Jon Beason traded to the Giants?

And Williams and Sash had roles on a Super Bowl team. Might not be stars or starters, but they were here multiple seasons and had roles.

Absolutely nothing, but all the Reese apologists will say that he is a draft god despite his terrible track record.

than boom. Bradshaw was nice, just like the Pats picking Brady was a sweet find for them, but for every 1 of those guys you're discarding two dozen run of the mill 6th/7th rounders.

I'm against the move, but mostly because I think we're done this year. Why anyone would be optimistic we could still make some noise, but think this is a bad move, is beyond me. I don't like dumping picks for washed up LBs by any stretch, but we've got garbage out there. If he's an improvement and you think we're still alive, you have to pull the trigger.

I would almost prefer using Bradford in that spot.

Though I will say, lumping Beason in with Curry and Rivers is a little unfair, he is coming off a tough injury and surgery, but Beason has at least performed very well at the pro level - the other two guys can't say that.

Having said that, I don't get the deal...

I think it shows a few things

1) the Giants are desperate
2) this was the best that was available
3) their current in house options were awful + Herzlich could be hurt worse than we know
4) with the NFC East sucking, the Giants aren't ready to give up on the season, even at 0-4

We've seen this with Reese for a while now, he goes for these older LBs to see if he can squeeze anything out of them. This feels like a Keith Bulluck type move to me.

had zero contribution to that super bowl year

I'm hardpressed to get angry at this waste of a 6th or 7th rounder, by comparison.

thats an ignorant comment...

Kuhn was the #3 DT on this team before he tore his ACL. Michael Johnson played in over 160 games, including two seasons as a full time starter.

Cox looks like our #2 back of the future.

Considering they are staring a top 5 pick dead in the eyes.

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We wasted two picks on a QB in the 4th Kyle : 11:54 pm : link : Delete I'm hardpressed to get angry at this waste of a 6th or 7th rounder, by comparison.

That train of thought is how teams get bad in a hurry.

of DT talent on the team last year than anything else.

What position? CF?

:)

Even the ball boy.

was a solid player his rookie year but I would necessarily say he was a great 7th round pick. The Giants gave him every opportunity to take the safety job but the guy made a lot of mental mistakes and held on to that job longer than he should have. I think the jury is still out on Cox and Kuhn though Kuhn did flash last year. I tend to remember Stoney Woodson, DeAndre Wright, Andre Woodson, Rhett Bomar, Adam Koets, Matt Mcants, Eric Herman. 6th and 7th Round picks are a crapshoot. Not to say I agree with the trade because I dont but this team needs to do more than bank on a 7th round pick working out...This team need to sign a couple of big time free agents next year like Alex Mack and Aqib Talib.

Of course there are boom-and-bust picks in rounds 6 and 7 (and picking late in rounds 6 and 7). But the point is you do hit on quite a few of those.

Again, you get seven picks. Each one is critical.

I want these guys to be good players but I don't think we gain anything by overstating their ability.

please tell me what sash did specifically to contribute to the SB year? He was a 3rd/4th stringer who amassed 7 tackles in 4 post season games

I understand each pick counts but look at how many picks just don't pan out. We need help now. It's a risk on both ends. A draft pick???And a former pro bowler who has injury concerns who may pan out?? Both risks.

Can't agree with you at all.

If you get a two-year starter at safety with a 7th round pick, that's a great pick for where you got it. Johnson also started 5 regular season games in 2007 and had a role in the secondary on the Super Bowl team.

Just because a guy isn't here 10 years doesn't mean it's not a great pick for where you got him (7th round).

43 total tackles in the past 3 seasons. he is broken. I understand the desperation but they are better off taking a flier on a LB who is younger and healthier in the draft.

Kuhn was a better player than you give him credit for. The Giants are hoping he can regain his form.

Are about the same as a 7th round pick being productive for us. I think our season is donezo so I'd rather keep as many picks as possible, but I don't see this as a huge deal.

Wasn't a good player by any stretch of the imagination. He had 111 tackles and 2 INTs in 49 games played and 35 started.

doesnt knock a ball out of someones hand in Green Bay in 2007.. Giants might not have tworings.. just sayin..

Johnson played in over 160 (regular season and postseason) during his Giants career with 35 regular season starts.

but as was said a 7th rounder that can give you 2 seasons as a starter isn't a bad player based on draft placement.

He wasnt a steal or a stud by any means but he was very solid as a backup in 2007.

teams? You don't pick up Bradshaws on a consistent basis that late into the draft. Look at how long it took a guy like Darelle Scott to see the field, those 6th rounders are not starters, and their only shot at contributing would be on special teams. I'm indifferent about this trade, I'm really weary of buying back refurbished, beaten down linebackers.

I agree, but I have to trust there must be something Reese thinks he can bring to the team.

Them trading doesn't worry me too much (so long as we're talking 6th or 7th - if this is a 5th, I'll be pissed).

What concerns me is the worst unit on this team seems to be the OL, but we just traded for a LB. Don't kill me for this, but even with our mediocre LBs I didn't think they were a massive liability. Clearly, Reese was concerned enough with either the depth or the ability of who we've got there that he made this move.

Which means he thought LB was worse off, which scares the SHIT out of me. Could be that either guys are more banged up than we know about, or we've seen these guys playing over their heads and they could possibly be worse than we've seen thus far.

where are you getting this 160 games played from?

You do know 160 games is 10 seasons?

in 2011.

And I'll admit, he made a play In the SB run and was serviceable in 08. But his the second year he started we had one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

already has him listed as a Giant.

Physical tomorrow.

Voidable contract at end of year.

One year rental.

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Beason is physically done lalalalala : 10/3/2013 11:46 pm : link if he comes in and earns a job it's an indictment on the guys that are already here

Which is why the Giants want him, they seem to love getting guys past their prime

I just wasn't a fan of his other than on special teams. I see your point in that we got a lot out of a 7th round pick and heck we probably wont get anything out of Beason but I just dont think a 7th round pick is something to get too bent out of shape about. However I dont agree with the trade.

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I just wasn't a fan of his other than on special teams. I see your point in that we got a lot out of a 7th round pick and heck we probably wont get anything out of Beason but I just dont think a 7th round pick is something to get too bent out of shape about. However I dont agree with the trade.

and we've been botching the middle rounds for awhile now.

You also get bad fast by having massive blind spots in scouting and evaluation for parts of the roster (OL, LB).

This certainly doesn't help, but it's a rather small symptom.

49 games played, are you talking about tackles?

The only reason he started in 08 is because we had a rookie in Kenny Phillips and James Butler as the only Safeties on the roster.

but why trade a draft pick for 1 year rental? Could we receive some sort of compensation pick if we void his contract and he signs elsewhere after this year?

we'll get a nice comp pick when Nicks bails.

none of our 5th, 6th or 7th rounders make contributions or even make the team. lets throw away more draft picks, baby!

but if he was THAT bad they would have gone out and signed a veteran.

He wasn't the best guy out there but he was boom or bust.

Again, you don't expect a lot from a 7th rounder and the giants got a lot of value out of him.

Granted he didn't have a long stay thereafter.

I think people are being quick to sell on Beason. Especially when this trade's not official yet.

Because we had the awesome CC Brown, Aaron Rouse, Sha'reff Rashad and DJ Johnson at Safety. Obviously the guy we drafted is going to get PT.

Played 160 quarters for the Giants, much less games.

And no way he played 160 halves...