mainly the 3 intentional groundings and 3 INTs.
Intentional Groundings:
1. This was a bad call, IMO. Eli dropped back, fell down, got back up and threw it away. At no point was he threatened to be being sack. Hence, its not intentional grounding. It was an unfortunate play that I believe the Refs got wrong.
2. Blitz, one guy gets totally free and the other guy Jacobs held. Eli senses the blitz and throws to a spot where he thought a receiver would be. No one there, Intentional grounding. Now whether Jacobs was suppose to be the outlet or was he trying to avoid a sack, I am not sure. I put this one on Eli, but the other factors cannot be ignored.
3. Now this one I have no idea why people are even mad, or care. Look, he was getting sacked, and he tried to throw it away. Diehl or Pugh got beat instantly. Eli never had a prayer. He was a 1/2 yard away from making it a good play. Its easy to blame Eli for everything that goes wrong, but how about sustaining a block for longer than .25 seconds.
Now the INTs.
1. Should never have counted. I dont care if you believe he should have held the ball, its a penalty that HAS to be called. A missed call like that changed the entire course of the game. Eli's head was hit, grabbed, and twisted. The whole sequence is relevant because Cruz was WIDE OPEN in the middle of the field. The penalty has to be called. Besides, there was absolutely no blocking as another blitzer get through untouched (when does that happen for our defense)
2. Looking back, Eli was going to get sacked, so he tried to sqeeze it in.It was a bad decision. But the defender dove, and made a 1 handed catch in mid air. Now while the throw and decision was not his best.... you have to give Boykins some props for an amazing play.
3. All on Nicks. Its a slant route. I dont care if its guarded, you cannot stop your route, no way, no how. Its a timing route and when a player stops running his route after the QB releases the ball, its going to be doomed. Its these types of plays that should be crucified because he quit on a play that ended the game.
So whats the final synopsis? Eli made some bad mistakes, but in no way, no how did he cost us the game. 4 of these 6 plays he was hit as such as he finished his drop, or even quicker than that. When you cant run the ball, when you get bad holding penalties, and your OLine struggles to pass block - you get these type plays that ruin the game.
Thats why, IMO, its imperative that in the 2014 draft we take OL, OL with our first two picks. When Eli has time, he still can pick apart any secondary he wants.
Stop making dumb excuses for him. He has not been good this year.
I agree the first IG was bullshit from a ref crew that sucked eggs.
You don't discount the first INT because he got hit in the head.
I honestly don't blame him for the loss so much as I was disappointed that he didn't step up and carry them to victory. He didn't get a lot of help today, but he got a little bit more than usual and he didn't step up and seize the chance... not that it would have mattered in the big picture, of course, because this team stinks, one win or none.
Your analysis is good, and Eli does have an atrocious OL, no running game, and is dealing with a vastly overcomplicated offense. But he has more INTs than any QB who has come into the league since 2004, including many this year and last. He is also far too inaccurate lately. Like everyone else, he has played very badly lately.
Eli cant win on this site. Its all about perspective. The missed call on the first INT changed the whole game around.
Eli is the least of our problems. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking loon.
How in the hell can you blame Eli for this shitshow? Honest to God this place drives me nuts.
There is no running game. None. How is that Eli's fault?
His Oline was good enough today so that is not a good excuse today.
I dont want Eli benched and I dont want him replaced but I am nnotgoing to write epic novels excusing his every bad play. He left too many throws out there early on and was brutal today down the stretch.
Result: loss
ridiculous...
The fact that entering year 10 we have to still break down his mistakes and find where to place blame is frustrating. Time to change up the philosophy a little bit.
Eli throws too many picks. That's not an opinion - it's a fact. That doesn't mean he sucks, or we're not fans. He throws too many picks, they cost us games. It's not just the idea of turning it over and short fields. It's a very demoralizing play for the entire team. You get a big stop, you get momentum only to give it all back by throwing it up for grabs.
You choose to only see what you want to see because you don't want to believe that our franchise QB makes too many mistakes.
He's a great player, but he throws too many picks.
Eli isnt the only one who fucks up, believe it or not. But for a simpleton like you, its just easy to blame Eli.
But Eli suckz, every turnover and bad play is his fault.
Simpleton, your wods about me are meaningless since you are clueless about the game. A QB gets his head twisted as he is throwing, his fault. A WR stops his pattern, Eli's fault. A DT grabs Eli in a half a second. Eli;s fault.
The defense has 5 sacks this year. Eli;s fault. We have the worst rushing attack i nthe league. Eli's fault. Jacob;s fumbles the ball without being touched. Eli;s fault.
Am I a good poster like you now? Get bent. Go root for with the Bridgewater crowd, or jump on the romo bandwagon.
All I said, is that placing the majority of the blame or pinning this loss solely on Eli is asinine.
The majority of posters here have no clue about the QB position. None whatsoever. But its just much easier to place the blame on Eli. So trying to show people how its a team effort when something goes wrong, you have mr. know it all liek GiantsinTx just deny it and say Eli sucks.
Its tiring. Eli gets his in less than a second and tries to throw it away before getting sacked and gets intentional grounding, and he sucks. They dont even realize if he takes the sack its the same consequence.
RBs need to stop fumbling and hit the holes better
WRs need to stop dropping passes
DL has 4 sacks in 5 games. Thats pathetic
LBs need to tackle and cover better
See how this is a group effort. Eli's turnovers arent costing us games, which many posters have already said. ITs a TEAM effort why we are losing. Frankly, I dont know what Eli can do when he cant run playaction with this team and doesnt get more than 2.5 seconds to throw the ball.
No where did I say (or did I see someone else say) that Eli sucks. In fact, as I stated earlier, I'm a big fan of Eli Manning. He's the best QB in Giants history and Phil Simms is my favorite Giant of all time. Eli made some great throws today that were not caught. There is a difference between saying someone sucks and being critical of one of their major flaws. You don't have a clue about anything, so stop trying to call others out on this site like you do. You sound like an idiot. Your desperate attempt at becoming one of the BBI elite is laughable and you are simply embarrassing yourself in a attempt to be "accepted". Grow up and learn what adult life is actually like, ok champ?
Eli Manning throws too many interceptions. His decision making has gotten worse over the last 2 seasons and we are seeing bad mistakes that cost the team a chance to win some games. Everyone has stated ad-nauseum that there is a plethora of issues with the team, it's not just the issues at QB. Are ALL of the interceptions his fault? Of course not - but many of them ARE. He throws a shit ton of picks. You can try to deny it all you want, but it's an issue whether you like it or not.
INTs:
1. Hold the ball, despite having a guy wide open in the middle of the field.
2. Take the sack, even though Cruz had a step on the defender AND hit him in the hands.
3. Dont throw the ball, even though a slant is a timing throw in which you rely on the WR to get to a spot.
INtentional groundings:
1. Dont fall
2. Take the sack
3. Take the sack.
Here's a hint. On an intentional grounding, its the same loss as a sack.
You just cant blame something on him without looking at every single aspect of the play. I blamed 1 INT and 1 IG on him. Sorry if I felt other parties were responsibile for the negative play. I just dont come out and say Eli suckz.
He takes too many risks (yes it is a high risk offense) and I believe he is so unathletic he can't run himself out of trouble in ways other QBs can at least on occasion do.
5 INTs on either Miscommunication or a stopped route.
3 off deflection (One off Randles foot, one off Scotts hand, and the one off the Linemans head today)
He had a bad INT on the first play of the year, a bad one to Randle in double coverage against Denver, the bad throw on Boykins INT today, and I forgot the one with KC, but I am pretty sure it was on Eli.
So 8 of his 12 were off deflections or miscommunications. Again, Eli could be blamed on them, but when a WR is running one route and Eli throws another - its going to suck at the end. And ones off peoples hands and feet - well I cant blame Eli.
Between our putrid OLine, dropped passes, bad running game, and miscommunication routes - theres plenty of blame to go around.