Giants apparently had a first round grade on Hankins. I think his selection is or was related to their desire to resign Nicks. They probably knew it would be difficult to resign both Nicks and Joseph. So they tried to get a replacement for Joseph at least one year in advance. Joseph and Hankins come across as basically the same type of DT, namely run stuffers with limited pass rush ability.
Resigning Nicks may have rightly been a higher priority at the time of the draft, but Joseph should be now IMO. He is healthier and will be cheaper.
Because Rogers and Patterson were not sure things, and after the performance of our interior DL last season, we needed to bring in as many bodies as possible. You also seem to forget that the draft is not about filling immediate holes... with Joseph in a contract year, we now have someone in place should he leave.
have no idea of Beasons health and sit at their computer thinking they know more than doctors and Reese. Its absolutley insane to me. All people can point out is how many games he has played. Not how he has looked while playing but just how many games played. Hes better than herlizch with one leg. Personally, I wont judge this trade until I see the guy play. I would of prefered to see Bradford as he does look very intriguing.
Yes, draft better players. Poor drafting (and injuries, and productive vets aging rapidly) is why this roster is weakened.
Pro personnel drafts to a draft's inherent strengths, and they prioritize based on the schemes the deploy. Thus, a 4-3 defense requires assets to be devoted to the DL and DB firstly. If they grade a DT higher than an LB, they're going to draft the DT. This is logical.
You can debate they've not done enough to address the LB unit on the whole over a period of time, clearly. But, in a salary cap league with some star players and big cap hits already onboard, you're going to be lean at some positions.
and agree they should be paying more attention to the LB unit, but they should've been looking at LB in free agency if the needs were deemed that urgent. You don't look at the 2013 draft and pick players expecting them to play in 2013.
the move. This season is not over in this atrocious division. Bringing in beason is an upgrade from our LB's. Nobody is saying he is going to be a star, which is why you only give up a late round pick for him.
You're not getting a good player at this point in the season. So Reese made a move that could slightly improve the team and gave up very little in return. Unlike fans, people who work with the team just don't give up and say the hell with the season, they have to do what they can to help the team win as much as possible. A late round pick to take a flyer on a guy that was a pro bowl player before an injury is not the worst thing in the world. Sometimes a change in scenery is all a guy needs to improve. That is exactly what Pittsburgh is hoping w/ the Levi Brown trade.
A great trade? No. There is not going to be 1 at this point. But its not nearly as bad as many here are making it out to be. It's a low risk trade.
Wreaks of desperation?? Can't eleve I read that close to 15 times on this thread. God forbid they attempt to improve the roster by trading away 7th rounders! NJGiantFan post made me feel better at least.
considering it going to be a 7th rounder. I can guarantee it won't be a 5th rounder.
I still don't undertand why the Giants didn't sign Daryl Smith this offseason. They certainly could have made his $2 million dollar salary work by signing one or two less of the minimum contracts they gave out to awful players.
In Jerry I trust, but the last 12 months has not been his finest.
isn't the cost, assuming it's a seventh rounder, it's the fact that we traded anything for an injured, aging, veteran. Doing so continues the infuriating pattern of collecting these players instead of building with those who are younger and healthier.
This is especially bad since we are 0-4. It's like we're the "Over the Hill Gang" of Redskins from the 70s. We have Acho on the PS. He is healthier and younger, and if he can't play, at least we'll know that when the season ends.
How are younger players ever going to get a chance if they're constantly displaced by has beens like Diehl, Snee, Baas, Boothe, Cordle, Tuck, and now apparently Beason?
Could be a 6th , and performance-based 5th (though it should be 1 round lower to start).I hope, anyway.
If I have the right guy, he's also a vocal-type leader.
This should go well with our existing LBs: "You guys aren't better than a one-legged, busted up circus dog".
Resigning Nicks may have rightly been a higher priority at the time of the draft, but Joseph should be now IMO. He is healthier and will be cheaper.
and he will walk
Drafting is simple, don't overdraft for perceived needs at LB especially when you run a 4-3 with needs at DL and DB.
beason will play MLB for us
Pro personnel drafts to a draft's inherent strengths, and they prioritize based on the schemes the deploy. Thus, a 4-3 defense requires assets to be devoted to the DL and DB firstly. If they grade a DT higher than an LB, they're going to draft the DT. This is logical.
You can debate they've not done enough to address the LB unit on the whole over a period of time, clearly. But, in a salary cap league with some star players and big cap hits already onboard, you're going to be lean at some positions.
It's now being reported that the initial rumor may be incorrect and now Beason is now being traded to the Bengals for a late rounder?
That and metrocard gets me a train ride.
they lost bennett/tynes/osi/phillips/blackburn/hixon
they signed brown/myers/murphy/mundy
You're not getting a good player at this point in the season. So Reese made a move that could slightly improve the team and gave up very little in return. Unlike fans, people who work with the team just don't give up and say the hell with the season, they have to do what they can to help the team win as much as possible. A late round pick to take a flyer on a guy that was a pro bowl player before an injury is not the worst thing in the world. Sometimes a change in scenery is all a guy needs to improve. That is exactly what Pittsburgh is hoping w/ the Levi Brown trade.
A great trade? No. There is not going to be 1 at this point. But its not nearly as bad as many here are making it out to be. It's a low risk trade.
More of the same from Reese on the LB front -- old, injured has beens.
Even if the trade goes through they might still end up with 8-9 draft day picks.
I still don't undertand why the Giants didn't sign Daryl Smith this offseason. They certainly could have made his $2 million dollar salary work by signing one or two less of the minimum contracts they gave out to awful players.
In Jerry I trust, but the last 12 months has not been his finest.
I know there is some performance stuff built in, but I think it's weighed less than the contract.
Your free agent additions less your losses.
Last year the Giants did not have a net loss, but still received a pick though because the league HAS to give out 32 picks each year.
so, if not a lot of teams had net free agent losses the Giants could still get a decent pick.
This is especially bad since we are 0-4. It's like we're the "Over the Hill Gang" of Redskins from the 70s. We have Acho on the PS. He is healthier and younger, and if he can't play, at least we'll know that when the season ends.
How are younger players ever going to get a chance if they're constantly displaced by has beens like Diehl, Snee, Baas, Boothe, Cordle, Tuck, and now apparently Beason?
Maybe someone knows definitively.
If I have the right guy, he's also a vocal-type leader.
This should go well with our existing LBs: "You guys aren't better than a one-legged, busted up circus dog".
as long as he's an upgrade over Herzlich on the Tampa 2 drop and instincts hes an upgrade for us, and thats all that matters.