of course, I gave Bradshaw, Jacquian, Ward, Boss as examples of some solid late round selections..Bradshaw clearly being one of the better late round selections one can find, but it's definitely a rarity to find a Bradshaw in round 7..I'm not for or against the trade really...in general though I'm getting a bit sick of the reclamation projects and draft projects as well
I think Reese had some nice hits early, but lately not so much
I suggested the Giants should make a run at him in the offseason, so to now see this deal go thru, I am very happy.
Yeah he's been injured the last few years, however...unlike Rivers, when Beason was good, he was really good...Pro Bowl good, he's worth the risk of a late round pick, especially given the sorry state of the LBers on the roster.
With the cap savings, he might have been able to dish out two backloaded contracts to a vet guard and LBer. Not pro bowlers but guys who are competent.
By keeping Snee's absurd 12 million dollar cap hit, Reese instead limited himself to guys who would take the minimum, which means basically a shot in the dark.
And the worst part is that the Giants will have to take Snee's dead money hit next year. Throw in Baas's dead money next year and now you are screwing up two seasons.
And you know what the irony is? Deep inside, Coughlin probably would have been relieved. The man has been in football for almost 50 years. Most of us at BBI knew Snee was done. You don't think Coughlin knew it too? But how can you ask a guy to take money from his grandkids? That's why Reese should have done it.
And, finally, the real lesson is: As good as Snee has been, drafting or hiring a family remember of the coach will eventually lead to complications. Giants are learning that the hard way now.
He had a really strong start last year before tearing his ACL.
He missed all of training camp recovering from an ACL. He probably should have started the season on PUP and slowly brought himself back. If he could recover from this in a month from now, he could end up being a solution to a problem we have had since pierce left the giants.
He can take the next 2 weeks off and rest his knee while learning the playbook. We then insert him and see what we got. If he has any sort of positive impact, my gut feeling says he stays on the giants. It's a low risk high reward deal.
Two games out of the division with horrible linebackers. Why squander the opportunity to draft future HOFers like Mike Cox (can't beat out darell scott) Kuhn (iron man) and Michael Johnson! Awesome logic
didn't want to re-sign Blackburn for 900k when he was the second leading tackler on the team last year, now they want the guy he just beat out on his new team. Should of never gotten rid of chase
Of signed Karlos Dansby instead of that waste Connor this passed offseason. Since Reese has been here he has done a terrible job when it comes to line backers. Kawika Mitchell was probably his best move at the position.
Jerry Reese doesn't consult with me on personnel moves. All I can do is enjoy the games, root for the Giants and hope that Benson has something left in the tank.
Blackburn wasn't your prototype Dick Butkus or Harry Carson
MLB, but he was smart and had a nose for the ball.
It might surprise people to know that, in addition to leading the team in total tackles, Blackburn had 3 sacks, 1 pick, and 5 forced fumbles. That's almost equal to Kiwanuka's forced fumbles in seven seasons.
who keep pointing out that Beason is Blackburn's backup aren't really getting it. As others have said, he had ACL surgery and missed most of training camp. He's being brought back slowly. No way in holy hell Blackburn beats out Beason if all things are equal.
They let Blackburn walk and have now traded for a guy whose job he took on his new team. That's just...I don't even know. What I do know is that unless he can also play G it's not gonna do a bit about the tiny issue of being utterly incapable of scoring outside of the big play.
and there's certainly risk. The guy's coming off a serious injury. How many people thought Terrell Thomas was worth more than a sack of beans before the season started but he seems to be playing at a pretty high level again. Guys do heal.
This is from Rivera's mouth. " Coach Ron Rivera said on Wednesday that Blackburn was the likely starter for Sunday's game at Arizona, and that Beason needed more time to get in football shape after offseason microfracture knee surgery."
That doesn't sound like Blackburn "took" Beason's spot. Seems to me more like Beason just isn't ready yet. Just like JPP and countless others on our roster right now. However, if he could come back the upside is enormous. I get that all our picks are valuable but Im not crying over a 6th or 7th round pick. We need help at the Lber position. We all know that.
...by the Giants with a stench of desperation wafting off this trade. If you somehow still believe this team has a legit shot at the playoffs, then just wait a week or two.
but I have no problem with this trade. The bulk of our 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks over the last few years have been irrelevant. And while few (Bradshaw for example), have matriculated to starting roles, most end up as career back-ups while some never even make the team. Yes the guys got some injuries, but he's 28 years old, he went to the probowl in '08, '09, and 2010, and he's likely already one of the better linebackers on our team (though I know that's not saying much). I like the move overall, low risk with some potential for payoff. My only question/concern is, what does his contract look like?
As we are all aware the Giants in their history have very rarely made this type of move unless it was a sure thing. They value all of their draft picks like they are guarding Fort Knox. I know When they went after Eli people said they gave up too much to get him. Well, that worked out pretty well.
To see them make this kind of move really does not reflect well on Reese. All things considered itt smacks of panic. Hopefully it works out because when at his best Beason has been a dynamic linebacker. But the truth is Reese is starting to look like awfully desperate. Like he his throwing shit against the wall in hopes it sticks.
I'm not going to cry over next year's low draft pick. I might cry over who we have to ditch to make roster space this year. I'll definitely cry if we have to borrow money from next year's cap (restructure someone)to make this move, or the next move (because we spent our already borrowed money on this move), possible.
You've actually seen a draft before, right? You know what they call the guy at the end of that round?
And for those of you throwing around TT - if he were on another team and we acquired him for a 7th, would that be a bad move?
This isn't Rivers or Curry - those guys were BUSTS. That was a failed attempt at taking guys who never panned out and seeing if a change of scenery would make things better. This is different - this is a guy who has performed at a high level over multiple seasons in this league, but whose body hasn't held up the past couple of seasons. If we indeed traded a late round pick (6th or 7th) for him, to see if he can hold up, it's not a bad move.
And the Snee restructure would indicate that the move was made for an acquisition like this, so it's already on the books. The only question now is who gets cut, but I get the sinking feeling a couple of guys are headed to IR.
Beason couldn't sniff Willis' jock. He was a pretty damn good LB before he started getting injured. Now he can't stop getting injured and he is no longer a pretty damn good LB.
I live in Charlotte and hear the noise about Beason. Too many injuries, significant ones. He's done as a starter folks. He's lost quickness and mobility. This is weird.
any pick for a guy coming off major surgery who may or may not play in a one year rental status? In other words we trade for him and he might not play a down. Sounds desperate to me.
I think Reese had some nice hits early, but lately not so much
http://espn.go.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/892/blackburn-officially-ahead-of-beason?ex_cid=espnapi_public
Yeah he's been injured the last few years, however...unlike Rivers, when Beason was good, he was really good...Pro Bowl good, he's worth the risk of a late round pick, especially given the sorry state of the LBers on the roster.
With the cap savings, he might have been able to dish out two backloaded contracts to a vet guard and LBer. Not pro bowlers but guys who are competent.
By keeping Snee's absurd 12 million dollar cap hit, Reese instead limited himself to guys who would take the minimum, which means basically a shot in the dark.
And the worst part is that the Giants will have to take Snee's dead money hit next year. Throw in Baas's dead money next year and now you are screwing up two seasons.
And you know what the irony is? Deep inside, Coughlin probably would have been relieved. The man has been in football for almost 50 years. Most of us at BBI knew Snee was done. You don't think Coughlin knew it too? But how can you ask a guy to take money from his grandkids? That's why Reese should have done it.
And, finally, the real lesson is: As good as Snee has been, drafting or hiring a family remember of the coach will eventually lead to complications. Giants are learning that the hard way now.
He can take the next 2 weeks off and rest his knee while learning the playbook. We then insert him and see what we got. If he has any sort of positive impact, my gut feeling says he stays on the giants. It's a low risk high reward deal.
ala Bennett? might be worth keeping him though if said scenario plays out
It might surprise people to know that, in addition to leading the team in total tackles, Blackburn had 3 sacks, 1 pick, and 5 forced fumbles. That's almost equal to Kiwanuka's forced fumbles in seven seasons.
This is from Rivera's mouth. " Coach Ron Rivera said on Wednesday that Blackburn was the likely starter for Sunday's game at Arizona, and that Beason needed more time to get in football shape after offseason microfracture knee surgery."
That doesn't sound like Blackburn "took" Beason's spot. Seems to me more like Beason just isn't ready yet. Just like JPP and countless others on our roster right now. However, if he could come back the upside is enormous. I get that all our picks are valuable but Im not crying over a 6th or 7th round pick. We need help at the Lber position. We all know that.
I dont get this at all. Fire Reese. Fire everyone.
To see them make this kind of move really does not reflect well on Reese. All things considered itt smacks of panic. Hopefully it works out because when at his best Beason has been a dynamic linebacker. But the truth is Reese is starting to look like awfully desperate. Like he his throwing shit against the wall in hopes it sticks.
has run out of steam?
I'm not going to cry over next year's low draft pick. I might cry over who we have to ditch to make roster space this year. I'll definitely cry if we have to borrow money from next year's cap (restructure someone)to make this move, or the next move (because we spent our already borrowed money on this move), possible.
And for those of you throwing around TT - if he were on another team and we acquired him for a 7th, would that be a bad move?
This isn't Rivers or Curry - those guys were BUSTS. That was a failed attempt at taking guys who never panned out and seeing if a change of scenery would make things better. This is different - this is a guy who has performed at a high level over multiple seasons in this league, but whose body hasn't held up the past couple of seasons. If we indeed traded a late round pick (6th or 7th) for him, to see if he can hold up, it's not a bad move.
he play OL...fix the Line and Eli will score
30 and our D will play better