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Jon Beason traded to the Giants?

GiantsBRFan : 10/3/2013 11:09 pm
That's the rumor of the night on Twitter and several beat writers from the Panthers are confirming he's get traded but don't know to who or for what.
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Pathners coach  
BlueHurricane : 10/4/2013 12:52 pm : link
Quote:
Joe Person ‏@josephperson 2m

Rivera: Nothing's official on Beason trade, we have put in motion the situation with New York.
More  
BlueHurricane : 10/4/2013 12:53 pm : link
Quote:
Joe Person ‏@josephperson 2m

Rivera: Jon was as professional as it gets.
LaConfora "Bengals" tweet was a typo.  
Curtis in VA : 10/4/2013 12:54 pm : link
He retracted.
I like the move  
Nitro : 10/4/2013 12:58 pm : link
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did this trade actually happen? There is no mention of it on  
Victor in CT : 10/4/2013 1:00 pm : link
Giants.com. I think the trade sucks. Lump it in with Keith Rivers, Arrington, etc. Another broken down guy who had potential 5 yrs ago. He's 28 and injury prone. What makes them think he'll get better now? I don't understand the thought process.
A little Tom Rock humor........................... Not funny  
BlueHurricane : 10/4/2013 1:04 pm : link
Quote:
Tom Rock ‏@TomRock_Newsday 5m

Well, he's come to the right place. RT @josephperson Rivera: Beason indicated he wanted to be a starter.
Victor  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/4/2013 1:04 pm : link
again, contingent upon physical.

Carolina Panthers ‏@Panthers 13m

Rivera says the trade benefits both the Giants and the Panthers, but also gives Beason an opportunity to play.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 10/4/2013 1:07 pm : link
If we made this move at 3-1 or 4-0 people would love it.

I think people are using this opportunity to criticize Reese rather than analyze it rationally.
Hope it doesn't go through.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/4/2013 1:08 pm : link
Guy has played 8 games in 3 seasons.
Eric, it just highlights once again the folly of the Nassib move. Had  
Victor in CT : 10/4/2013 1:10 pm : link
they stayed put they would have had their choice of Khaseem Greene, Sean Porter or Gerald hodges, all of whom made their respective teams. And they gave up an extra pick to get him. Now on top of it, they waste another pick to get yet another injury prone player who due to injury can't live up to his potential. Really stupid planning on JRs part in this case.
I don't think the future looks bad so much as it is cloudy  
Go Terps : 10/4/2013 1:13 pm : link
The roster appears set to be almost completely turned over with only a few guys appearing to be certain to be Giants in 2014. The league is designed to allow teams to rebuild quickly.

We have some known quantities in Eli, Cruz, Prince, Beatty, Randle, maybe Pugh, and maybe a couple others. The big question is how are other recent draftees going to develop and will they get the opportunity this year?

Also, what are we going to do about Nicks and JPP? Right now the smart move seems to be to let each walk. I wonder if financially it's possible to trade JPP.
Go Terps  
dep026 : 10/4/2013 1:16 pm : link
Give me a Mathews or Lewan as our first pick, slide Beatty to RT and Pugh to RG and all of a sudden, the OL looks a lot better.

I am more worried about the future of our DL than our OL.
if beatty flops at LT the pugh pick  
area junc : 10/4/2013 1:19 pm : link
looks much better. his best pro position is LT or C imo
Why would his best position be C?  
BrettNYG10 : 10/4/2013 1:21 pm : link
Somewhere he has zero experience playing in a game at.

#lolsthomas
Lets sign Vernon Gholston too  
deadkurtrulz : 10/4/2013 1:23 pm : link
Rivers, Curry, all LB'ers that were top ten picks but can't play football.

They're still young....
I know that one of the bug pluses the Giants saw in Pugh  
Exit 172 : 10/4/2013 1:25 pm : link
was his versatility.

But I really hope that doesn't mean Pugh plays a new position every 10 games or so. I want him to find his best position ASAP and stay there.
Aaron Maybin too!  
Victor in CT : 10/4/2013 1:26 pm : link
..
Why is Beason  
Rob in NYC : 10/4/2013 1:28 pm : link
like Curry, Connors, et. al?

I don't like the deal due to injury concerns, but at least Beason was a highly effective player in this league at one point. Talent isn't an issue here, at all.
Because  
Randy in CT : 10/4/2013 1:31 pm : link
we're here to bitch?
If he was any good he wouldn't be available for a 5th rounder.  
Victor in CT : 10/4/2013 1:33 pm : link
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I think that's shitty logic, Victor.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/4/2013 1:35 pm : link
Same could be applied to an undrafted player, etc.

Your conclusion may be right, but I disagree with that line of reasoning.
brett, he's played 5 games in the last 2 years. Since he got  
Victor in CT : 10/4/2013 1:39 pm : link
hurt in 2011 he hasn't been the same player. CAR was wise to dump him off for anything they could get. If he was the pre-injury Beason he would never have seen the trade market.
He was/is very talented  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/4/2013 1:40 pm : link
but is no longer healthy enough to play at that level. Kind of similar to LaVar Arrington, in that respect.
BRett  
Giantfan in skinland : 10/4/2013 1:40 pm : link
One difference is that when healthy, he is a proven commodity. For his current team to give up on him for a low pick, it certainly suggests that he's not near his old self.

Doesn't mean it can't work out for us...but I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting for him to make an impact.
Awful  
jlukes : 10/4/2013 1:41 pm : link
.
None of these scrap LB projects have worked out.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/4/2013 1:43 pm : link
Rivers, Curry, Bullock have all provided nothing.

I don't expect anything. We gave up a 6-7 rounder and we'll probably get one back back plus a mid rounder in compensatory.


It's basically a free trial.
here's a link from a Panthers website  
Victor in CT : 10/4/2013 1:45 pm : link
"The trade is simply trying to get something out of nothing. It was clear Beason couldn't contribute in 2013 the way the team had hoped and his release was around the corner. It's a sad day, but the move makes a lot of sense."

At least his contract is up after this season. THe trade makes no sense from the Giants standpoint.
Salary Cap Ramifications of Jon Beason Trade - ( New Window )
sure, because C  
fkap : 10/4/2013 1:47 pm : link
calls for similar attributes as Left Tackle.
Victor,  
BrettNYG10 : 10/4/2013 1:47 pm : link
Yes - those points are all reasonable - I just disagreed with your 1:33 reasoning and knew you had better reasons that you were holding back from us. :)

I think it's a low-risk, moderate reward move. Hard to have strong feelings against it from my perspective.
I think we might now have an NFL record for two teammates with  
jlukes : 10/4/2013 1:50 pm : link
the most combined ACL surgeries in NFL history
Another Stupid Move By The Giants  
chiefmps : 10/4/2013 1:50 pm : link
This is not going to be a good season for the Giants so whatever you do you don't trade away draft picks for someone who best day a well behind him. Someone fire the guy who mite have made this trade. Maybe we all get lucky and Benson fail his physical. Giants dump a healthy Blackburn who in turn take over for Benson due to his injuries and then the Giants make a trade for Benson. Now you know why this is a bad season for the Giants. Stupid Moves.
2nd round  
stretch234 : 10/4/2013 1:53 pm : link
Steve Smith, Terrel Thomas, william Beatty, Linval Joseph, Rueben Randle

Clint Sintim, Marvin Austin

I will take that 50-50 any time

What hurts is the 3rd round. ALford hurt and done after 1 year and C Jones never playing
Benson sucks.  
BeerFridge : 10/4/2013 1:53 pm : link
For a 7th, not a big deal.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/4/2013 1:57 pm : link
To me a 7th is basically an UDFA. Easy to get that back by trading back a few spots elsewhere. With UDFAs like Chase, Cruz Ballard, they can fill out the roster.
You guys...  
CarsHURT'86 : 10/4/2013 2:00 pm : link
realize less then 5% of 7th rounders ever make an NFL roster. Quit your crying about draft picks when you have no clue what your crying about.
thanks Brett, all in fun :-)  
Victor in CT : 10/4/2013 2:02 pm : link
Burns me though that he can't get on the field ahead of Blackburn.
Again  
downinfront : 10/4/2013 2:04 pm : link
it's not just the draft pick. This shows that Reese thinks he built a good enough roster to be a playoff team. That absolutely terrifies me.
unless he's  
newmike2 : 10/4/2013 2:06 pm : link
..a significant upgrade, trading any pick at 0-4 doesn't make sense. The team needs to get better at that position and I hope Reese knows something more than the obvious.
Anyone whose argument is "we're not doing anything this year":  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 10/4/2013 2:09 pm : link
Thats great you feel that way but if the front office had this attitude it would be disgraceful and they wouldn't have won those last two super bowls. If its only a 7th rounder lets come down. 7th rounders are great and all but for every Ahmad Bradshaw theres about 30 other guys taken in the round that will have no impact on the teams that draft them.
Beer Fridge  
jerrydo : 10/4/2013 2:11 pm : link
thats great!
Ah, late draft picks.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/4/2013 2:12 pm : link
The currency of hope.

might as well add Jonathon Goff  
SHO'NUFF : 10/4/2013 2:13 pm : link
to the ACL All-Stars.
He's had two terrible injuries  
chris r : 10/4/2013 2:17 pm : link
Hasn't been good in 3 years and was beat out by the exceedingly mediocre chase Blackburn. Oh and the giants are very unlikely to play meaningful games this year so future assets are relatively more valuable to them than present ones.

Those are facts. I'm not sure how they can be disagreed with.
Pugh will be the next David Diehl  
Jupiter : 10/4/2013 2:19 pm : link
Versatile enough to play a different position on the O-line every year but after 8 or 9 years, he won't be able to play any one position to the satisfaction of BBI.
Everybody agrees that future assets are valuable.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/4/2013 2:20 pm : link
The odds of getting an asset in rounds 6-7 are low. They have always been low. They always will be low. They are low for every team.

a pick in rounds six or seven is not an asset. it's a lottery scratch off. Most times you lose, sometimes you luck into a $15 winner.
I'm hoping this pick up is  
Simms11 : 10/4/2013 2:39 pm : link
similar to the one that brought us Mike Barrow. If I recall people thought he was done after an injury too?!
It's pretty simple, imv  
JonC : 10/4/2013 3:10 pm : link
If you are optimistic and hold out hope for success this season, you won't find any fault with trading a #7 pick for a player now. People in this camp generally don't pay attention to the percentages, they push all their emotional chips into this pile.

If you aren't optimistic on this season, your view shifts to 2014 and preserving assets for the offseason options and draft. You recognize the percentages are very low this season, you're more pragmatic and mentally prepared to cut bait and build towards the future.

Neither is wrong, but which is more likely?
Beason is a player and a leader  
Geeman : 10/4/2013 3:12 pm : link
which is sorely needed in the middle of this defense.
A lot of you will have a change of heart once he gets on the filed. I am a fan of this move.
I don't quite agree with the move...  
BillKo : 10/4/2013 3:17 pm : link
mainly because it's an injured player (we have enough of those don't we??) and he's a free agent next year. Most likely, this is a rental.

But.....the Giants realize they are quite substandard at LB and need help just to surrive this season. That's the reason for the move.

Sometimes you have to patch a hole so the ship doesn't completely sink.
Has a 7th been confirmed anywhere  
BlueHurricane : 10/4/2013 3:18 pm : link
I believe most of the hand wringing was over it possibly being a 5th
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