has-been or a never-was.

but to me 7th round pick are just like or close to undrafted free agents. If thier gonna fill bodies with late round picks they probably can do that with undrafted free agents.

Rob mentioned earlier, not fair to Beason to lump him in with the "never-has beens".

Our team right now. You sometimes have to sacrifice a future pick in order to address the present. I understand the thought process.

I don't think we're done because I'm a foolish optimistic Giants fan. But the likely reality is the Giants are not going to get to 8-8, or even if they do an win the division, get knocked out right away.

Most of BBI says we should be benching the vets and playing the young pups at this point (see OL discussion today).

I can't see how those same folks can say "Hey, it's only a late pick...what the hell?!"

You don't rebuild by trading away draft picks, even late picks.

we don't know the terms of the deal. Maybe the pick is conditional based on playing time. So if Beason actually does produce, then the Giants give up a pick. If he doesn't, they don't get anything. At the very least, the Panthers were able to free up a roster spot and salary relief. If they were thinking of outright releasing him, maybe this was a trade between friends of Gettleman and Reese and they are doing each other a favor here.

you are 4-0 with a strong possibility to make the playoffs.

we are 0-4 and thats why a lot of us are questioning the deal.

This sunday is the season. going 0-5 (0-2) is a death sentence.

No matter how bad the division is, the cowboys are still the better team no matter what and they already have a 1-0 advantage over us.

7th round pick wont bother me, but a 5th rounder would tick me off

Many experts think Newsome is the best GM. Here are his drafts from 2007 to 2012. 3 for 26 from rounds 4-7 (Pernell McPhee DE/DT 5th, Dennis Pitta TE 4th & Le'Ron McClain RB 4th was a 2-time Pro-Bowler). 0-10 6th & 7th rounds. So much for the idea that even the best GMs do a great job in the later rounds. Reese bashers should get a clue.

2012
2 Courtney Upshaw LB - 9 starts, 55 tackles, 1.5 sack 2012
2 Kelechi Osemele OT - starter all 2012
3 Bernard Pierce RB - 4.9 avg/108 carries 2012
4 Gino Gradkowski G - 0 starts 2012; 3 starts @ C this year
4 Christian Thompson S - 0 starts 2012
5 Asa Jackson CB - 1 game 2012
6 Tommy Streeter WR - nada 2012; on BUF 2013
7 Deangelo Tyson DE - 12 tackles 2012

1.5 starters
nada from 5 picks 4-7

2011
1 Jimmy Smith CB - 8 starts, 2 INT, 60 tackles
2 Torrey Smith WR - 33 starts, 115 rec, 15 TDs
3 Jah Reid LG - 7 starts 2012
4 Tandon Doss WR - 0 starts, 7 rec 2012; OOF 2013
5 Chykie Brown CB - 1 start; 17 tackles
5 Pernell McPhee DE/DT - 6 starts, 7.5 sacks, 47 tackles
6 Tyrod Taylor QB - 9 games, 0 starts, 30 passes
7 Anthony Allen RB - 0 starts, 19 rushes

1 starter
1 decent backup
1 1st round bust so far
nada from 4/5 picks 4-7

2010
2 Sergio Kindle LB - 3 games, 0 starts, 1 tackle
2 Terrence Cody DT - 20 starts, 78 tackles
3 Ed Dickson TE - 33 starts, 87 rec, 918 yds
4 Dennis Pitta TE - 7 starts, 102 rec, 1075 yds
5 David Reed WR - 0 starts, 5 rec; on INDY 2013
5 Art Jones DE - nada
6 Ramone Harewood T - nada

1 2nd round bust
2 1 year starters
nada from 3/4 picks 4-6

2009
1 Michael Oher T - 67 starts
2 Paul Kruger DE/LB - 6 starts, 16.5 sacks, 72 tackles in 4 BAL yrs; on CLE 2013
3 Lardarius Webb DB/PR/KR - 28 starts, 8 INT, 202 tackles
5 Jason Phillips LB - 1 FF 1 yr w/ BAL; nada w/ CAR 2 yrs
5 Davon Drew TE - nada
6 Cedric Peerman RB - didn't play for BAL; 1 start w/ DET, CIN

1 starter
1 good 2nd round backup (they got 1 good year out of Kruger)
1 decent 3rd round CB/R
nada from 3/3 picks 5-6

2008
1 Joe Flacco - obvious; picked 18th
2 Ray Rice - obvious; 3 Pro Bowl; picked 55th
3 Tavares Gooden LB - 12 starts, 56 tackles in 3 BAL yrs,
3 Tom Zbikowski DB/PR/KR - 14 KRs/16 PRs/36 tackles in 4 yrs w/ BAL.
3 Oniel Cousins T - 4 starts in 3 BAL yrs
4 Marcus Smith WR - nada in 2 BAL yrs
4 David Hale T - 0 starts in 2 yrs
6 Haruki Nakamura DB - 0 starts, 26 tackles in 4 BAL yrs
7 Justin Harper WR - 2 games in 1 yr; nada
7 Allen Patrick RB - nada

2 starters, incl. franchise QB & Pro Bowl RB
1 decent backup
nada from 5/5 picks 4-7

2007
1 Ben Grubbs G - 70 starts in 5 BAL yrs; 1 PB; on NO 2012, 2013
3 Yamon Figurs PR/KR - 7.9 PR/23.3 KO avg in 2 BAL yrs;
3 Marshall Yanda T/G - starter 75/86 games; 2 PB
4 Antwan Barnes LB - 0 starts, 5 sack, 1 INT, 22 tackles in 3 BAL yrs
4 Le'Ron McClain RB - 54 starts, 3.8 avg, 12 TDs in 4 BAL yrs; 2 PB
5 Troy Smith QB - 2 starts, 89 passes, 79.7 QBR in 3 BAL yrs
6 Prescott Burgess LB - 0 starts, 9 tackles in 4 BAL yrs

3 starters/Pro Bowlers
1 decent PR/KOR but for only 2 years
nada from 3/4 picks 4-6

Out of 46 picks:
10.5 starters
5 decent to good backups
4 Pro Bowlers (3 in 2007; 1 played 5 yrs, another 4)
1 franchise QB
1 1st round bust so far
1 2nd round bust

but lets not act like he's not immediately the best linebacker we have. He might be slow coming back from his latest surgery and who knows if he can get back healthy but he's forgotten more than Herzlich will ever know. He's 28 years old and a former 1st round pro-bowler.

then who cares? Chances are you can sign your 7th round guy as an undrafted FA.

Again, sometimes those 6th and 7th round picks turn into quality starters. Rare, but it does happen.

I hope I'm dead wrong about this, but this reeks of a desperate move by a team that should be keeping the upcoming offseason in mind.

Sure, but we're talking about an Achilles rupture and microfracture surgery.

that we invested actual draft picks on. There are a couple guys on the practice squad that sound interesting, but the frustration from my end, which I'm sure many others share, is that we haven't seemed to give guys like Brewer and Mosley a chance to get better with meaningful snaps. Both played reasonably well this preseason.

If you think they can get it done, then the trade has to be made. Beason might not be great, but we've got crap back there.

Personally, I was hoping they'd put in a claim for John Lotulelei from the Seahawks. Just saw that the Jax got him off waivers, I wonder if the Giants put in a claim and this was plan B.

LB's Bradford, Acho, and Powell are all on this roster.

If you want to start looking at the young guys...

Its very desperate and I dont like it. If your gonna make a trade I'd rather get somone like a Eugene Monroe(I dont mean him necessarliy )if hes available. A proven veteran who can help this team and maybe sign him long term if he plays well.

summed it up perfectly...

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Paul Schwartz ‏@NYPost_Schwartz 1m When this season started I figured the Giants would eventually trade for Chase Blackburn's backup. #nyg

except that he was benched for Chase Blackburn.

This wreaks of desperation.

Again, more frustration from not seeing draft picks get snaps in front of the decaying turnstiles we have at OL.

Anyone know what other LBs are available? For all we know, as mentioned, this could be a trade for a conditional pick depending on how many games Beason plays &/or production. Wouldn't get panties in a knot just yet. Have a feeling Herzlich's injury may be seen as long-term, in which case somebody has to be signed if the PS guys aren't viewed as any better than Beason, even w/ his past injuries.

practiced today. (See News and Notes)

Who we decided to let walk out in favor of Brandon Jacobs. Now we are trading for Chase Blackburns backup who is struggling with injuries. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING!!!!!!!!!

be the final nail in Reese's coffin.

is really going to swing Mara's opinion in one direction or the other.

Good lord...

he knows the offense and can pass block.

McGahee would need more work and time to get acclimated to the complex pass blocking reads the running backs have to do.

yards a carry behind a decent line.

I'm pretty sure you'd catch up on the protection schemes very quickly. It's new terminology, but it's not like they're thrown in there learning mandarin. McGahee likely wouldn't do shit behind our shit line anyways.

Brandon does not. U give Bramdon the ball 26 times and he would most likely be gone for the year.

Back to Beason............. Reese has undervalued the position for so long and now he looks like a fool trying to fill the void.

making a terrible situation worse. Not only has he been responsible for the downfall of this current team, but he is now ruining their future as well.

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Because we all know the restorative powers of a 7th round draft pick in the NFL.

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every pick counts. Why cant he accept that this team is really bad and try to fix it in the offseason? Is he trying to save face for the whole countdown clock thing? We just traded a pick for a washed up name player. This is a Jerry Jones type move, sorry but that's how I feel.

Ruining the future??? Come on. Im taking away all of your man cards!!! Relax!!! 0-4 has made BBI CRAZY!!!!!!! This head coach and GM have 2 Superbowls...one less than Brady and Belicheck. And prevented Brady and Belicheck from having 5 Superbowls.

Beason would fail the physical and save Reese from himself.

just the pick. It's that this trade indicates that Reese is delusional enough to think that this team is still good enough to make the playoffs. It freaks me out that this is the guy in charge of building the team.

Joe Person ‏@josephperson 2m
Beason on knee pain 2 weeks ago: "You have your good days, you have your bad days. When you pound on it, obviously you have that setback."

I say get him for a late pick and stash him for later when he is good and ready. It doesn't hurt, plus its less of a gamble than a 7th rd pick imo.

of course, I gave Bradshaw, Jacquian, Ward, Boss as examples of some solid late round selections..Bradshaw clearly being one of the better late round selections one can find, but it's definitely a rarity to find a Bradshaw in round 7..I'm not for or against the trade really...in general though I'm getting a bit sick of the reclamation projects and draft projects as well

I think Reese had some nice hits early, but lately not so much

But it this gamble works out and the Giants can get him back into playing the type of football he played the first 4 years, it's win situation..

I don't know why they're giving up any draft pick for Chase Blackburn's backup when they are 0-4.

horrible...might as well give Aaron Curry another shot. If anything, I'd rather him pick up some O-line help.

http://espn.go.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/892/blackburn-officially-ahead-of-beason?ex_cid=espnapi_public

I suggested the Giants should make a run at him in the offseason, so to now see this deal go thru, I am very happy.
Yeah he's been injured the last few years, however...unlike Rivers, when Beason was good, he was really good...Pro Bowl good, he's worth the risk of a late round pick, especially given the sorry state of the LBers on the roster.

let's wait on the pending physical before we really start complaining.

and now he is paying for it.

With the cap savings, he might have been able to dish out two backloaded contracts to a vet guard and LBer. Not pro bowlers but guys who are competent.

By keeping Snee's absurd 12 million dollar cap hit, Reese instead limited himself to guys who would take the minimum, which means basically a shot in the dark.

And the worst part is that the Giants will have to take Snee's dead money hit next year. Throw in Baas's dead money next year and now you are screwing up two seasons.

And you know what the irony is? Deep inside, Coughlin probably would have been relieved. The man has been in football for almost 50 years. Most of us at BBI knew Snee was done. You don't think Coughlin knew it too? But how can you ask a guy to take money from his grandkids? That's why Reese should have done it.

And, finally, the real lesson is: As good as Snee has been, drafting or hiring a family remember of the coach will eventually lead to complications. Giants are learning that the hard way now.

He missed all of training camp recovering from an ACL. He probably should have started the season on PUP and slowly brought himself back. If he could recover from this in a month from now, he could end up being a solution to a problem we have had since pierce left the giants.

He can take the next 2 weeks off and rest his knee while learning the playbook. We then insert him and see what we got. If he has any sort of positive impact, my gut feeling says he stays on the giants. It's a low risk high reward deal.

is a moron so this must be a good move. If only he could play OL

he probably gets released or traded because (if its true) he has a large cap hit next year

ala Bennett? might be worth keeping him though if said scenario plays out

Two games out of the division with horrible linebackers. Why squander the opportunity to draft future HOFers like Mike Cox (can't beat out darell scott) Kuhn (iron man) and Michael Johnson! Awesome logic

didn't want to re-sign Blackburn for 900k when he was the second leading tackler on the team last year, now they want the guy he just beat out on his new team. Should of never gotten rid of chase

I have no idea what Reese is doing anymore. None.

microfracture surgery, why don't they re-sign Kenny Phillips? They can get him for pocket change.

Of signed Karlos Dansby instead of that waste Connor this passed offseason. Since Reese has been here he has done a terrible job when it comes to line backers. Kawika Mitchell was probably his best move at the position.

Jerry Reese doesn't consult with me on personnel moves. All I can do is enjoy the games, root for the Giants and hope that Benson has something left in the tank.

MLB, but he was smart and had a nose for the ball.

It might surprise people to know that, in addition to leading the team in total tackles, Blackburn had 3 sacks, 1 pick, and 5 forced fumbles. That's almost equal to Kiwanuka's forced fumbles in seven seasons.

who keep pointing out that Beason is Blackburn's backup aren't really getting it. As others have said, he had ACL surgery and missed most of training camp. He's being brought back slowly. No way in holy hell Blackburn beats out Beason if all things are equal.

They let Blackburn walk and have now traded for a guy whose job he took on his new team. That's just...I don't even know. What I do know is that unless he can also play G it's not gonna do a bit about the tiny issue of being utterly incapable of scoring outside of the big play.

and there's certainly risk. The guy's coming off a serious injury. How many people thought Terrell Thomas was worth more than a sack of beans before the season started but he seems to be playing at a pretty high level again. Guys do heal.

This is from Rivera's mouth. " Coach Ron Rivera said on Wednesday that Blackburn was the likely starter for Sunday's game at Arizona, and that Beason needed more time to get in football shape after offseason microfracture knee surgery."

That doesn't sound like Blackburn "took" Beason's spot. Seems to me more like Beason just isn't ready yet. Just like JPP and countless others on our roster right now. However, if he could come back the upside is enormous. I get that all our picks are valuable but Im not crying over a 6th or 7th round pick. We need help at the Lber position. We all know that.

...by the Giants with a stench of desperation wafting off this trade. If you somehow still believe this team has a legit shot at the playoffs, then just wait a week or two.

but I have no problem with this trade. The bulk of our 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks over the last few years have been irrelevant. And while few (Bradshaw for example), have matriculated to starting roles, most end up as career back-ups while some never even make the team. Yes the guys got some injuries, but he's 28 years old, he went to the probowl in '08, '09, and 2010, and he's likely already one of the better linebackers on our team (though I know that's not saying much). I like the move overall, low risk with some potential for payoff. My only question/concern is, what does his contract look like?

and I've been one of the loudest with regards to needing linebackers but right now it makes so much more sense to get OL help.

I dont get this at all. Fire Reese. Fire everyone.

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beason would be listed as DNP and out for the next six games if the trade does happen

Legit. They already have him listed as a Giant

pick is a little premature, don't you think? He hasn't done anything but successfully field a few punts without fumbling so far.

So it doesn't really matter

risk potentially high reward if Benson regains his form. I don't see the issue.

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of this move...

for a stop gap...

As we are all aware the Giants in their history have very rarely made this type of move unless it was a sure thing. They value all of their draft picks like they are guarding Fort Knox. I know When they went after Eli people said they gave up too much to get him. Well, that worked out pretty well.

To see them make this kind of move really does not reflect well on Reese. All things considered itt smacks of panic. Hopefully it works out because when at his best Beason has been a dynamic linebacker. But the truth is Reese is starting to look like awfully desperate. Like he his throwing shit against the wall in hopes it sticks.

In Reese We Trust

has run out of steam?


I'm not going to cry over next year's low draft pick. I might cry over who we have to ditch to make roster space this year. I'll definitely cry if we have to borrow money from next year's cap (restructure someone)to make this move, or the next move (because we spent our already borrowed money on this move), possible.

You've actually seen a draft before, right? You know what they call the guy at the end of that round?

And for those of you throwing around TT - if he were on another team and we acquired him for a 7th, would that be a bad move?

This isn't Rivers or Curry - those guys were BUSTS. That was a failed attempt at taking guys who never panned out and seeing if a change of scenery would make things better. This is different - this is a guy who has performed at a high level over multiple seasons in this league, but whose body hasn't held up the past couple of seasons. If we indeed traded a late round pick (6th or 7th) for him, to see if he can hold up, it's not a bad move.

According to 101 its a 5th rounder

And the Snee restructure would indicate that the move was made for an acquisition like this, so it's already on the books. The only question now is who gets cut, but I get the sinking feeling a couple of guys are headed to IR.

wow. This feels weird.

Let's wait and see what the terms are before we panic.

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for Beason is a bad deal. A 7th, I could see. A 5th?

...somebody is gonna get run over.

I thought beason was as good as willis before he got hurt. A move to the gmen could be just what he needs.

Beason couldn't sniff Willis' jock. He was a pretty damn good LB before he started getting injured. Now he can't stop getting injured and he is no longer a pretty damn good LB.

Give up a pick for a lb w bad knee..can
he play OL...fix the Line and Eli will score
30 and our D will play better

I live in Charlotte and hear the noise about Beason. Too many injuries, significant ones. He's done as a starter folks. He's lost quickness and mobility. This is weird.

any pick for a guy coming off major surgery who may or may not play in a one year rental status? In other words we trade for him and he might not play a down. Sounds desperate to me.

I give a 5th rd pick for a player who was beat out by Blackburn, a 7th grudgingly. We are talking about a player who had microsurgery, just seems like a desperation move.

Reese has been able to do anything in the draft over the past couple of years. So its really a wash as far as I'm concerned.

More than a lb....t2 may be playing cb
This week...eagles will blow us out

Microfracture knee surgery and a couple blown achilles.

late round picks are chosen for potential. Whn Beason heals, the potential is a pro-bowler. He's been there, when he gets healthy he will be our best linebacker.
Even at 0-4, the season is not over. 1 win this week and a Dallas loss puts us 1 game behind in the division.
In 2007, 1 play, the 88 yard run by Bradshaw, changed the destiny of that team.
In 2011, 1 play, the 99 yard reception by Cruz, changed the destiny of that team.
Without those 2 plays both of those seasons would probably have been over at the end of the regular season. Two plays in two different years.
My point is, we don't know if, how or when this team will turn this season around. It may only take 1 play, from 1 playmaker, to break us out of this funk. Can Beason be that playmaker?
As fans, all we can do is support our team with hope and enthusiasm. Maybe the fat lady is warming up for the Giants, but winners don't quit and quitters don't win.

Season's over....

we give up a 7th, then it's a "what's to lose" scenario..He is so physically damaged and slow, I don't know where to start..Carlos Emmons redux, anybody?

he's, "got to be better than what we have."

You realize Webster didn't play last week? And that Thomas has been playing in all 4 of our games as our nickel CB and hasn't looked like complete dogshit? Come on bro.

it, even if it's just for a seventh.

All picks are valuable.

Beason is no longer anywhere near the player he was just a few years ago. A blown achilles, ACL, and microfracture surgery. He was benched for Chase Blackburn, a guy we didn't even try and resign.

We pay anything for a one year rental?

We also could have brought up Acho from the PS if necessary.

This reeks of desperation, and an admission by the FO that they entirely fucked up the LB position.

he just had microfracture surgery. until proven otherwise, this is just a name acquisition like Curry, Rivers only he is more physically damaged. I doubt he passes his physical.

A 5th rounder for a dude who couldn't even beat out Blackburn?

If that's the case, oy vey.

in the last 3 years...

is Jerry doing? Coughlin only plays aging, broken down veterans instead of younger players. So now Jerry is going to go out and give up draft choices to get them?

It is another Rivers situation, and that sucked.

terrible trade. Guy is a rental, hurt, etc.

Hoping he doesn't pass physical.

But I'm waiting to see if that's actually the case before I get too worked up.

I'd dreamed this. Nope.

and then put him on IR and wait until next year.

This team is bad... very bad...

I would just go with Bradford and Acho. Hell, a street FA LB is better than Beason. Healthier, and doesn't cost a draft pick.

This is the same thing as the Keith Rivers trade.

Calm down folks.

Well, minus being -1 year removed from micro-fracture surgery.

Ugh.

Chase Blackburn was cut because the Giants felt they had better options are MIKE than Blackburn. No one here argued with that or thought the strategy was flawed.

Blackburn was signed by CAR and he beat out their incumbent MIKE.

So then the Giants trade a 5th? round pick for the guy Blackburn beat out.

And that's supposed to improve the team?

This reeks of panic, and I'm NOT one who values draft picks as much as the rest of you. I think they're a crapshoot and I'd trade late round picks for established veterans any time. But they need to be quality veterans and improve your team. I'm not so sure that's the case here.

Is all I can say, if it's true that we gave up a 5th rounder. 5th round picks have pretty high value in general and it appears we'll be picking in the top 5 or 6 of the round. Frustrating. You wonder if Reese has confidence in himself to make a quality pick at that spot.

If we didn't get on a run after finishing a unimpressive 9-7 two years ago,most of us here would be calling for Reese's head. His work of late is pretty awful. Now he is trading for players with serious injuries because he's NEVER addressed the position in seven years.

PLease stop. This is enough discussion about a washed up LB that might not even pass a physical with our team. Reese is tighter than a snare drum. Whatever he gives up I'm sure he fought for a better deal and got ultimately his BEST deal possible. He's a bargain shopper, who doesn't shop at Food For Less. But shops at name brand and looks for clothes on clearance as opposed to paying full price.

Lets end this discussion already!!!

Sure he was no superstar but he made plays...

Better than the ghosts we now trot out there every sunday

toast after his microfracture surgery and we go out and get a frequently injured LB who had the same surgery. This is madness. A fifth rounder is too much to give away. This is just another indictment of how badly the organization's off season plan has gone off the rails.

near kenny phillips' condition.

Kenny's knee was degenerative, and they were talking about it being a bone on bone condition.

I don't think this is the same - it seems as if Beason was babying the knee, maybe they felt that he didn't give it his all after rehab.

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"insider" knowledge when we play the Carolina Panthers.

oops

because we don't know the details of the trade yet.

But I don't like this trade because it's for a LB when what we need are good O-line players.

In Reece we bust!

Reese holds on to the pick next year and drafts a LB there will be 30 new threads that he is using to late a draft pick on a LB. It is never ending

You got it boss, we'll totally end the discussion because you said so. That's how BBI works!

if he drafted a LB worth a grain of salt in the 5th round everyone would be happy and the team would be better for it.

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just kidding... i mean the move doesnt look smart now but can look good if he performs on a different team... its happened before but i dont make the decisions..


good grant me the serenity to accept the things i cannot change...

this in mind too:

(1) if we continue to suck, whatever pick will be a high pick in that round.

(2) this is supposed to be a VERY good draft.

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Thats the real question. Reece continues to blow it at the linebacker position and is now in desparation mode. Why draft Jon Hankins in round 2 when you let go your starting linebackers go?? You already signed Jenkins, Rogers and Patterson. We couldnt afford the luxury of drafting another DT. He should have drafted a lb or another ol and kept Austin another year. He could have been the same guy as Hankins, a guy who doesnt suit up Sundays unless there are injuries. Reece has become a joke.

Giants article fyi.

I can't believe the Giants would trade away a 5th for this guy.

the full thread, but how can we afford him with our cap?

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If for nothing more than to restore the little faith I have in the organization right now.

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But how do you get Bengals out of Giants? Brain freeze?

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Maybe JLC was out at the clubs a bit too late.

Giants apparently had a first round grade on Hankins. I think his selection is or was related to their desire to resign Nicks. They probably knew it would be difficult to resign both Nicks and Joseph. So they tried to get a replacement for Joseph at least one year in advance. Joseph and Hankins come across as basically the same type of DT, namely run stuffers with limited pass rush ability.

Resigning Nicks may have rightly been a higher priority at the time of the draft, but Joseph should be now IMO. He is healthier and will be cheaper.

Best player available

meant to create leverage with the Bengals.

Nicks now while healthy,,we womt give him 10M
and he will walk

you had a need to build at DT, and he was BPA.

Drafting is simple, don't overdraft for perceived needs at LB especially when you run a 4-3 with needs at DL and DB.

there are no shortage of undrafted players that provide more value then 7th round picks.

That philosophy has us a 0-4.

it has to be

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Because Rogers and Patterson were not sure things, and after the performance of our interior DL last season, we needed to bring in as many bodies as possible. You also seem to forget that the draft is not about filling immediate holes... with Joseph in a contract year, we now have someone in place should he leave.

Just reported it on their 20 minute update.

Draft better players, don't start reaching and compounding the mistakes of drafting projects.

He's doing well in the 1st, batting about .500 in the 2nd, and generating little from there on.

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have no idea of Beasons health and sit at their computer thinking they know more than doctors and Reese. Its absolutley insane to me. All people can point out is how many games he has played. Not how he has looked while playing but just how many games played. Hes better than herlizch with one leg. Personally, I wont judge this trade until I see the guy play. I would of prefered to see Bradford as he does look very intriguing.

" Draft better players " Really ?

beason played WLB there which is where c.blackburn beat him out.

beason will play MLB for us

We all knew rivers was garbage. Just sayin

when Derrick Ward and the running game torched him and the Panthers for over 300 yards on the ground. that was a great game.

Those " perceived needs ", at linebacker have us reaching for Beason now.

Yes, draft better players. Poor drafting (and injuries, and productive vets aging rapidly) is why this roster is weakened.

Pro personnel drafts to a draft's inherent strengths, and they prioritize based on the schemes the deploy. Thus, a 4-3 defense requires assets to be devoted to the DL and DB firstly. If they grade a DT higher than an LB, they're going to draft the DT. This is logical.

You can debate they've not done enough to address the LB unit on the whole over a period of time, clearly. But, in a salary cap league with some star players and big cap hits already onboard, you're going to be lean at some positions.

It's now being reported that the initial rumor may be incorrect and now Beason is now being traded to the Bengals for a late rounder?

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and agree they should be paying more attention to the LB unit, but they should've been looking at LB in free agency if the needs were deemed that urgent. You don't look at the 2013 draft and pick players expecting them to play in 2013.

On the thread where detroit wss a good trading partner I said I would rather trade with carolina for beason.....nice.

That and metrocard gets me a train ride.

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they're still gonna have 7+ picks even if they traded one for beason because of comp picks

they lost bennett/tynes/osi/phillips/blackburn/hixon

they signed brown/myers/murphy/mundy

Soon...

the move. This season is not over in this atrocious division. Bringing in beason is an upgrade from our LB's. Nobody is saying he is going to be a star, which is why you only give up a late round pick for him.

You're not getting a good player at this point in the season. So Reese made a move that could slightly improve the team and gave up very little in return. Unlike fans, people who work with the team just don't give up and say the hell with the season, they have to do what they can to help the team win as much as possible. A late round pick to take a flyer on a guy that was a pro bowl player before an injury is not the worst thing in the world. Sometimes a change in scenery is all a guy needs to improve. That is exactly what Pittsburgh is hoping w/ the Levi Brown trade.

A great trade? No. There is not going to be 1 at this point. But its not nearly as bad as many here are making it out to be. It's a low risk trade.

We'd be better off signing LB John Lotulelei, recently dropped by SEA, for nothing.

More of the same from Reese on the LB front -- old, injured has beens.

good call. nobody even brought that up.

Even if the trade goes through they might still end up with 8-9 draft day picks.

except the jaguars claimed him off of waivers.

Wreaks of desperation?? Can't eleve I read that close to 15 times on this thread. God forbid they attempt to improve the roster by trading away 7th rounders! NJGiantFan post made me feel better at least.

released Osi he doesn't count in comp pick calculations.

considering it going to be a 7th rounder. I can guarantee it won't be a 5th rounder.

I still don't undertand why the Giants didn't sign Daryl Smith this offseason. They certainly could have made his $2 million dollar salary work by signing one or two less of the minimum contracts they gave out to awful players.

In Jerry I trust, but the last 12 months has not been his finest.

and at this pace it'll be a significant pick.

Agreed.

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I think it's more about the contract Bennett signed than it is about his on-field performance.

I know there is some performance stuff built in, but I think it's weighed less than the contract.

Your free agent additions less your losses.

Last year the Giants did not have a net loss, but still received a pick though because the league HAS to give out 32 picks each year.

so, if not a lot of teams had net free agent losses the Giants could still get a decent pick.

had to wait until the new league year started before signing with another team

to take apart all week AND the day that BBI turned savagely on Jerry ("In Reese We Trust") Reese.

isn't the cost, assuming it's a seventh rounder, it's the fact that we traded anything for an injured, aging, veteran. Doing so continues the infuriating pattern of collecting these players instead of building with those who are younger and healthier.

This is especially bad since we are 0-4. It's like we're the "Over the Hill Gang" of Redskins from the 70s. We have Acho on the PS. He is healthier and younger, and if he can't play, at least we'll know that when the season ends.

How are younger players ever going to get a chance if they're constantly displaced by has beens like Diehl, Snee, Baas, Boothe, Cordle, Tuck, and now apparently Beason?

If you're loving this, too bad we can't send you back in time to the 70's.

There going to be looking for a WLB in a few weeks.

Giants had a voidable year on Osi for 2013 that they voided. I think that's considered the same as a release.

Maybe someone knows definitively.

Could be a 6th , and performance-based 5th (though it should be 1 round lower to start).I hope, anyway.
If I have the right guy, he's also a vocal-type leader.
This should go well with our existing LBs: "You guys aren't better than a one-legged, busted up circus dog".

Gettleman taking advantage of his former pupil. I can only imagine the grin on his face when he heard the desperation in Jerry's voice over the phone.

beason has some of that antonio pierce in him, as far as being a vocal leader on and off the field

as long as he's an upgrade over Herzlich on the Tampa 2 drop and instincts hes an upgrade for us, and thats all that matters.

other way around, at least from 2004 on.

at this point?! Are they keeping it on lock until physical is passed?

are praising Gettleman, forgetting of course that he was the director of pro personnel responsible for scouting and recommending FA signings.

everything about this season sucks..

If NY loses to Philly.....

I went through that with the Jints and I don't want to do it again.

I've read about 20 articles, none of them mentions a 5th rounder. They all say 'late round pick'.

The only one that mentions a 5th rounder is referring to the 2012 trade with the Bengals where we sent our 5th for Keith Rivers.

Is the trade a done deal or continued speculation?

but are pending Beason passing a physical. All of them also mention a 'late round pick'.

I read pending physical. So Beason probably needs to fly to NY, get in front of the doctors, have an exam, and then based on the results they'd agree to the trade.

thanks guys

repetitive bad drafts won't happen again the way you fear(at least not likely during our lifetimes).
This was a wake-up year for ownership, FO, and coaching:
Football has changed, and loyalty to a player must be cut short by practicality; and, the game is about bigger stronger and faster, about youth, with veterans at key positions. The Giants recognized that somewhat last offseason and were hoping they could adequately ride out 1 more year, but now realize they should have made those type moves after SB46. Organization and fans are paying the price this year, and likely may somewhat next year.
Am upset,like most everyone, in what all management has done with hoping for 'projects' and 'upside potential', and 'reclamation' players to pan-out, but as for me, in Reese I still trust.

But whatever it is, it's more expensive than keeping Chase Blackburn. I've never understood why the front office kept looking to get rid of him, especially with the way they hang onto other non-All Pro players. I understand the desire to upgrade the position, but he was a capable reserve at basically the vet minimum.

have much left.

You could do worse than Chase Blackburn (see: NYG current linebackers). I wanted to keep him. He has his faults, but he seemed to have a nose for the ball and created opportunities when it mattered.

or so someone posted that hertzlich couldn't walk right or something like that. I suspect the poster meant that hertzlich's gait was impaired. That poster was attacked again and again and the "walking" comment became a typical bbi repeated phrase site joke. an example of mob mentality that frequently appears here.

well, now hertzlich may have a gait, but he sure as hell can't run or cover. Hertzlich was going to be a savior at lb'er, 'fraid not. Great story does not mean great football player at the NFL level.

giants don't have a mlb except for paysinger and he's forced to play the Olb and plays it pretty well. Before we go crazy about this purported trade, let's see if it goes through and what the lb'er looks like on the field.

They are called the Giants.

It is spelled G-I-A-N-T-S.

is slefrak?

60/70%?

I'm going to say 100% on that.

or almost?
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If we get any crackpot diagnoses, we'll know it's our guy

that would be disappointing. Why would he or any long termer change their handles?

against the Bucs.
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to see if a physical happens at which point the deal becomes official and they'll announce the terms.

simply re-printing Mike G's source, which was probably Glazer.

Didn't read through entire thread so may have missed your thoughts on Beason..

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The only LB I lamented over when he signed elsewhere was Daryl Smith..I thought he'd have been a great addition for a few years

Piles of serious leg injuries. A pending physical would be interesting and revealing.

But, it seemed the Bengals were rumored to be the suitor more recently, which would appear to make NYG a leverage pawn.

even if the Giants wanted him back, I doubt it would've been for more than the vet minimum. His deal with the Panthers was for 2 yrs/$2.05M which is slightly above the vet mins.

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100%.

Interesting trade if they can get anything out of him

that this is a move for NEXT season? perhaps Beason isn't fully healed yet but he should be/will be next season, at which time he'd be a pretty good addition to our LB corps.

just a thought.

screw a late rd pick , this guy will get the job done.

been finished for years now. The best we can do is hope that he can be ready NEXT year?

cap hit the next three seasons.

Not sure what accelerating the bonuses into this year would do to those numbers, probably knock them down a little.

but Jon Beason in 2013 and beyond is not a $10M per year football player.

and I don't say it to knock JR, but to tell it like it is. We ARE desperate. I don't like the move because Beason is so beaten up (see link) it looks like he is going to be on IR soon himself. This is really simple to figure. We made some gambles on the OL.....for some young people to be ready and for some vets to have gas left in the tank. We rolled snake eyes. Our defense has been pretty good actually, but injuries have hit, as always. I would prefer to fight like hell, let some young people get experience, and roll the bones that way. This is a very un-Giant like move to get Beason.
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...it was a rumor. Sad, simply sad how the wheels have fallen off.

we don't give up another 5th for a guy that's not productive and will be hittting the streets after another season. I know Beason was a great LB a few years ago, and if he got beat out by Chase Blackburn, there is clearly a problem with him. Buyer BEWARE!

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Paysinger, Beason, Bradford

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fans on Reddit think this was a great trade for us. They think he still has Pro Bowl football in him and that he is a great leader. Was playing out of position because of Kuechly.

Reddit is one hell of a scout.

half of him is better than damn well all the LB's we have. Barrow and Pierce came to us late also and earned their worth over time.

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We may need him as a rb

Most fans will remember him pre-injury, which doesn't tell us much of his current abilities.

Let's see if he passes a physical to complete a trade. Even then, leg injuries tend to pile up and or slow a player down rather than go away.

These guys just get there late all the time. Beason can read a play while the guys here right now cannot.

Ruined I say because we just lost a 6th round draft pick..Oh the pain of this is too much..

Our physical...our Dr s suck.....
Then he will break leg next week

make sure that he "passes" the physical. Then we'll put him on IR next week.

The three things that they have created the current mess are:

1. Free agent signings that were either bad (Baas) or did not work out because of injuries (Canty). If you look at the per dollar production the Giants received from their FA signings it is incredibly poor.

2. Holding on to aging, high-priced veterans too long. There was obvious nepotism with Snee, so we really should not count that because it won't be repeated. But Tuck, Boley, Webster all had high-cap years in which they delivered nothing. It's tough to cut a guy who helped you win, but that is unfortunately what you have to do.

3. Too many backloaded contracts and restructured contracts that make players "uncuttable" because of the cap hit. All NFL teams do this but Giants have been veering into Raiders territory with some of their contracts.

You can't just say things(well, yes you can, it's the interwebs)with out facts to support them.

The docs don't suck just because one or two players, out of the hundreds who have played here recently, didn't recover the way some fans wanted them to.

He retracted.

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Giants.com. I think the trade sucks. Lump it in with Keith Rivers, Arrington, etc. Another broken down guy who had potential 5 yrs ago. He's 28 and injury prone. What makes them think he'll get better now? I don't understand the thought process.

again, contingent upon physical.

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Rivera says the trade benefits both the Giants and the Panthers, but also gives Beason an opportunity to play.

If we made this move at 3-1 or 4-0 people would love it.

I think people are using this opportunity to criticize Reese rather than analyze it rationally.

Guy has played 8 games in 3 seasons.

they stayed put they would have had their choice of Khaseem Greene, Sean Porter or Gerald hodges, all of whom made their respective teams. And they gave up an extra pick to get him. Now on top of it, they waste another pick to get yet another injury prone player who due to injury can't live up to his potential. Really stupid planning on JRs part in this case.

The roster appears set to be almost completely turned over with only a few guys appearing to be certain to be Giants in 2014. The league is designed to allow teams to rebuild quickly.

We have some known quantities in Eli, Cruz, Prince, Beatty, Randle, maybe Pugh, and maybe a couple others. The big question is how are other recent draftees going to develop and will they get the opportunity this year?

Also, what are we going to do about Nicks and JPP? Right now the smart move seems to be to let each walk. I wonder if financially it's possible to trade JPP.

Give me a Mathews or Lewan as our first pick, slide Beatty to RT and Pugh to RG and all of a sudden, the OL looks a lot better.

I am more worried about the future of our DL than our OL.

looks much better. his best pro position is LT or C imo

Somewhere he has zero experience playing in a game at.

#lolsthomas

Rivers, Curry, all LB'ers that were top ten picks but can't play football.

They're still young....

was his versatility.

But I really hope that doesn't mean Pugh plays a new position every 10 games or so. I want him to find his best position ASAP and stay there.

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like Curry, Connors, et. al?

I don't like the deal due to injury concerns, but at least Beason was a highly effective player in this league at one point. Talent isn't an issue here, at all.

we're here to bitch?

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Same could be applied to an undrafted player, etc.

Your conclusion may be right, but I disagree with that line of reasoning.

hurt in 2011 he hasn't been the same player. CAR was wise to dump him off for anything they could get. If he was the pre-injury Beason he would never have seen the trade market.

but is no longer healthy enough to play at that level. Kind of similar to LaVar Arrington, in that respect.

One difference is that when healthy, he is a proven commodity. For his current team to give up on him for a low pick, it certainly suggests that he's not near his old self.

Doesn't mean it can't work out for us...but I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting for him to make an impact.

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Rivers, Curry, Bullock have all provided nothing.

I don't expect anything. We gave up a 6-7 rounder and we'll probably get one back back plus a mid rounder in compensatory.


It's basically a free trial.

"The trade is simply trying to get something out of nothing. It was clear Beason couldn't contribute in 2013 the way the team had hoped and his release was around the corner. It's a sad day, but the move makes a lot of sense."

At least his contract is up after this season. THe trade makes no sense from the Giants standpoint.
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calls for similar attributes as Left Tackle.

Yes - those points are all reasonable - I just disagreed with your 1:33 reasoning and knew you had better reasons that you were holding back from us. :)

I think it's a low-risk, moderate reward move. Hard to have strong feelings against it from my perspective.

the most combined ACL surgeries in NFL history

This is not going to be a good season for the Giants so whatever you do you don't trade away draft picks for someone who best day a well behind him. Someone fire the guy who mite have made this trade. Maybe we all get lucky and Benson fail his physical. Giants dump a healthy Blackburn who in turn take over for Benson due to his injuries and then the Giants make a trade for Benson. Now you know why this is a bad season for the Giants. Stupid Moves.

Steve Smith, Terrel Thomas, william Beatty, Linval Joseph, Rueben Randle

Clint Sintim, Marvin Austin

I will take that 50-50 any time

What hurts is the 3rd round. ALford hurt and done after 1 year and C Jones never playing

To me a 7th is basically an UDFA. Easy to get that back by trading back a few spots elsewhere. With UDFAs like Chase, Cruz Ballard, they can fill out the roster.

realize less then 5% of 7th rounders ever make an NFL roster. Quit your crying about draft picks when you have no clue what your crying about.

Burns me though that he can't get on the field ahead of Blackburn.

it's not just the draft pick. This shows that Reese thinks he built a good enough roster to be a playoff team. That absolutely terrifies me.

..a significant upgrade, trading any pick at 0-4 doesn't make sense. The team needs to get better at that position and I hope Reese knows something more than the obvious.

Thats great you feel that way but if the front office had this attitude it would be disgraceful and they wouldn't have won those last two super bowls. If its only a 7th rounder lets come down. 7th rounders are great and all but for every Ahmad Bradshaw theres about 30 other guys taken in the round that will have no impact on the teams that draft them.

thats great!

The currency of hope.

to the ACL All-Stars.

Hasn't been good in 3 years and was beat out by the exceedingly mediocre chase Blackburn. Oh and the giants are very unlikely to play meaningful games this year so future assets are relatively more valuable to them than present ones.

Those are facts. I'm not sure how they can be disagreed with.

Versatile enough to play a different position on the O-line every year but after 8 or 9 years, he won't be able to play any one position to the satisfaction of BBI.

The odds of getting an asset in rounds 6-7 are low. They have always been low. They always will be low. They are low for every team.

a pick in rounds six or seven is not an asset. it's a lottery scratch off. Most times you lose, sometimes you luck into a $15 winner.

similar to the one that brought us Mike Barrow. If I recall people thought he was done after an injury too?!

If you are optimistic and hold out hope for success this season, you won't find any fault with trading a #7 pick for a player now. People in this camp generally don't pay attention to the percentages, they push all their emotional chips into this pile.

If you aren't optimistic on this season, your view shifts to 2014 and preserving assets for the offseason options and draft. You recognize the percentages are very low this season, you're more pragmatic and mentally prepared to cut bait and build towards the future.

Neither is wrong, but which is more likely?

which is sorely needed in the middle of this defense.
A lot of you will have a change of heart once he gets on the filed. I am a fan of this move.

mainly because it's an injured player (we have enough of those don't we??) and he's a free agent next year. Most likely, this is a rental.

But.....the Giants realize they are quite substandard at LB and need help just to surrive this season. That's the reason for the move.

Sometimes you have to patch a hole so the ship doesn't completely sink.

I believe most of the hand wringing was over it possibly being a 5th

will probably do the trade down/accumulation thing in the upcoming draft so the loss of this pick is basically meaningless to me.

I have no issue with the trade at all. For every Ahmad Bradshaw, there are a dozen guys who don't even make the practice squad.

Beason might be damaged goods, but nothing wrong with taking a flier on a 28 year old 100+ tackle a year guy (before injuries) as the Giants have no one on the roster who fits that description. To everyone feeling negative about the trade, don't get wrapped up in what the Giants are giving up. More concerning is that JR feels the need to make this move at all. I suspect this means, Williams, Rivers, and Herzlich are likely not part of the future plan. This may not surprise many, but if Beason is bring brought in because Williams (in particular) and Rivers cannot get it done, then our LBs are even worse than our worst fears. Williams was supposed to at least be a nickel and dime package LB, but he is always hurt and has been invisible this year. Rivers has just never lived up to his measureables.

Anyone think Beason is being brought in to play MLB in the base alignment?

I just finished my first 3 rounds of next year smock using WWW.first-pick.com

Pick 1.1. I traded down 1 spot to steels and acquired the 1.2 plus 2.2 of Pitt

Pick 1.2 I traded down 4 spots to 6th and acquired more picks. I now am set with (2) 1st end picks (3) 2nd runs and (2) 3rds

1a Anthony Barr LB UCLA
1b Tony Richardson OT Tenn
2a: anthonynSteen OG Alabama
2b: Aaron Colbin CB Oklahoma
2c: Craig Lostin SS LSU
3a: Adrian Hubbard LB UCLA
3b: WR Allen Robertson Penn St

Have more fun doing this than watching us lose

you really haven't done much for the ship.

1. The physical state of Beason
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2. Even in said state He instantly becomes our best LB

He'll be playing MIKE here, no doubt.

somehow,

Now I'd settle for the Black Unicorn of LBs.

Kinda what I figured