I didn't I thought 8–8 or 9–7. Injuries aside, our playcalling is below average and our execution and decision-making in all phases of the game is a joke. There is plenty of blame to go around but frankly I'm shocked how we have fallen so quickly.
I really, foolishly in retrospect, dismissed the poor preseason, since we have been poor in previous preseasons. Anyway, I thought we would be a 9-7 team, at worst. I am in shock.
it could be possible to go maybe 6-10 considering how poorly we finished the season last year but to start 0-5. No. I mean we have a lot of talent but are playing horribly. I dont believe it is Coughlin's fault but the reality is this. You can't fire the whole team and if we lose against the Bears to go 0-6, I can't imagine Mara sitting around with his arms crossed waiting 3 months to do something.
because of the inability of the offense to move the ball. It reminded me of preseasons of the Dave Brown era.
Can't say I saw it coming, but when you think about the last 10 games this team has played it is obvious it is a bad team.
But I'm not shocked. The bad losses late last season were an indication of a team in decline.
Actually, after growing up in the 1970s, I'm never shocked when the Giants are bad. It's just been a long time since it's been like this.
John McKay "What do you think about your team's execution?"
He responded, "I'm all for it".
other teams have figured our offense out couples with Reese's poor handling of the line..we have not evolved period
Started to get nervous during pre-season thinking lower. After Carolina, pretty much resigned to 1-15 with Raiders being the win. Maybe a flukey here or there to push to 2 or 3 wins.
of last season. Teams figured out how to defense our offense?
Its just weird, we went from a productive team and offense to a completely dysfunctional one over the course of two or three games.
I really don't get it, but I think that we need a new concept on offense. The WR read just doesn't seem to work any more. Maybe the speed of the game makes it no longer work. I don't know, but it is broken. Badly.
I didn't think the pass rush would be this ineffectual or that Manning would play this badly.
prior to the season that I had no idea how good the Giants were so, in that sense, I wasn't expecting a whole lot.
Nonetheless, I am shocked at the poor quality of play and the consistent mistakes.
There are a lot of guys we should have gotten rid of...that is quite clear...Tuck, Kiwi, maybe even Rolle...guys who are overpaid and not playing to their pay grade. Snee and Baas also should have been cut.
Easy to say now but, like I said, I was very concerned
...so technically I am not wrong yet.
would hamper an otherwise solid team. Figured they'd be somewhere between 7-9 and 9-7. Thought they were being stubborn with Snee and Diehl but I never thought they could look this bad.
It's every phase of the game too.
And things have declined exponentially. Even our QB looks like a fool out there. We have not even looked competitive in many games going back to last year. The symptoms were surfacing last year and now it's all come to a boil.
but I thought 7 or 8 wins was more likely. I certainly didn't see the offense being the weaker unit.
This season is one of those 3% of the time outcomes.
I forecast 6-10. The '11 Superbowl run was magnificent, but we were one Romo overthrow from it having been 4-straight yeas out of playoffs; and this has not been a good team since Plax shot himself. After week 3, I said 3-13. But now that is looking wildly optimistic.
but not surprised they are bad.
Carolina this year. See 2-14 coming no. Know that the era of Giants football is over? Yes.
NOT in my WILDEST imagination.
the absolute floor for a Coughlin/Eli team.
I was entirely wrong and the thing that is infuriating me most isn't that the players suck (and they do suck, some in general, some just this season so far), but how badly the coaching staff is failing in such obvious ways -- they're not even giving the players a chance to suck less in so many situations, stuff like today with the penalty stupitidy. It's made even worse by Coughlin standing up there, PC after PC, talking about how it's just about execution, calling out players really, and often even praising his coaching staff.
I suppose that was fitting timing for a typo though.
playoffs. Missing the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 seasons was unthinkable.
As much as I have not liked ESPN's Graziano, he pretty well had it pegged. At the end of last year the weaknesses on the team had been exposed. The offensive line above all, and linebacker. But the Giants did little to improve over the off season. No linebacker, only one O-Lineman who was a bit of a reach in the first round.
They only major move they made was to add more defensive tackles than they needed, so that we had to release Austin, who was a better player at his position than we had at OL or LB.
And we actually let players go who we had no replacements for. Osi, Blackburn, Boley. I know some people thought that Boley played poorly last year, but his stats don't really support that and he was better than any of the other linebackers left on the roster.
But to be THIS bad is a serious indictment of the coaching staff IMO. I have no clue when they'll actually win a game and unfortunately, TC's career will end with this clusterfuck.
wins and competing for NFCE title. Never expected this embarrassment. It's one thing for a certain aspect of the team to suffer, but this is EVERY facet. Miserable.
I thought it would be another of those 9-7 seasons where the Giants were in the playoff hunt the last two weeks
Sort of. What happened in the second half of last season was a very strong indicator to anyone who was paying attention.
Summer camp and the exhibition season was a mess. But I thought there was still enough talent and professionalism to get maybe 5 or 6 wins this season, or very optimistically 7. But they have already lost 3 of the games that I thought they should or at least could win.
Noting that Coughlin's teams have finished badly every season that they didn't win the Super Bowl, at this point I really can't see them winning more than 2 games at the most this season.
By the 1-7 or more likely 0-8 midpoint, everybody who hasn't already quit is going to give up, just go through the motions for the rest of the season, and try not to get hurt.
Any hope of a playoff birth is realistically gone now, the players know that none of this coaching staff is likely to be back so there's absolutely nothing to play for, and several of the players will retire or go elsewhere to play anyway.
and that's why I tend to give JR a pass; he was "shoring up" and not rebuilding.
(Of course he probably had more information than I did.)
trending below 8-8 into 7-9 or worse, and as soon as I saw that Diehl, Snee were coming back I was not be surprised by the oline as they have gotten worse each year, expecting to throw the ball all over the field and not be able to mount a running game.
You can trace back how poorly managed our oline was to the current implosion of our team from a competitiveness perspective.
split -- no restructure, no paycut -- had a lot to do with his legal troubles and what they appeared to be at the time.
No team touched him for as long as they didn't until the Bengals signed him this past week for a reason.
but the most important components of a football team are the GM, the HC, and the QB, so it's going to reflect worst on them.
Does it mean any of them are suddenly bad? Of course not. Does it bring down the pie-in-the-sky evaluations of the three of them as all being great and tops-in-the-NFL types? Of course.
Nfw did I think this would happen but the offensive line printproblems have been apparent for years and ignored by Reese for the draft and TC for sticking with overpaid washed up veterans. They have not been good since 08 sans the 11 run.
because the team, even with no LBs and a porous OL, shouldn't be 0-5/legitimately worst team in the sport bad. In addition, the NFL is the league in which coaching makes the biggest difference (positively or negatively) in team performance.
But we have so many gaps in personnel, offensive line, line backer, defensive line, fullback, I'm concerned that we could have a rough few seasons ahead of us
Tons of BBIers have been crying for at least 3 years that we need to add quality and depth to an aging, banged-up offensive line.
Well... that offensive line broke apart this season and is one of the key factors why this team is 0-5.
So, in a way, a lot of people INDIRECTLY saw this coming, or at least a possibility!
I knew our defense still kinda sucked (sorry) but seeing the offense so ineffective in every drive they tried in the pre-season really stuck with me.
I feel the same as the players probably do do, as the losses rack up it becomes easier to deal with them...and that's a bad way to look at it.
I had faith to get to 4-4 before this game...now I'm not sure they win 5 games.
I thought the offense would be better with Wilson taking a full time roll. I expected the D to struggle.
I never, ever, thought that' an offense with Eli at QB and Nicks and Cruz at WR would ever be this bad, no matter the state of the O line. It's shocking.
I envisioned that our defense would pressure quarterbacks and our offense would be difficult to defend. Wrong on both counts.
over the last 10 games we have been a BAD football team. So you have to ask yourself besides coaching, is the talent really there? I would have to say no. they tried to ride the core one more year and it is costing them an epic collapse. To be realistic here are the building blocks for this team going forward: Eli, Wilson, Cruz, Randle, Beatty, and Pugh. JPP, Moore, Hankins, Prince, maybe Will Hill and Stevie Brown. That's it! maybe 11 or 12 players from a 53 man roster. that's a BAD football team. a 2-14 or 3-13 season would not surprise me and since Reese is primarily responsible for putting the roster together, he has a lot to answer for.
I knew they would suck because they did nothing to make the team any better from last season. I expected to be worse, 6-10, but not this bad.
They need to take a serious look at what they have, trade guys with value for picks with an eye on the future and shed salary.
We would improve from last year because we have the same lousy defense and the same oline. I expected 6 wins because we will lose more nfc east battles than win. I figured we would come in last though because the other teams all improved and we didn't.
Tuck and JPP on defense and Bass and Snee on offense. I was hoping that these guys would be close to 100% by the time the season started and I envisioned a 10 or 11 win season. As it turned out all four of these players, in my opinion, have given us nothing or less than nothing. If you would have told me that before the season started I would have put in for a 2 or 3 win season.
I thought this was a 9, 10 win team.
@ worst, I thought they'd win 7-8 games.
This is just an embarrassment.
thought the team would be better than last year. I figured worst case we would go 8-8.
Even if you didn't predict a great season, 0-5 is historically bad.
I didn't like our pre-season at all, but figured we'd be good for 8-10 wins and who knows, maybe another wild run int he PO's.
Instead, it's Oct 7th and I am left to dream about new coaches, new players, new schemes and (hopefully) a bright future while Eli is still in his prime.
I didn't think the OL & Eli could possibly be this horrific. I thought Snee would play @ at about 75-80% of his Pro Bowl form, Baas would be adequate if he miraculously stayed healthy, Boothe would be adequate, Beatty would play like he did last year & Pugh would be OK for a rookie if he had to play. Hoped either Brewer or Moseley would be OK backups. I also thought Robinson would round into a good blocker at least & Myers would be at least somewhat better than atrocious.
All the injuries happened way too early & made the OL a patchwork w/out any continuity or cohesiveness. The D actually improved from last year, especially against runs up the middle, but has been on the field way too long every game & has had to defend a very short field thanx to Eli ducking & chucking the ball to the opponent so often. The TO ratio is obscene.
I had predictions ranging from 4-12 to 7-9 for this team if you look at the site. I know I felt a winning record would be far fetched. I felt a team so dependent on an unproven guy like David Wilson was going to struggle.
This is a bad football team. That should be obvious to all.
didn't figure it would be this bad. I was thinking kind of a "win one, lose one" type of season and somewhere around 9-7.
The pre-season did show us that the offense was clearly struggling and there was no running game to count on. Then when we lost Andre Brown, it just made it that much worse.
Still can't believe we can't pressure the QB though. Where has this gone?