im not saying wether this coaching staff should stay or go, but in all honesty if we had to replaced TC, who in reality would you choose? this is just message board fun so no flaming... me, I would give Jon Gruden a chance to work with ELI.... and get him a good DC.. and see what he can do...
experience. For example, David Shaw coached in the NFL for 9 years.
Shaw, O'Brien, and Zimmer are very attractive names.
O'Brien also was an OC for all of one year
Not saying that's who I would choose, but it would not surprise me at all if he were our next head coach. He is only 55, he had a successful run in a major market city and he suffered primarily due to lack of qb talent. His final season was 10-6. He also was fairly high on the Giants list in 2004. Obviously he would need a good offensive coordinator, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. This all assuming coughlin is done at the end if this year, which is by no means guaranteed.
Lovie Smith was close to becoming our HC in 2004. I actually think he's the premature frontrunner for the HC job if Coughlin doesn't return next year.
not a SEC or Georgia homer, actually dislike anything Georgia, but I like Mark Richt.
Time for him to reinvent himself again.
see Jon Gruden come in and instill some ATTITUDE on the team.
plus it would add more intrigue to the Niners rivalry.
They knew they liked something about Cowher. So they kept his ass but changed coordinators. Ironically, they were Gilbride and Tjm Lewis. If Coughlin has to go I am fine with that. However, if ownership still thinks he can coach then keep him and change coordinators. We already have played musical DCs and if Gilbride leaves we will be on our 3rd OC.
I fucking could careless at this point of we keep TC or let him go. Personally, I think he can still coach but Coughlins problem hhe hires coordinators that aren't that good. We will be on our 5th DC and then our 3rd OC. I could deal with that if the coordinators are good. If not then we can say fuck it and just fire everyone. I just think he can still coach but bothsystems have hit their eexpiration date so to speak.
but if FO decides to go ina new direction - amek the decision as early as possible so the new HC can start putting together his staff or his plan for a staff ASAP.
meaning he's expired with them as well. 10 years is a long time, sometimes relationships get stale, and it's just better to part ways and bring in a new face.
would be to bring in a new GM and have him decide what he'd like in a coaching staff.
He hasn't had a chance to do that yet.
numerous chances. These coaches are his guys. If they weren't, he would have already made a change.
how can Reese show Coughlin the door when the Giants won a Super Bowl his first year as GM? Think about that for a second.
I do believe we can change the offensive and defensive philosophies of this team without having to decapitate.
In a perfect world, would love to keep TC and have Norv Turner as OC- won't happen, but I can dream.
is going to be picking the coach that gets Eli in the last years of his prime. Hopefully, they let someone with a very good track record to make that selection.
(Or at least he was, before Hoyer went down and he wasn't saddled with Weeden.)
They're not going to let him go, from his OC gig there, to make a lateral move to be OC here, even if the Giants somehow did have interest in him for that role.
bringing him here would be a lateral move, and they absolutely would not let him just leave.
Out of one of these HCs that lose their job.
take a position like Parcells took in Miami ( Director of FB or something). If he wants it. Replace Reese with Chris Mara. Hire Sullivan as HC. Let Sullivan get his own coaching staff.
Has a good rep, almost had the Cards job, lost to Arians at the last second.
with Norv Turner as OC would be interesting.
I'm not sure how I'd feel about Coughlin potentially lording over one of his former staff. I think there are some risks there.
My opinion all along is that TC was going to retire after this year, good or bad. The difference was how the Giants ended up doing and what that successor was going to look like. If the Giants had a strong season, I think that Sullivan would be the natural successor because of his ties to the team and the offensive system. It would makes sense from a continuity standpoint.
However, if we get a 4-12 crash and burn, all bets are off and I think the Giants would look to go in a totally different direction. For one thing, the Giants have not had a defensive minded head coach since Parcells (Handley, Reeves, Fassel and Coughlin all offensive coaches). The Giants defense has been in a decline for years and this year is Sheridanian in it's embarassment.
That said, and as much of a joke or whatever you want to call the Cowher stuff on BBI, I know that he's interested in the job. Period. So we'll have to see if the Giants have the interest in the other direction. In some cases, the Coughlin hire seemed inevitable back in 2003 as the season went to hell with Fassel. I have a feeling if things continue as badly for the rest of the way, Cowher might well end up being the same deal.
But I don't think he should have any authority beyond lending his voice to the conversation.
One thing I've never gotten - WHY is Cowher so interested in the job?? He has no connection to the Giants or the region.
My worry would be that he'd try to insert himself regardless of his stated role. That's a really bad dynamic in an organization.
Do you think Reese has more say in what goes on with the Giants than Chris Mara? Must be a weird dynamic having an owner report to an employee.
I would guess because of the market. It is a very glamorous job if you succeed in it.
If we were to pursue him (not altogether crazy), it would probably have to be as head coach...a little scary as a prospect. We would need a VERY strong DC...it wouldn't happen in a trillion years but a Turner/Rex Ryan combo is strong for a franchise on the rebuild.
I don't want Cowher here at all.
Bill O'Brien is interesting.
but as with Gibbs, how much passion would he bring back to the game? Sometimes being out of the game so long(7th year?) allows the game to pass you by..Possible exception, Vermeil. Who else made a successful return after being out 7 or more years?
However, only if he fires both his OC and DC.
Same deal with Wade Phillips. Two excellent coordinators who are overmatched as HCs.
if the Jets let him go after this season?
Gase or Hamilton or Stewart or Alexander or Gilroy.
That's my top 5.
I want the OC to be high percentage and QB friendly.
I wouldn't mind leaving TC as the guy who manages the games, gives the speeches and runs the practices, but hiring an OC who has full control of the offense. I'd love to see Spags back as DC.
the answer to that question comes from the closeness of the Mara and Rooney families. When you worked for the Steelers as long as Cowher did, he got used to stable ownership and a supportive football family ownership. Essentially, he worked for the AFC version of the Giants.
Secondly, coming in to NY, he starts off with a team that has a 2 time Super Bowl MVP at QB, a great deal of talent at the skill positions, and a defensive line that should be a lot better with guys like JPP, Kiwi, Moore, etc. There is a great deal to work with here so you can turn things around pretty quickly. For Cowher, he wouldn't have to find a QB, he's got one, which is the #1 thing a coach looks for.
You add in those parts, a potentially high draft pick, and cap room, the Giants are a very attractive job. From the Giants standpoint, Cowher is a known quantity, he's a defensive coach, and his ties to the Steelers allows the Giants access into his past thanks to the Rooney connections.
All I know is that I heard of his interest in the job before Bettis came out and said it a few years ago, and from what I understand, he is still very interested in it.
1. If the Jets fire Rex, he'll probably be in play for head coaching jobs.
2. I can't imagine for a second John Mara wanting to employ a Ryan, even with Rex being a great defensive coach.
idea. Also intrigued by Lovie. But O'Brien commands a presence. That scene with him barking at Tom Brady on the sideline and Brady basically looking at him like a scolded child was great. If you can back down Brady, I think you can grab a team like the GIants by the horns.
Would be great to get them both, but I'd be happy with O'Brien and Spags as a DC.
Not only because of the attitude he brings to the team, but also because no coach would be comfortable with the whispering Rex might do in the ears of players. Rex wants to be an HC. He'd have to fail AGAIN at another job to be in play for DC positions again. Sorta like Norv Turner did on offense.
but it will never happen here!
and we don't have any 3-4 personnel in the front 7, with the exception of Hankins at DT and Moore who can play 3-4 OLB.
Accorsi never wanted him here.
would be a nice improvement. Fartwell has to go no matter what
fartwell has to go if nothing else gets done at all