Assuming this current season stays on it's current path, the Giants will win under 6 games. Assuming this scenario, do you think Coughlin remains our head coach or do you think he decides to call it a career(it's my belief that he will not get fired under any circumstance and he's earned that). He's up there in age and the team will clearly need to retool. I don't think we need to go into full blown rebuilding mode b/c we still have lots of talent at skill positions but significant changes will obviously occur. Will Coughlin stick around to steer us on this course or will he leave that to a new, preferably younger coach (clearly assuming Gilbride won't take over!)? I think there's a strong possibility this is his last season as the Giants HC. But there's also a good chance that Coughlin doesn't wanna go out on one of the biggest duds of his career so he may want one more shot to turn it around. What do you think?
Are joining Coughlin in a lame duck situation. Changing coordinators is not the answer here folks. Coughlin is every bit as responsible for this disaster as painful as it is to swallow and the time to change things up is now.
after 1-4 win season. No consequences? Let them try to sell that to the fan base.
Most thought he should have been fired after the 2006 season. I guess we're lucky Mara waited "one year too late" that time, right?
as a Giant. He's had a very strange career with the Giants - a huge roller coaster where he's dodged a few big bullets, had one almost inexplicable hot streak (2011) and a really good 2-year stretch (2007-8).
But this is Coughlins offense that Eli is in and runs and Gilbride play calls out of. It is a stale and predictable boom or bust offense now that needs a fresh approach and offensive innovation. Coughlin won't allow that as long as he is here.
Play calling is only part of the problem when your offense offers little ingenuity or adaptation.
It may not be his decision to make.
a regime change this team is way too sloppy. If Couglin comes back the team wont be much better next year.
65, a perfect time to go out on top.
I'm not - I'm 50/50 on that one, it's hard to tell. If it were Wellington, TC would be here to stay. With JM, I'm not entirely sure if it means TC is a goner or if they somehow strip him of some control or fire coordinators, etc.
Id be all in for him to be the new OC.
and your best defensive player a rookie? Why would you do that?
no chance that Coughlin stays and both coordinators are gone. There's an outside chance he dumps Fewell, but there's zero chance we have a new offense with Coughlin at the helm.
One way or another I suspect we'll have a new coach next year, but you never know. I'd imagine that there's going to be quite a bit of fan resistance is management decides to run it back with the same cast of characters after what looks like it's going to be a 4 win season.
It's pretty similar to the Eagles situation last year.
At 65, he took a chance that his legacy would be tarnished, and now it is.
back any part of this coaching staff next year will just be more of the same. Top 5 draft pick it's time to start over.
but after yesterday's game, and after listening to Coughlin's post game presser, it really sounded like he simply doesn't understand why the team is playing so poorly.
i'm not sure any of us fully understands why the team is playing so poorly either, but if anyone should have a good understanding as to what's wrong with this team, it's him.
time for a change. that said, i think the Giants organization will do the right thing by him. they'll ask him to retire and consider offering him a spot in the organization going forward. but i don't think he's on the sideline again next year.
It's hard to say but at this point I'd have to lean towards the ax. Mara has hinted at it in previous seasons but Coughlin always seemed to turn it around just in time or things broke right for him and that never really got tested. However, none of those seasons rose to this level of embarrassment. It's getting to a point where it casts a bad light on the entire organization.
what will happen at the GM position?
But Marc Ross might be in some trouble.
think he's gone. I think he'd like to stay and fix the mess. I'm sure he doesn't want to go out like this, but heads are going to roll throughout the entire organization, and not just the players.
As far as Reese is concerned, I think he stays, although one would hope that there would be a shake up regarding the scouting department. Reese needs to specifically take control over the draft from Ross, who has done nothing for us or the Eagles.
agree with those who say that Coughlin is effectively forced out, as politely as possible.
Or it will be another shit show next year.
The Giants are in record breaking territory as far as the worst D off all time. Thanks to Coughlin holding on to our suck as D coordinator.
I think Coughlin retires, and all the coordinators are let go. As noted, the harder question is Reese. I would not be troubled if he goes too. Hard to justify the drafting track record of the last few years.
regardless of what happens with the coaching.
Ross might go though.
I would be shocked if they let Coughlin go. The owners love the guy. IMHO, I think they should let him go but the Maras don't care what I think.
I imagine that he probably doesn't want to retire, and I very seriously doubt that the Giants would fire him. I would say that there is no greater than a 5% chance that he will be fired. He will be given at least two more seasons to try to get back to winning. That's my best guess.
...As we keep getting embarrassed, his stock drops every week, history or not...the players are no longer responding.
I don't care what the talent situation is like on this team, there is NO excuse to be 0-5. None.
along with the assumption it will only be minor. I think we are ALREADY in rebuilding mode, some people just don't accept that, but it's the case, and will continue through next year and the year after.It's a major rebuilding, not a minor one. This year was sacrificed so they can keep the rebuilding period as short as possible, because they don't expect to be competitive during that time, regardless of public statements to the contrary.
As to whether Tc stays or not, I think it depends how the year plays out and who does, or does not develop.If they continue to play poorly and he sticks with roster and playcalling as they are then I think he is gone next year. Unless he makes progress with the team as is I don't think he is back.
when you pry the playbook from his cold, dead hands.
I'd say we've been in denial that we need to be in rebuilding mode. Relying on Snee, Diehl, Baas, Tuck is "rebuilding"?
its how poorly the team has performed since LAST year as well.. This team isnt just getting beat.. Its getting BLOWN OUT.. its not winning at home.. Its last in defense.. last in rushing.. last in third down conversion.. almost last in scoring..
You also need to look at optimus's threads and realize the team was hamstrung financially. there wasnt mush to be done this year, and they addressed both offensive and defensive lines in the draft and the defensive line in free agency.the stop gaps are part of the rebuild. One must aquire materials before one builds, and that takes time. This was a year they spent setting up space for next years cap
Yeah, I would say so. We'll see. Mara has said before: "We are lucky to have him." He has also, I believe, talked about the benefits of stability. Those factors (plus the two SB wins) make me think it would take *a lot* for them to fire TC. I would say three losing seasons in a row might make it more likely. I don't think two losing seasons would do it given his track record and how (I imagine) ownership feels about the guy.
This offseason, this team will have missed the playoffs in four of the past five seasons, with the most recent season being a trainwreck disaster. How you bring back a coach who will be 69 next season based on that track record is beyond me.
2011 was the outlier. People who claim otherwise are allowing sentiment to cloud their judgment.
They're going to have to take the job from him.
Rex Ryan as our D-Coordinator.
how the fuck is this a year or TWO too late?
Two years ago this team was navigating through a super bowl season!
Coughlin got a pass for 2012 and rightfully so. You don't fire a coach off a 9-7 season ONE year removed from the super bowl. For fucks sake
IT's easy to get on mgmt right now. It's easy to skull fuck Reese and Mara at every turn but this is the first BAD year in 10 fucking seasons. TEN!
This is a bad team with so many holes in it that it will take years to fix. Of our current 22 starters, I can see 14-16 of them gone in 2014, and that's huge. Why stick around to endure the abuse of the NY media and fanbase when you can ride off into the sunset on the wings of your two super bowl victories and sip free shots of top-shelf whiskey - on the house - with high class strippers in any platinum club in the tri-state area for the rest of your life?
That was a rhetorical question, by the way.
I predict he'll retire, Reese will fire the rest of the coaching staff, and we'll bring in some college wunderkind to teach Eli the Read Option.
Maybe Lane Kiffin.
Coughlin's legacy will never be tarnished. If you actually believe that nonsense you are clueless.
Coughlin will get fired or retire or die on the football field but make no mistake, the guy will always be a legend in these parts. The Giants could go 0-16 and Coughlin still won't have to buy a drink in this town for the rest of his life. I love that guy. We all should. As loyal and hard working a coach this town has ever seen. And he delivered.
I really don't know if Coughlin gets wacked or not...I know it sounds crazy to even entertain the notion that Coughlin should get one more go at it in 2014...but I have a hard time kicking this guy out the door. But this has been a tough 20 game stretch. It looks like things are coming to an end. From late 2008 to now the team is clearly trending downward if you compare it to the team that played from 05-08.
I don't believe TC will retire nor do I believe he'll get fired. I also don't believe Gilbride will get fired although Perry Fewell is a definite possibility. I expect the Giants to revamp their Oline this season and give TC another year.
To win a game so far this season. I think this is it for Coughlin. Link
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Coughlin's contract runs through 2014, which means that if he's here next year, he either a) is in a lame duck year or b) is extended. The Maras don't operate under a) and there's no way that b) happens if the season continues like this.
the Owners/GM want him to make changes in his coaching staff, i.e. fire Gilbride and or Fewell, etc. Coughlin has proven to be very loyal to his players and coaches and if push comes to shove he may refuse to do that and retire instead. Otherwise, if everything remains the same I see the owners giving him one more year to right the ship after wnning two Super Bowls. This is the type of loyalty and class that Giants ownership has demonstrated in the past. Just my two cents worth.
have historically been averse to lame duck coaches, which Coughlin would be next year absent an extension. If Coughlin was at the beginning or middle of his contract, it would be much more likely that he'd stay but even then, no guarantee. This isn't like previous challenging seasons under Coughlin. Even the Jets haven't stunk it up quite like this.
it's time for a clean change, and new energy, you don't just wipe out his coordinators.
TC hasn't had the best track record of bringing in coordinators, and I doubt he'd be willing to bring in a new offense, which is the only situation I'd like him to stay if he were a serious candidate to be fired.
While Eli is in his prime we have to see what he has working in another system. I remain adamant in that.
I hope the front office has the same desire to see these curiosities answered as I do.
The offensive inconsistencies are killing this team.
We need a new point of view and a modern skill set from the draft, player evaluation, training on down. Can TC still make good decisions as a coach? Sure, but those on his staff have failed and the Giants just can't go on this way. What does TC have left of his reputation if he's forced to fire his coordinators, etc.? Not enough. Unless there are no significant changes -- which would be continuation of the disaster -- I don't see how TC usefully stays. Going out on a bad note? Well, that bad note is not going to end with this season. Now is as good as next year or the year after.