Giants.com. I think the trade sucks. Lump it in with Keith Rivers, Arrington, etc. Another broken down guy who had potential 5 yrs ago. He's 28 and injury prone. What makes them think he'll get better now? I don't understand the thought process.
A little Tom Rock humor........................... Not funny
they stayed put they would have had their choice of Khaseem Greene, Sean Porter or Gerald hodges, all of whom made their respective teams. And they gave up an extra pick to get him. Now on top of it, they waste another pick to get yet another injury prone player who due to injury can't live up to his potential. Really stupid planning on JRs part in this case.
I don't think the future looks bad so much as it is cloudy
The roster appears set to be almost completely turned over with only a few guys appearing to be certain to be Giants in 2014. The league is designed to allow teams to rebuild quickly.
We have some known quantities in Eli, Cruz, Prince, Beatty, Randle, maybe Pugh, and maybe a couple others. The big question is how are other recent draftees going to develop and will they get the opportunity this year?
Also, what are we going to do about Nicks and JPP? Right now the smart move seems to be to let each walk. I wonder if financially it's possible to trade JPP.
I don't like the deal due to injury concerns, but at least Beason was a highly effective player in this league at one point. Talent isn't an issue here, at all.
hurt in 2011 he hasn't been the same player. CAR was wise to dump him off for anything they could get. If he was the pre-injury Beason he would never have seen the trade market.
One difference is that when healthy, he is a proven commodity. For his current team to give up on him for a low pick, it certainly suggests that he's not near his old self.
Doesn't mean it can't work out for us...but I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting for him to make an impact.
"The trade is simply trying to get something out of nothing. It was clear Beason couldn't contribute in 2013 the way the team had hoped and his release was around the corner. It's a sad day, but the move makes a lot of sense."
Yes - those points are all reasonable - I just disagreed with your 1:33 reasoning and knew you had better reasons that you were holding back from us. :)
I think it's a low-risk, moderate reward move. Hard to have strong feelings against it from my perspective.
I think we might now have an NFL record for two teammates with
This is not going to be a good season for the Giants so whatever you do you don't trade away draft picks for someone who best day a well behind him. Someone fire the guy who mite have made this trade. Maybe we all get lucky and Benson fail his physical. Giants dump a healthy Blackburn who in turn take over for Benson due to his injuries and then the Giants make a trade for Benson. Now you know why this is a bad season for the Giants. Stupid Moves.
To me a 7th is basically an UDFA. Easy to get that back by trading back a few spots elsewhere. With UDFAs like Chase, Cruz Ballard, they can fill out the roster.
..a significant upgrade, trading any pick at 0-4 doesn't make sense. The team needs to get better at that position and I hope Reese knows something more than the obvious.
Anyone whose argument is "we're not doing anything this year":
Thats great you feel that way but if the front office had this attitude it would be disgraceful and they wouldn't have won those last two super bowls. If its only a 7th rounder lets come down. 7th rounders are great and all but for every Ahmad Bradshaw theres about 30 other guys taken in the round that will have no impact on the teams that draft them.
Hasn't been good in 3 years and was beat out by the exceedingly mediocre chase Blackburn. Oh and the giants are very unlikely to play meaningful games this year so future assets are relatively more valuable to them than present ones.
Those are facts. I'm not sure how they can be disagreed with.
Versatile enough to play a different position on the O-line every year but after 8 or 9 years, he won't be able to play any one position to the satisfaction of BBI.
If you are optimistic and hold out hope for success this season, you won't find any fault with trading a #7 pick for a player now. People in this camp generally don't pay attention to the percentages, they push all their emotional chips into this pile.
If you aren't optimistic on this season, your view shifts to 2014 and preserving assets for the offseason options and draft. You recognize the percentages are very low this season, you're more pragmatic and mentally prepared to cut bait and build towards the future.
Rivera: Nothing's official on Beason trade, we have put in motion the situation with New York.
Rivera: Jon was as professional as it gets.
Well, he's come to the right place. RT @josephperson Rivera: Beason indicated he wanted to be a starter.
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Rivera says the trade benefits both the Giants and the Panthers, but also gives Beason an opportunity to play.
I think people are using this opportunity to criticize Reese rather than analyze it rationally.
We have some known quantities in Eli, Cruz, Prince, Beatty, Randle, maybe Pugh, and maybe a couple others. The big question is how are other recent draftees going to develop and will they get the opportunity this year?
Also, what are we going to do about Nicks and JPP? Right now the smart move seems to be to let each walk. I wonder if financially it's possible to trade JPP.
I am more worried about the future of our DL than our OL.
#lolsthomas
They're still young....
But I really hope that doesn't mean Pugh plays a new position every 10 games or so. I want him to find his best position ASAP and stay there.
I don't like the deal due to injury concerns, but at least Beason was a highly effective player in this league at one point. Talent isn't an issue here, at all.
Your conclusion may be right, but I disagree with that line of reasoning.
Doesn't mean it can't work out for us...but I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting for him to make an impact.
I don't expect anything. We gave up a 6-7 rounder and we'll probably get one back back plus a mid rounder in compensatory.
It's basically a free trial.
At least his contract is up after this season. THe trade makes no sense from the Giants standpoint.
Salary Cap Ramifications of Jon Beason Trade - ( New Window )
I think it's a low-risk, moderate reward move. Hard to have strong feelings against it from my perspective.
Clint Sintim, Marvin Austin
I will take that 50-50 any time
What hurts is the 3rd round. ALford hurt and done after 1 year and C Jones never playing
Those are facts. I'm not sure how they can be disagreed with.
a pick in rounds six or seven is not an asset. it's a lottery scratch off. Most times you lose, sometimes you luck into a $15 winner.
If you aren't optimistic on this season, your view shifts to 2014 and preserving assets for the offseason options and draft. You recognize the percentages are very low this season, you're more pragmatic and mentally prepared to cut bait and build towards the future.
Neither is wrong, but which is more likely?
A lot of you will have a change of heart once he gets on the filed. I am a fan of this move.
But.....the Giants realize they are quite substandard at LB and need help just to surrive this season. That's the reason for the move.
Sometimes you have to patch a hole so the ship doesn't completely sink.