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Jon Beason passes physical, is acquired for late rd pick. Will participate in walk-thru tomorrow; not impossible he's active Sunday vs. PHL.
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Justin Tuck told me he's "excited" to have Jon Beason as NYG: "If he's healthy, he'll be a tremendous boost for our defense & our team."
This is one of those 'how do you keep a bunch of idiots in suspense'
Do you really think Navorro Bowman or Luke Keichly are available for a 2nd rounder?
The team is bereft at LB and there are few options to add one now. Reese took one of those options. It's unlikely to have a profound impact one way or the other, so what's the big deal?
If you want to get on Reese, get on him for us being in this spot in the first place. This move is not a problem in and of itself.
the Giants LB's this season. With all due respect to their effort, they stink. Rivers is a 1st round bust the Giants were hoping a change of scenery would revive is career, Paysinger is nothing more than a special teams player who is too slow to go sideline to sideline, Williams can't stay healthy and Herz is a nice story who does not belong in the NFL.
Giving up a 6 or 7 for Beason is a risk I will take. If he does not pan out, see ya.
1. Beason stinks. He didn't play 1 snap against the Giants, but he was healthy. It's true, Chase Blackburn beat him out for PT.
2. This is only about this year, not the future. Beason carries a loft salary and cap hit for the next 3 seasons (6M, 7M, and 8M - after removing the accelerated bonuses).
3. While most people say a 7th round pick is worthless, might I remind people that Ahmad Bradshaw, Alfonzo Dennard, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Marques Colston, Julian Edelman, etc. and many more were all 7th round draft picks. If you feel the picks are that worthless then the whole draft is worthless and I'm not going to sit here and let you indict our entire draft system..ok, that's crazy but the point still remains it's only worthless if you don't draft well.
4. a 7th round pick can be used in combination with other picks to move up and target specific players.
And I'll qualify all this saying it's NOT a huge deal, it's a low risk move and most 7th round picks amount to nothing. but all things considered I don't make this trade. but I'm not the GM and there's a reason for that.
I think this was a good trade and that Beason will fill the middle of our defense which has been a void since Pierce retired. he brings leadership and playmaking ability.
The guy isn't a WLB which is the only reason Blackburn got minutes over him.
Blackburn played all 3 LBer positions in his career with the Giants. Beason is really only a MLB which is a good fit with us. I hope he can get out there this weekend.
Let's Go!!!
It's like a JR show me deal, but in the middle of the season
Beason wants to play, prob wants one more contract and the Giants have a need. Opportunity is available to Beason and he's probably very motivated to play and play well.
Now, the question is whether he can play well still. But that's why he's available for a late pick. Because it IS a question.
This is the first Reese deal that I can remember that I really hated.
Beason is probably done as an NFL player. He lost his MLB job to Kuechly, then was beaten out at WILL by Blackburn, a guy that Reese didn't want back not once but twice.
Who is 1A-1B with Bowman for best MLB in football. Let's not make it that he lost it to a bum. The WLB yeah he lost it to a bum, but he is a MLB not an OLB.
is that this is a completely meaningless trade. Chances are that Beason won't amount to much and that a late round pick won't amount to much.
I'd say there's a better chance that Beason will contribute to the Giants than a 7th round pick. The 7th round pick would cost less money. Picks that late really aren't worth anywhere close to enough for people to freak out about them.
Beason got beat out by Keuchly at MLB. Beason isn't a WLB. So what if he got beat out by Chase at a position that he isn't suited for. Hopefully he plays well for the Giants. Time will tell.
As a Giant fan, I hope he finds himself and is good with an occasional great game. That would be a win.
If it was the 6th or 7th round of the draft and there was a player on the board with incredible talent, but has some injury issues, would you take him? I would. I would take that risk. That is essentially what we are doing and I don't see an issue with it. Plus, even if you hate it, its not a huge risk so the worst it can amount to be is a 7th rounder that never panned out. Never heard of that before.
Jerry needs to develop a better plan for the future instead of grabbing loft over garbage. He loves picking up big name underachievers IE Keith Rivers, Aaron Curry non have developed into anything worth while.
and a tremendous leader. Fans and coaches in Carolina have nothing but good to say about this guy.
One of the problems with the LB corp (besides the lack of talent) is we lack leadership. Blackburn was that guy for us last year and now he is gone and no one has stepped up. Maybe he could also teach Paysinger and J williams a thing or 2 about being a stud LB in the NFL.
Beason will probably never be the top 5 LB he was 3 years ago, but he could still be a valuable starter to this team. I remember he had a huge game against the saints and Drew Brees before he tore is ACL in week 4.
Oh, and before you compare him to Curry and Rivers, just remember those guys NEVER id anything on the field for their previous teams while Beason was a huge part of Carolina's defense.
hate it. So he's 28. He has a long injury history. Why take a chance? It's also just wrong to say that "Oh, it's just a late round pick." See Bradshaw, Ahmad, and Armstead, Jesse. Markus Kuhn looks more valuable than Beason. So does Michael Cox.
There is also the fact that aside from the compensation, doing this for anything continues the idiocy of obtaining aging, injured veterans, instead of playing younger, healthier, players. We should just play Bradford and Acho. At least we'd know what we have by the end of the season.
No bonus, they just pay his salary, and they may lose a 6th, or more likely, 7th round pick, which isn't going to net you(usually, always exceptions to the rule)a decent player anyways.
If he can play, and lets face it he's coming off some serious injuries and may need a little time to knock off some rust, it helps the Giants. If he can't play the Giants walk away with very little in the way of penalties.
Also remember the Giants will get some comp picks in the next draft to make up for losing the lower round pick.
to wait and see. After all, we did sign Chase Blackburn, a career backup who had not played all year, to start at MLB and was instrumental in helping us win the SB. You never know.
Against us, because he knew exactly what the hell we were running. They would've been a fools, not to play Blackburn more. But if anyone thinks Blackburn is better than Beason, needs to be drug tested.
Chase started against NYG because he knew all the calls. I don't think he started, or played much prior to that. They know they're not keeping Beason after this season because they have their MLB set. Not because Chase is the better player.
I'll take a wait and see approach. Let's see how Rivers and Beason can do. Worst comes to worst Fewell doesn't get extended and a new DC figures out how to use them.
The Giants gave a 6th and 7th pick for Benson? Please tell me that is just a rumor. If not someone fire the idiot who made that trade, a brain dead monkey could do better.
Jessie Armstead was the #1 rated LB until he tore up his knee. He was not a late pick because of talent. Neither was Bradshaw - he of lots of talent and major off field issues. The facts are almost every 6th or 7th round pick does not make the NFL as a starter. Those that do generally are gone within a year or 2.
We'll find out soon enough if this was a good move. I don't think this is a short term solution - since it's really too late at this point. Giants gambling on greatness again. I kind of like it.
It may be a conditional pick or a 5, 6 or 7. Before we start hyperventilating lets wait and see.
If it's a 5 I won't be all that happy either, but if it's a 6 or 7(or some form of conditional) I will be more than willing to see how it plays out before I demand heads on platters.
and one that signals this sh** aint over! Beason is already, day one, injured and all better than all the LBs we got on the field right now. Everyone has been saying we need to upgrade the LB position and when Reese does this, people are unhappy? Damn if he do, damned if he don't. It's crazy!
Beason is a beast when healthy, is a strong leader and plays with abandon in the middle in a way we have not seen since Pierce. It's a big time pick up and the Giants definitely should have drafted him instead Ross.
Welcome to the GMEN, BEASON! BEASON will be the Reason we turn this thing around!
I don't see the issue. I see no reason why people get defensive like Jerry Reese is their son.
I would rather have the 7th round pick, 6th round pick, 5th round pick than Jon Beason in 2013. As I've said before Beason's contract makes this about 2013 only. I'm not going out on a limb to say Beason is one of the players where there was a high likelihood he'd be released (or at worst take a pay cut, but that math is hard to make work with his numbers).
So given my assumptions it does not make it a good trade.
If Beason hits the field and is lights out, I'll be supportive and a huge fan (though I think that's unlikely).
regardless it makes me no less of a fan than anyone who love this trade.
has torn his achilles, an ACL, and has had microfracture surgery, the latter less than a year ago I think.
Giving up anything for a player like that is a mistake. It's another, worse, version of the Rivers trade, and a continuation of the misguided philosophy of keeping, and now apparently paying for aging, injured veterans.
Of course, we wouldn't be desperate for a guy like Beason if Reese hadn't completely neglected the LB position. His making this trade is an admission of how badly he screwed up in that regard. No way we do this if we have even minimally competent LBs. But then again we also put Bradford, a rookie UDFA, right onto our 53, not on the PS.
Beason is a Giant now, and I will root for him as hard as any other Giant. I also hope he stays healthy for his own sake as well.
this way. The front office thinks LB may be a problem. That's a start. I was really wearing thin of the line that it's not important in this scheme. I come from the school of thought that every position is important.
Case in point: Dodge/Weatherford. Yeah, it's just the punter, but right before our very eyes.....
There is no trade or signing that will fix this mess this year. We need to be looking forward and preparing for next year and onward. This is a lateral move at best. I'd rather keep the pick.
Maybe the Panthers knew he wasn't ready to go full strength this year and figured he would be gone next year so they're trying to get anything they can out of him. Likely means he's not going to be full strength this year. Perhaps the Giants are gambling he'll still be an improvement over what they have and will see if he's got a future here. It's not a terrible gamble.
They're trying to address an area of weakness. Whether or not it works out is yet to be seen. This is the type of trade that you just have to wait and see if it works out or how it works out.
To me, either Beason contributes and helps this team and makes it well worth it and if he doesn't, we lose a pick that wasn't very likely to reward us any more than a UDFA would. I can live without the 7th round pick.
Plus, if the trade doesn't work out and we continue to suck, we may be in a position to move down a few spots in the 1st round and collect a couple extra picks anyway.
Major league wrong on Beason's contract. It voids after this year. He's making $1 million + $110,000 for every game he plays this year. Period.
"Beason signed a six-year, $51 million contract prior to the 2011 season, but the three-time Pro Bowler reportedly took a big pay cut prior to this season, slashing his $5.25 million salary all the way down to $1 million.
The Giants have about $1.3 million worth of room under the salary cap, which would be enough to squeeze in Beason for the moment. His contract -- which reportedly voids after the season -- calls for him to make a bonus of approximately $110,000 for every game he plays."
I swear BBIers try to make shit up or ignore reality completely just to bitch about everything about the team some more. Beason's contract - ( New Window )
my #'s for his contract WERE AFTER this SEASON and cited to highlight the contract was NOT about the future. A voided contract after this season certainly seems to support that. wouldn't it?
Because its not a problem that many people didn't see coming. To finally address it now when it should have been dealt with earlier in the preseason is desperation, especially when we slide into the same bargain basement MO. Look I realize Reese can't be seen as giving up on the season because the players will pick up on it but I am already thinking about 2014.
as I said on the other thread- I don't know whats sadder:
that contract is meaningless. If he plays well the Giants sign him long term. If not - he's gone and it was a wasted pick. I simply don't believe they willingly threw away a draft pick for this year. Not having started 0-4. They think the guy can contribute this year but more so will be hoping he's a long-term solution. There's no other reason to do it.
We shouda drafted him in 2006 instead of trading down for Kiwi
it's a move with potential.. and one that already strengthens our defense assuming Beason stays healthy and learns the defense and is able to perhaps get significant action by week 6 even if not this week in week 5..
talent wise, leadership wise, instinct wise, defensive intelligence wise, and ability wise.. he is without a doubt already our best middle linebacker.. while talent and ability may be argued with Williams, Rivers, and Paysinger.. past production can't be, same with instinct and defensive intelligence.. and once again the leadership role and his ability to play middle linebacker..
Paysinger has played decent.. and Williams has at times too.. Rivers even has at times.. if we can bring a veteran leader to this group and our defense itself.. it is definitely a plus..
trust me.. if we start week 6 with 3 linebackers on the field, and they are Paysinger, Beason, and either Rivers/Williams.. I will already feel much better about our linebackers.. Beason may even be the type of guy to help others around him play better.. regardless.. at this point in the season.. it's not a bad trade to make.. we need linebacker help.. and it doesn't appear there was anyone else out there in game shape who could join us already as talented as Beason..
time will tell.. but I'm optimistic about Beason joining our team..
just because Blackburn replaced him doesn't mean he's better..
there is a long history of moves in the NFL of players being replaced by guys and then the replaced player moving on to have tremendous success..
organizations make mistakes.. heck.. out organization didn't think much of Blackburn to have him on our roster in 2011 or 2013.. in fact no NFL team thought much of Blackburn to have him on an NFL roster in 2011.. he was out of football.. and we we're able to keep him in 2012 because he really didn't have any interest by any other teams.. we felt Connor would be better.. perhaps he could have been.. but his injury ruined that.. in 2012 we were hoping Herzlich would seize the job but didn't..
so to assume just because the Carolina Panthers decided to move on from Beason and play Blackburn in his place.. does not necessarily mean the move was the best move..
He's essentially a rental for this season. And if we lose on Sunday we're pretty much officially tanking the season. Beason isn't going to make a blind bit of difference to that game, and if it's lost then the season is pretty much down to pride.
Can still be a good player at MLB. He is not a WLB, especially given the state of his rehab.
This happened very quickly. It appears from the articles out of Charlotte that this was a favor to a well regarded player, who is a leader in the club house.
I keep seeing people all over the place, a 6th and 7th, a 5th, a 7th, etc. All I've seen is 'a late round pick'. Anyone see anything official on terms yet?
its a good move by reese hes 28 and if he recovers to 75 percent of his past self he will be the best MLB the giants have had since kevin lewis....just kidding, michael barrow
surprises and plays well and stays somewhat healthy, you might go year to year with him possibly, but there really isn't a huge risk here in terms of cap hit/dead space going forward.
After looking through this in it's totality I can't criticize the move per se, but it is emblematic of the Giants inability to find quality LBs and develop them, use them, and get impact from them.
But the Giants couldn't continue trotting out such subpar talent and inconsistency and in reality, Beason aside, they can't continue on this kind of path with the defense.
Jon Beason was a very good middle linebacker before he had some injuries. People who say he was inconsistent don't know what they are talking about.
For me, this trade is more about the future than the current season. I don't think he is 100% recovered from his surgeries (probably not even 75%). Next year, he probably will be 100%.
As for getting beat-out by Blackburn at weak-side LB, I believe the Will lines up against the TE. If that is true, Blackburn is 6'3" 245 and Beason is 5'11" 230. That may have had something to do with losing out to Chase (in addition to not being 100%).
I'm glad to see Reese aggressively going after trades. As for the 6th or 7th round pick surrendered, for every Ahmad Bradshaw there are exponentially more 6th and 7th round draft picks who never make it.
I don't think Beason will be on the team next year. The Giants are obviously going to void his contract after the season. The only way I can see them re-signing him to a new deal would be if he shows that he is healthy and improves as the season progresses. Even then I think the Giants target LB during free agency and the draft.
I'm sure this has been said 100 times here, but even I need to vent - picking up a guy, damaged at that, who was beat out by one of our discards does not sound promising.
I don't get the hand wringing and whining over this.
The Giants can't openly give up like that, no, but that doesn't mean they should be trading away even lottery tickets for a player with Beason's medical history, inability to hold off a player like Blackburn, and contract situation (as in, he won't even likely be here next year).
just in regards to Beason.. not how our Giants are doing..
I'll state on record that I predict in 3 weeks we'll have a lot of posters commenting on how Beason is playing well for us and will be pleasantly surprised by how he's doing..
regardless.. a lot of opinions on both sides.. it'll be interesting to check back to this thread later this season..
I thought this trade was a bad idea, for many reasons, but Beason is a NY Giant now and I'll hope for the best from him just like I do with every Giants player.
Jon Beason passes physical, is acquired for late rd pick. Will participate in walk-thru tomorrow; not impossible he's active Sunday vs. PHL.
Done deal: Jon Beason is now a Giant, per source.
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Jon Beason is officially a Giant. Passed his physical.
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The team is bereft at LB and there are few options to add one now. Reese took one of those options. It's unlikely to have a profound impact one way or the other, so what's the big deal?
If you want to get on Reese, get on him for us being in this spot in the first place. This move is not a problem in and of itself.
This is worth the risk.
Beason was a top 5-6 LB at one point in his career. This isnt Aaron Curry. Beason can play. Let's just hope he stays healthy.
Fill Beason up with Ensure & Geritol and have at it.
Giving up a 6 or 7 for Beason is a risk I will take. If he does not pan out, see ya.
1. Beason stinks. He didn't play 1 snap against the Giants, but he was healthy. It's true, Chase Blackburn beat him out for PT.
2. This is only about this year, not the future. Beason carries a loft salary and cap hit for the next 3 seasons (6M, 7M, and 8M - after removing the accelerated bonuses).
3. While most people say a 7th round pick is worthless, might I remind people that Ahmad Bradshaw, Alfonzo Dennard, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Marques Colston, Julian Edelman, etc. and many more were all 7th round draft picks. If you feel the picks are that worthless then the whole draft is worthless and I'm not going to sit here and let you indict our entire draft system..ok, that's crazy but the point still remains it's only worthless if you don't draft well.
4. a 7th round pick can be used in combination with other picks to move up and target specific players.
And I'll qualify all this saying it's NOT a huge deal, it's a low risk move and most 7th round picks amount to nothing. but all things considered I don't make this trade. but I'm not the GM and there's a reason for that.
Isn't micro fracture what led to them releasing Steve Smith and Kenny Phillips?
They've been right about them when other teams thought otherwise so I'm hoping they know what they are doing with Beason health wise.
The guy isn't a WLB which is the only reason Blackburn got minutes over him.
Blackburn played all 3 LBer positions in his career with the Giants. Beason is really only a MLB which is a good fit with us. I hope he can get out there this weekend.
Let's Go!!!
Now, the question is whether he can play well still. But that's why he's available for a late pick. Because it IS a question.
Beason is probably done as an NFL player. He lost his MLB job to Kuechly, then was beaten out at WILL by Blackburn, a guy that Reese didn't want back not once but twice.
And he gives up a draft choice for this guy?
I'd say there's a better chance that Beason will contribute to the Giants than a 7th round pick. The 7th round pick would cost less money. Picks that late really aren't worth anywhere close to enough for people to freak out about them.
As a Giant fan, I hope he finds himself and is good with an occasional great game. That would be a win.
--Mark Herzlich
One of the problems with the LB corp (besides the lack of talent) is we lack leadership. Blackburn was that guy for us last year and now he is gone and no one has stepped up. Maybe he could also teach Paysinger and J williams a thing or 2 about being a stud LB in the NFL.
Beason will probably never be the top 5 LB he was 3 years ago, but he could still be a valuable starter to this team. I remember he had a huge game against the saints and Drew Brees before he tore is ACL in week 4.
Oh, and before you compare him to Curry and Rivers, just remember those guys NEVER id anything on the field for their previous teams while Beason was a huge part of Carolina's defense.
There is also the fact that aside from the compensation, doing this for anything continues the idiocy of obtaining aging, injured veterans, instead of playing younger, healthier, players. We should just play Bradford and Acho. At least we'd know what we have by the end of the season.
Oh just one more thing, for every KP and Steve Smith, there is also a TT and Thomas Davis who come back from THREE torn ACL's.
To conclude, i am a big fan of this trade. I'm very excited to see Beason bring in his leadership and brains (2 things we are lacking) to our LB corp.
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No bonus, they just pay his salary, and they may lose a 6th, or more likely, 7th round pick, which isn't going to net you(usually, always exceptions to the rule)a decent player anyways.
If he can play, and lets face it he's coming off some serious injuries and may need a little time to knock off some rust, it helps the Giants. If he can't play the Giants walk away with very little in the way of penalties.
Also remember the Giants will get some comp picks in the next draft to make up for losing the lower round pick.
And for every Armstead and Bradshaw there are a dozen "I had a great time in camp now off to the real world" guys.
I understand this trade might not pan out, and this needs discussed, but there is a little(just a bit)overreaction by some.
for that reason it not bad
2012: 6th: McCants, 7th: Kuhn.
2011: 6th: Greg Jones, Tyler Sash, Jacquain Williams, 7th: Da'Rel Scott.
2010: 6th: Adrian Tracy, 7th: Matt Dodge
2009: 6th: DeAndre Wright, 7th: Stoney Woodson
2008: 6th: Andre Woodson, Robert Henderson, 7th: None
2007: 6th: Koets, 7th: Michael Johnson, Bradshaw.
2006: 6th: None, 7th: Gerrick McPhearson
What we have now is not working out so well.
If it's a 5 I won't be all that happy either, but if it's a 6 or 7(or some form of conditional) I will be more than willing to see how it plays out before I demand heads on platters.
Beason is a beast when healthy, is a strong leader and plays with abandon in the middle in a way we have not seen since Pierce. It's a big time pick up and the Giants definitely should have drafted him instead Ross.
Welcome to the GMEN, BEASON! BEASON will be the Reason we turn this thing around!
I don't see the issue. I see no reason why people get defensive like Jerry Reese is their son.
I would rather have the 7th round pick, 6th round pick, 5th round pick than Jon Beason in 2013. As I've said before Beason's contract makes this about 2013 only. I'm not going out on a limb to say Beason is one of the players where there was a high likelihood he'd be released (or at worst take a pay cut, but that math is hard to make work with his numbers).
So given my assumptions it does not make it a good trade.
If Beason hits the field and is lights out, I'll be supportive and a huge fan (though I think that's unlikely).
regardless it makes me no less of a fan than anyone who love this trade.
Giving up anything for a player like that is a mistake. It's another, worse, version of the Rivers trade, and a continuation of the misguided philosophy of keeping, and now apparently paying for aging, injured veterans.
Of course, we wouldn't be desperate for a guy like Beason if Reese hadn't completely neglected the LB position. His making this trade is an admission of how badly he screwed up in that regard. No way we do this if we have even minimally competent LBs. But then again we also put Bradford, a rookie UDFA, right onto our 53, not on the PS.
Beason is a Giant now, and I will root for him as hard as any other Giant. I also hope he stays healthy for his own sake as well.
Case in point: Dodge/Weatherford. Yeah, it's just the punter, but right before our very eyes.....
They're trying to address an area of weakness. Whether or not it works out is yet to be seen. This is the type of trade that you just have to wait and see if it works out or how it works out.
To me, either Beason contributes and helps this team and makes it well worth it and if he doesn't, we lose a pick that wasn't very likely to reward us any more than a UDFA would. I can live without the 7th round pick.
Plus, if the trade doesn't work out and we continue to suck, we may be in a position to move down a few spots in the 1st round and collect a couple extra picks anyway.
2014: 10.75M
2015: 11.75M
2016: 9M
and after the trade if I understand the accelerators right it's still bad:
2014: 6.75M
2015: 7.75M
2016: 9.M
this is not about the future IMO. I think the Giants can cut him after the season with no dead cap space and I think that's what they'll do.
We should be using 6 db's.
We need cover guys
"Beason signed a six-year, $51 million contract prior to the 2011 season, but the three-time Pro Bowler reportedly took a big pay cut prior to this season, slashing his $5.25 million salary all the way down to $1 million.
The Giants have about $1.3 million worth of room under the salary cap, which would be enough to squeeze in Beason for the moment. His contract -- which reportedly voids after the season -- calls for him to make a bonus of approximately $110,000 for every game he plays."
I swear BBIers try to make shit up or ignore reality completely just to bitch about everything about the team some more.
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Personally one positive of having a down year is to shed all the bandwagon fans that joined this board the last 3 years.
So save your outrage about people making things up for something worth being outraged about - especially since no one was bitching about anything.
but carry on with your rant if it helps you.
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the fact that he instantly becomes our best LB
But getting him now? I don't know that he would be worth anything more than cash.
talent wise, leadership wise, instinct wise, defensive intelligence wise, and ability wise.. he is without a doubt already our best middle linebacker.. while talent and ability may be argued with Williams, Rivers, and Paysinger.. past production can't be, same with instinct and defensive intelligence.. and once again the leadership role and his ability to play middle linebacker..
Paysinger has played decent.. and Williams has at times too.. Rivers even has at times.. if we can bring a veteran leader to this group and our defense itself.. it is definitely a plus..
trust me.. if we start week 6 with 3 linebackers on the field, and they are Paysinger, Beason, and either Rivers/Williams.. I will already feel much better about our linebackers.. Beason may even be the type of guy to help others around him play better.. regardless.. at this point in the season.. it's not a bad trade to make.. we need linebacker help.. and it doesn't appear there was anyone else out there in game shape who could join us already as talented as Beason..
time will tell.. but I'm optimistic about Beason joining our team..
there is a long history of moves in the NFL of players being replaced by guys and then the replaced player moving on to have tremendous success..
organizations make mistakes.. heck.. out organization didn't think much of Blackburn to have him on our roster in 2011 or 2013.. in fact no NFL team thought much of Blackburn to have him on an NFL roster in 2011.. he was out of football.. and we we're able to keep him in 2012 because he really didn't have any interest by any other teams.. we felt Connor would be better.. perhaps he could have been.. but his injury ruined that.. in 2012 we were hoping Herzlich would seize the job but didn't..
so to assume just because the Carolina Panthers decided to move on from Beason and play Blackburn in his place.. does not necessarily mean the move was the best move..
This happened very quickly. It appears from the articles out of Charlotte that this was a favor to a well regarded player, who is a leader in the club house.
This could have a lot of upside to the Giants. Time will tell.
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After looking through this in it's totality I can't criticize the move per se, but it is emblematic of the Giants inability to find quality LBs and develop them, use them, and get impact from them.
But the Giants couldn't continue trotting out such subpar talent and inconsistency and in reality, Beason aside, they can't continue on this kind of path with the defense.
Jon Beason was a very good middle linebacker before he had some injuries. People who say he was inconsistent don't know what they are talking about.
For me, this trade is more about the future than the current season. I don't think he is 100% recovered from his surgeries (probably not even 75%). Next year, he probably will be 100%.
As for getting beat-out by Blackburn at weak-side LB, I believe the Will lines up against the TE. If that is true, Blackburn is 6'3" 245 and Beason is 5'11" 230. That may have had something to do with losing out to Chase (in addition to not being 100%).
I'm glad to see Reese aggressively going after trades. As for the 6th or 7th round pick surrendered, for every Ahmad Bradshaw there are exponentially more 6th and 7th round draft picks who never make it.
What other help were they going to get going into week 5?
Not only did they potentially improve the position, but they only gave up a conditional(I think?) late round pick to do so.
For a team so close to the cap, what else could they have done? Trade for Patrick Willis?
Fuck.
just in regards to Beason.. not how our Giants are doing..
I'll state on record that I predict in 3 weeks we'll have a lot of posters commenting on how Beason is playing well for us and will be pleasantly surprised by how he's doing..
regardless.. a lot of opinions on both sides.. it'll be interesting to check back to this thread later this season..
I'd love for Beason to play well.
of the other teams . WTF is with all the injuries ...