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Jon Beason traded to the Giants?

GiantsBRFan : 10/3/2013 11:09 pm
That's the rumor of the night on Twitter and several beat writers from the Panthers are confirming he's get traded but don't know to who or for what.
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browns owner reacts to news of the trade  
VPD72 : 10/4/2013 12:09 am : link
:-\

You guys  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/4/2013 12:09 am : link
are missing the point.

a 5th, 6th, 7th rounder who makes the team is a guy who makes the team. He might be a starter, he might be a reserve, he might be a special teams player. But he is a body who has a role on a 53 man roster.

You lose that pick and they you have to fill it in free agency, which is more expensive. Rookie contracts are dirt cheap.

And occasionally that late pick becomes an Armstead or Bradshaw.
0-4 has made us fans crazy.  
RELICDOA : 10/4/2013 12:09 am : link
The season is far from over. This core of players has shown us before to NEVER count them out!!!!!!! Reese is making the moves that he feels can help out our teams voids. I like the Jacobs move. I am not hating this move.
Kyle, might not be a blind spot in the scouting  
David in LA : 10/4/2013 12:09 am : link
When you're competing year-in-year out, the coach also has to balance in the development of the players the team is drafting against going with the known quantities. Parcells had a good feel for knowing when some lynchpins on the OL and LB have gotten worse, and remedied it in much swifter fashion than Coughlin.
David, yeah that's why I said scouting AND evaluation  
Kyle : 10/4/2013 12:11 am : link
Our self-evaluation at those spots on the roster has been pretty poor.
they are 0-4  
VPD72 : 10/4/2013 12:11 am : link
and have played like crap in about 13/16 quarters.

this team has done crazier shit before so it wouldnt surprise me if they win like 3 or 4 in a row.
Let's take a step back and look at one aspect of this deal  
Matt in SGS : 10/4/2013 12:11 am : link
and you'll need to put on your rose colored glasses here. The Giants front office is sending a message to the team that they are not giving up on 2013.

Think of it. They are 0-4, but only 2 games back in the division. Reese put that Super Bowl count down clock in the locker room as a motivator. Could he and the coaches be so far off in their view of this team to basically pack it in with 12 games to play and a division where 8 or 9 wins will get you a division title?

If he felt this team was in the shitter, no way he makes this deal. So what he's telling his team, specifically the veterans on defense and the coaches, is that he will look to make a move, at the expense of next year (even with a later round pick) and bring in a veteran LB to slot in a defense that clearly needs help in the middle after the Connor injury and now Herzlich's foot injury.

The Giants need confidence, they need a spark. We hear it from Coughlin. We hear it from some of the veteran leaders (Tuck, Rolle, etc.) So if Reese feels he can fill a hole, send a message to his team, and try to do what he can to salvage the season at the expense of a 7th rounder, he's going to do it.

Now...if he sucks and can't play anymore..and the season ends up 5-11. Well, this was a gamble and loss on Reese's part.
I'm waiting for the space cadet to show up  
lalalalala : 10/4/2013 12:12 am : link

that doesn't realize the awful injuries Beason has, and thinks we've picked up a first team all-pro on the downside of his career.
For all we know, this is Al Wilson redux  
jcn56 : 10/4/2013 12:12 am : link
and Beason fails the physical the second he gets here. So even if you're dead set against this, I wouldn't panic just yet.

Eric - I get that you need bodies to fill out the roster, but we've got nobody at LB. It's a longshot, but if Beason can play he helps this year, and maybe becomes a part of the longer term.
Matt in SGS  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/4/2013 12:13 am : link
Again sure...But he had better be able to practice.

What if the trade is made, and he has to sit out one practice a week because of his knee?
jcn56  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/4/2013 12:14 am : link
that's the same argument we heard with Keith Rivers and Aaron Curry. I hope that's not the case but we're talking about a guy who got benched for Chase Blackburn.
Eric  
Matt in SGS : 10/4/2013 12:16 am : link
that's why I think this is a calculated gamble by Reese. I think he's trying to send a message to the team here, knowing that he's not exactly bringing Mike Singletary here...or even what Beason was 5 years ago.

It might well blow up in his face.
Holy  
ben apuna's fanbase : 10/4/2013 12:17 am : link
unsecured Jesus in a Texas roller coaster. Would we do this at 4-0? Probably.
Eric - no argument here  
jcn56 : 10/4/2013 12:17 am : link
but unlike Reese and some others here, I think we're not doing anything this year. I would have just stood pat and waited for the draft and FA next year to repair the roster.

If you think we're not done at 0-4, and we still have a chance to be in this - and we've got a hole that you can improve - how do you *not* make the move?

Ideally it'd be for someone better than Beason, but at this point in the season, that's about what you're going to get, either a has-been or a never-was.
Eric  
Giantcol22 : 10/4/2013 12:18 am : link
but to me 7th round pick are just like or close to undrafted free agents. If thier gonna fill bodies with late round picks they probably can do that with undrafted free agents.
Eric, Beason has actually done it at a high level before  
David in LA : 10/4/2013 12:18 am : link
Rob mentioned earlier, not fair to Beason to lump him in with the "never-has beens".
Reese made a move to improve  
RELICDOA : 10/4/2013 12:19 am : link
Our team right now. You sometimes have to sacrifice a future pick in order to address the present. I understand the thought process.
jcn  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/4/2013 12:19 am : link
I don't think we're done because I'm a foolish optimistic Giants fan. But the likely reality is the Giants are not going to get to 8-8, or even if they do an win the division, get knocked out right away.

Most of BBI says we should be benching the vets and playing the young pups at this point (see OL discussion today).

I can't see how those same folks can say "Hey, it's only a late pick...what the hell?!"

You don't rebuild by trading away draft picks, even late picks.
also  
Matt in SGS : 10/4/2013 12:19 am : link
we don't know the terms of the deal. Maybe the pick is conditional based on playing time. So if Beason actually does produce, then the Giants give up a pick. If he doesn't, they don't get anything. At the very least, the Panthers were able to free up a roster spot and salary relief. If they were thinking of outright releasing him, maybe this was a trade between friends of Gettleman and Reese and they are doing each other a favor here.
of course you make a move at 4-0  
VPD72 : 10/4/2013 12:20 am : link
you are 4-0 with a strong possibility to make the playoffs.

we are 0-4 and thats why a lot of us are questioning the deal.

This sunday is the season. going 0-5 (0-2) is a death sentence.

No matter how bad the division is, the cowboys are still the better team no matter what and they already have a 1-0 advantage over us.

7th round pick wont bother me, but a 5th rounder would tick me off
Ozzie Newsome comparison  
Dylan fan : 10/4/2013 12:20 am : link
Many experts think Newsome is the best GM. Here are his drafts from 2007 to 2012. 3 for 26 from rounds 4-7 (Pernell McPhee DE/DT 5th, Dennis Pitta TE 4th & Le'Ron McClain RB 4th was a 2-time Pro-Bowler). 0-10 6th & 7th rounds. So much for the idea that even the best GMs do a great job in the later rounds. Reese bashers should get a clue.

2012
2 Courtney Upshaw LB - 9 starts, 55 tackles, 1.5 sack 2012
2 Kelechi Osemele OT - starter all 2012
3 Bernard Pierce RB - 4.9 avg/108 carries 2012
4 Gino Gradkowski G - 0 starts 2012; 3 starts @ C this year
4 Christian Thompson S - 0 starts 2012
5 Asa Jackson CB - 1 game 2012
6 Tommy Streeter WR - nada 2012; on BUF 2013
7 Deangelo Tyson DE - 12 tackles 2012

1.5 starters
nada from 5 picks 4-7

2011
1 Jimmy Smith CB - 8 starts, 2 INT, 60 tackles
2 Torrey Smith WR - 33 starts, 115 rec, 15 TDs
3 Jah Reid LG - 7 starts 2012
4 Tandon Doss WR - 0 starts, 7 rec 2012; OOF 2013
5 Chykie Brown CB - 1 start; 17 tackles
5 Pernell McPhee DE/DT - 6 starts, 7.5 sacks, 47 tackles
6 Tyrod Taylor QB - 9 games, 0 starts, 30 passes
7 Anthony Allen RB - 0 starts, 19 rushes

1 starter
1 decent backup
1 1st round bust so far
nada from 4/5 picks 4-7

2010
2 Sergio Kindle LB - 3 games, 0 starts, 1 tackle
2 Terrence Cody DT - 20 starts, 78 tackles
3 Ed Dickson TE - 33 starts, 87 rec, 918 yds
4 Dennis Pitta TE - 7 starts, 102 rec, 1075 yds
5 David Reed WR - 0 starts, 5 rec; on INDY 2013
5 Art Jones DE - nada
6 Ramone Harewood T - nada

1 2nd round bust
2 1 year starters
nada from 3/4 picks 4-6

2009
1 Michael Oher T - 67 starts
2 Paul Kruger DE/LB - 6 starts, 16.5 sacks, 72 tackles in 4 BAL yrs; on CLE 2013
3 Lardarius Webb DB/PR/KR - 28 starts, 8 INT, 202 tackles
5 Jason Phillips LB - 1 FF 1 yr w/ BAL; nada w/ CAR 2 yrs
5 Davon Drew TE - nada
6 Cedric Peerman RB - didn't play for BAL; 1 start w/ DET, CIN

1 starter
1 good 2nd round backup (they got 1 good year out of Kruger)
1 decent 3rd round CB/R
nada from 3/3 picks 5-6

2008
1 Joe Flacco - obvious; picked 18th
2 Ray Rice - obvious; 3 Pro Bowl; picked 55th
3 Tavares Gooden LB - 12 starts, 56 tackles in 3 BAL yrs,
3 Tom Zbikowski DB/PR/KR - 14 KRs/16 PRs/36 tackles in 4 yrs w/ BAL.
3 Oniel Cousins T - 4 starts in 3 BAL yrs
4 Marcus Smith WR - nada in 2 BAL yrs
4 David Hale T - 0 starts in 2 yrs
6 Haruki Nakamura DB - 0 starts, 26 tackles in 4 BAL yrs
7 Justin Harper WR - 2 games in 1 yr; nada
7 Allen Patrick RB - nada

2 starters, incl. franchise QB & Pro Bowl RB
1 decent backup
nada from 5/5 picks 4-7

2007
1 Ben Grubbs G - 70 starts in 5 BAL yrs; 1 PB; on NO 2012, 2013
3 Yamon Figurs PR/KR - 7.9 PR/23.3 KO avg in 2 BAL yrs;
3 Marshall Yanda T/G - starter 75/86 games; 2 PB
4 Antwan Barnes LB - 0 starts, 5 sack, 1 INT, 22 tackles in 3 BAL yrs
4 Le'Ron McClain RB - 54 starts, 3.8 avg, 12 TDs in 4 BAL yrs; 2 PB
5 Troy Smith QB - 2 starts, 89 passes, 79.7 QBR in 3 BAL yrs
6 Prescott Burgess LB - 0 starts, 9 tackles in 4 BAL yrs

3 starters/Pro Bowlers
1 decent PR/KOR but for only 2 years
nada from 3/4 picks 4-6

Out of 46 picks:
10.5 starters
5 decent to good backups
4 Pro Bowlers (3 in 2007; 1 played 5 yrs, another 4)
1 franchise QB
1 1st round bust so far
1 2nd round bust
the guy has been injured a ton  
ZGiants98 : 10/4/2013 12:21 am : link
but lets not act like he's not immediately the best linebacker we have. He might be slow coming back from his latest surgery and who knows if he can get back healthy but he's forgotten more than Herzlich will ever know. He's 28 years old and a former 1st round pro-bowler.
If the pick is a 7th rounder  
giantgiantfan : 10/4/2013 12:21 am : link
then who cares? Chances are you can sign your 7th round guy as an undrafted FA.
Giantcol22  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/4/2013 12:21 am : link
Again, sometimes those 6th and 7th round picks turn into quality starters. Rare, but it does happen.

I hope I'm dead wrong about this, but this reeks of a desperate move by a team that should be keeping the upcoming offseason in mind.
David in LA  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/4/2013 12:22 am : link
Sure, but we're talking about an Achilles rupture and microfracture surgery.
Eric, not any options to rely on at LB that are young  
David in LA : 10/4/2013 12:23 am : link
that we invested actual draft picks on. There are a couple guys on the practice squad that sound interesting, but the frustration from my end, which I'm sure many others share, is that we haven't seemed to give guys like Brewer and Mosley a chance to get better with meaningful snaps. Both played reasonably well this preseason.
Eric, you can't be an optimist and a realist at the same time  
jcn56 : 10/4/2013 12:23 am : link
If you think they can get it done, then the trade has to be made. Beason might not be great, but we've got crap back there.

Personally, I was hoping they'd put in a claim for John Lotulelei from the Seahawks. Just saw that the Jax got him off waivers, I wonder if the Giants put in a claim and this was plan B.
David in LA :  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/4/2013 12:24 am : link
LB's Bradford, Acho, and Powell are all on this roster.

If you want to start looking at the young guys...
Eric that we agree on.  
Giantcol22 : 10/4/2013 12:26 am : link
Its very desperate and I dont like it. If your gonna make a trade I'd rather get somone like a Eugene Monroe(I dont mean him necessarliy )if hes available. A proven veteran who can help this team and maybe sign him long term if he plays well.
Paul Schwartz  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/4/2013 12:26 am : link
summed it up perfectly...

Quote:

Paul Schwartz ‏@NYPost_Schwartz 1m

When this season started I figured the Giants would eventually trade for Chase Blackburn's backup. #nyg
I really don't think anything more needs to be said  
chris r : 10/4/2013 12:27 am : link
except that he was benched for Chase Blackburn.

This wreaks of desperation.
Bradford and Acho were the guys I was thinking of  
David in LA : 10/4/2013 12:27 am : link
Again, more frustration from not seeing draft picks get snaps in front of the decaying turnstiles we have at OL.
curious  
Dylan fan : 10/4/2013 12:29 am : link
Anyone know what other LBs are available? For all we know, as mentioned, this could be a trade for a conditional pick depending on how many games Beason plays &/or production. Wouldn't get panties in a knot just yet. Have a feeling Herzlich's injury may be seen as long-term, in which case somebody has to be signed if the PS guys aren't viewed as any better than Beason, even w/ his past injuries.
Herzlich  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/4/2013 12:30 am : link
practiced today. (See News and Notes)
So I just had to watch Willis Magahee act as a workhorse for Cleveland  
BlueHurricane : 10/4/2013 12:33 am : link
Who we decided to let walk out in favor of Brandon Jacobs. Now we are trading for Chase Blackburns backup who is struggling with injuries. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING!!!!!!!!!
This might  
downinfront : 10/4/2013 12:34 am : link
be the final nail in Reese's coffin.
Yeah, trading a 6th or 7th for Jon Beason  
jcn56 : 10/4/2013 12:34 am : link
is really going to swing Mara's opinion in one direction or the other.

Good lord...
Brandon Jacobs was a safer signing  
VPD72 : 10/4/2013 12:35 am : link
he knows the offense and can pass block.

McGahee would need more work and time to get acclimated to the complex pass blocking reads the running backs have to do.
I'm sure Jacobs could get 2.8  
chris r : 10/4/2013 12:35 am : link
yards a carry behind a decent line.
If you're a veteran RB  
David in LA : 10/4/2013 12:37 am : link
I'm pretty sure you'd catch up on the protection schemes very quickly. It's new terminology, but it's not like they're thrown in there learning mandarin. McGahee likely wouldn't do shit behind our shit line anyways.
Willis has some tread left  
BlueHurricane : 10/4/2013 12:38 am : link
Brandon does not. U give Bramdon the ball 26 times and he would most likely be gone for the year.

Back to Beason............. Reese has undervalued the position for so long and now he looks like a fool trying to fill the void.
Reese is  
downinfront : 10/4/2013 12:39 am : link
making a terrible situation worse. Not only has he been responsible for the downfall of this current team, but he is now ruining their future as well.
A late round draft pick doesn't impair anyone's future.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/4/2013 12:41 am : link
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Yes, trading a 7th rounder is ruining their future  
jcn56 : 10/4/2013 12:42 am : link
Because we all know the restorative powers of a 7th round draft pick in the NFL.
so we should just give away 7th round picks  
chris r : 10/4/2013 12:46 am : link
?
Like Eric said  
downinfront : 10/4/2013 12:46 am : link
every pick counts. Why cant he accept that this team is really bad and try to fix it in the offseason? Is he trying to save face for the whole countdown clock thing? We just traded a pick for a washed up name player. This is a Jerry Jones type move, sorry but that's how I feel.
Stop...  
RELICDOA : 10/4/2013 12:49 am : link
Ruining the future??? Come on. Im taking away all of your man cards!!! Relax!!! 0-4 has made BBI CRAZY!!!!!!! This head coach and GM have 2 Superbowls...one less than Brady and Belicheck. And prevented Brady and Belicheck from having 5 Superbowls.
With luck  
downinfront : 10/4/2013 12:51 am : link
Beason would fail the physical and save Reese from himself.
It's not  
downinfront : 10/4/2013 12:53 am : link
just the pick. It's that this trade indicates that Reese is delusional enough to think that this team is still good enough to make the playoffs. It freaks me out that this is the guy in charge of building the team.
Well, this is encouraging...not:  
Anakim : 10/4/2013 12:56 am : link
Joe Person ‏@josephperson 2m
Beason on knee pain 2 weeks ago: "You have your good days, you have your bad days. When you pound on it, obviously you have that setback."
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