so with everyone calling for a new coach, who do you pick?

I would look at the college ranks..

Assuming you can't coax John Fox to come back if he wins the super bowl.

Otherwise, if Tomlin miraculously shakes loose, you pounce on him in a second. I would also look into Leslie Frazier, but IDK, I don't know enough about his coaching philosophy.

Other than that, in no particular order:

Bill Cowher
Jon Gruden
Mike Zimmer

It's probably going to be some well-regarded assistant. I can't see anyone in-house taking over.


Gruden seems like he's getting a better reputation than what he actually was. He won with Dungy's players, and then really struggled on his own, plus was difficult to work with.

as long as he gets new coordinators, new offense, new philosophy.

from Stanford would be someone I would definitely talk to.

but if he was fired, i'd hope that tomlin got fired from pittsburgh and the giants hire him. i think it's 80/20 tomlin stays in pittsburgh regardless of what happens and 50/50 for coughlin depending on how bad it gets, so it's really unlikely, but he's a great coach and i'd love to have him if coughlin is gone.

IF you have to "force" him to fire his own coordinators, then what's the point of keeping him? Keep in mind TC is going to be 68 next year if he's back with a team that would be on a team with a one to two year re-tolling plan going forward. Give me a fresh start with a QB who caters to Eli
s strength instead of forcing an offense down his throat that takes away from him and the weapons they have. Enough.

Mel Tucker could do.

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Anakim - I am not focusing on you but many are calling for Cowher. I may be in the minority but I wouldn't be thrilled with Cowher has Coughlin's succesor. I am not being confrontational, i am just curious what the pro-Cowher camp sees. Hasn't he been out of the game for a while or do you see this as an advantage?

Get some new blood in here for once.

The chances Gruden will is only slightly better.

would be an outstanding choice; Interview Adam Gase, Denver's OC who is only 35 and yes it's easy when Peyton is hte QB but he also helped to develop O when Tebow was QB and Peyton has spoken highly of him.. Carmichael seems to be content in NO as he pulled his name from consideration last year for a few jobs though he could be a good choice.. Ray Horton deserves consideration but I would go after Bill O' B first as he is very smart guy, insprirational speaker and leader, Billichick and Brady think very highly of him, and he might be the guy to lead Eli as he enters 5 more prime seasons..

i agree with you, i think cowher stays retired. won a super bowl his last season as a head coach, has a nice gig at cbs, i'm not sure he would want to return to coaching.

I liked his work with Roethelisberger when BR was a young QB in Pitt. I liked his work with Warner in Arizona. And I like what they're doing with Philip Rivers in SD now (I think this also has to do with Mike McCoy's influence...who I REALLY like....so a guy who has worked within that system would be a target for me).

He seems to me that a guy that got stuck in a tough spot in Arizona with just lousy personel. After what looks to be a nice reclamation job as the OC in San Diego....makes a lot of sense for where we'll be next year.

Anak won't be calling any of the shots on this.

Any new HC has to offer an idea for changes to the offense. So if a D minded HC gets hired he needs to offer a plan to change the offense and bring a bright minded coach for the offense that Eli supports.

I think Jay Gruden or Mike Zimmer will be strong candidates but the pool will be quite large initially with Cowher looming large despite the fact he would not be my choice.

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Cowher wants back in he's quite happy doing what he's doing now.. Whis is a very good coach as mentioned as he took a team that hadn't done anything in 40 years to the SB.

I think this is a realistic question right now.

I wouldn't mind Gruden. I think he was a good NFL coach and worked well with veteran QBs (Gannon and Miller). I also like Garrett. He's a good offensive mind and I think he could thrive in an environment where he wasn't being undermined by ownership. He also has a history with the Giants.

wanted him back in 2011 when it was rumored that Coughlin was going to retire
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I want new blood.

I agree. I like O'Brien out of PSU as an option. I think he would jump at a chance to coach Eli and be a HC in the NFL.

He would also espouse an offense that incorporated receiving threats out of the backfield and more talent at TE.

Tc and change the coordinators. If Tc has to be fired because the season final record is that bad, then I do like Zimmer or ken Whisenhunt.

and Shaw has NFL experience as well..

The thing that college coaches have to deal with is turnover... guys graduated.. get drafted.. leave for other schools.. The NFL has some of the same issues.. you have to be able to adjust for the talent you have.. which is one of the Giants biggest weaknesses...

with new cooridnators isn't very likely to happen; he either returns with the same group in place or perhaps Judy convinces him it's time..

That is a recipe for even more failure and dysfunction.

Coughlin is a part of the problem and people need to stop with the sentimental nonsense too of letting Coughlin decide when it's time to go.

Thats not how the real world operates.

I don't know how he would stack up against other proven coaches but he deserves to be in the mix.
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is Mel.

If TC stays, I think he'd at least fire Fewell who just hasn't done a very good job over his entire tenure. However.....as it has been said, what decent coach is going to take a coordinator job when the HC is approaching 70 yrs old.?

If TC is asked to step down/fired, it's going to be very awkward. I doubt TC is going to want to do that after what this season appears to be.......but really how much longer is he going to keep at this? Would TC just want one more year to prove his worth?

And rather then step down he'll have to be let go and that's going to be unfortunate.

I do think that a younger guy is needed, and a fresh approach on both sides of the ball.

I like O'Brien.

Don't like Gruden's brother or Wisenhunt.

Only on BBI would a guy a bunch here thought would be a natural, flies off the radar after a handful og games..


Optimus, Fewell's contract ends after this season. Reese merely has to opt NOT to re-sign him as opposed to having to eat a year or two of a contract

Spags again.

but if the Giants and he showed mutual interest, I could see Kraft letting him out of his contract, but not without compensation

Loved his work in Pittsburgh, and he took the Cardinals! to the Super Bowl. But you'd have to pair him with a strong defensive coordinator.

Zimmer and O'Brien are the other names that jump, but the Giants would have to offer big bucks to get O'Brien away from PSU.

Zimmer is 57

I thought all along it would be Sullivan, but how do you sell that to your season ticketholders and Suite PSL buyers?

the same O not sure he's the best option, he was seen as a potential heir especially after the last SB but after what's looking like a disaster of a season it may be time to go outside the organization for a fresh approach.

and would be 58 by next training camp, which is a bit old to take over as HC of a top tier franchise.

Lovie Smith interviewed well in 2004 and fits the Coughlin mold: some impressive results in his first stop with the Bears. Ready to extend what he learned from his mistakes earlier in his career.

There are probably 2 dozen better coaches they could hire.

That's the real mystery, not that he dropped off.

I want fresh, someone from the outside who will bring a completely fresh approach to this team

I likes ome of the names bandied about so far (O'Brien, Zimmer, Shaw) but don't know enough about any of them to strongly advocate for any one of them.

and the TV/Gilbride system

I wouldn't mind seeing Jay Gruden. Like what he has done with Andy Dalton and really only one top skill position player.

I remember in 2003, there were some in the media clamoring for Bob Stoops or Kirk Ferentz. Maybe it's because I'm mainly unfamiliar with their coaching styles, but very few college coaches succeed at this level. For every Jimmy Johnson (Cowboys Jimmy, not Dolphins Jimmy. Haha), you get a Barry Switzer. More flame out than succeed. Nick Saban, Bobby Petrino, Steve Spurrier, Chan Gailey, Dennis Erickson, Butch Davis, etc.

As for Cowher (and Tomlin and Jon Gruden for that matter), I just like the idea of having a HC who has won a SB as a HC (with the exception of Zimmer obviously, but many people, including Parcells, believe that it's a shame Zimmer hasn't been a HC in this league). I know the stat of how no coach has won a SB with two different teams, but it's invaluable to know what it takes to win. I do have concerns about him not having LeBeau on his staff, but he did go 13-3 without LeBeau as his DC in 2001.



And each candidate and criteria has some serious negatives, which is why I want Coughlin to return. There's no one that pops out as a no-brainer, no flaw choice. (with the exception of Tomlin, but I think there's little to no chance he's going to get fired). It's just a shame that Coughlin isn't younger.

But I really can't even begin to think about this right now. This is something I will leave to the GM and not think much about. There's still a good shot that they keep TC.

coached for the pats from 07-11 he's not a 'college guy'

I really like both the coordinators the Bengals have. They both have a fiery attitude, a players coach, and exceptional football minds.

The Bengal offense is not as good as I thought it would be. But their defense has been better than I thought. Which is where Zimmer comes in.

Gaase rates an interview maybe not enough experience
Ray horten DC of the browns rates a look see
Chris Peterson of Boise St also merits and interview

Come on. What has he proven? If Green doesn't get the ball his offense doesn't work. They have BGE, Bernard, Gresham, Eifert. Green Sanu, etc.

Whisenhunt?!? YOU MEAN WHIZ AND PUNT?!?!?

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forget his name, but I hear he is getting his props with Luck

He's made an explosive offensive team with a game managing average quarterback. That's no small feat.

experience. For example, David Shaw coached in the NFL for 9 years.

Shaw, O'Brien, and Zimmer are very attractive names.

Tomlin, then Zimmer.

O'Brien also was an OC for all of one year

Not saying that's who I would choose, but it would not surprise me at all if he were our next head coach. He is only 55, he had a successful run in a major market city and he suffered primarily due to lack of qb talent. His final season was 10-6. He also was fairly high on the Giants list in 2004. Obviously he would need a good offensive coordinator, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. This all assuming coughlin is done at the end if this year, which is by no means guaranteed.

Lovie Smith was close to becoming our HC in 2004. I actually think he's the premature frontrunner for the HC job if Coughlin doesn't return next year.

not a SEC or Georgia homer, actually dislike anything Georgia, but I like Mark Richt.

Time for him to reinvent himself again.

see Jon Gruden come in and instill some ATTITUDE on the team.

plus it would add more intrigue to the Niners rivalry.

They knew they liked something about Cowher. So they kept his ass but changed coordinators. Ironically, they were Gilbride and Tjm Lewis. If Coughlin has to go I am fine with that. However, if ownership still thinks he can coach then keep him and change coordinators. We already have played musical DCs and if Gilbride leaves we will be on our 3rd OC.

I fucking could careless at this point of we keep TC or let him go. Personally, I think he can still coach but Coughlins problem hhe hires coordinators that aren't that good. We will be on our 5th DC and then our 3rd OC. I could deal with that if the coordinators are good. If not then we can say fuck it and just fire everyone. I just think he can still coach but bothsystems have hit their eexpiration date so to speak.

but if FO decides to go ina new direction - amek the decision as early as possible so the new HC can start putting together his staff or his plan for a staff ASAP.

meaning he's expired with them as well. 10 years is a long time, sometimes relationships get stale, and it's just better to part ways and bring in a new face.

would be to bring in a new GM and have him decide what he'd like in a coaching staff.

He hasn't had a chance to do that yet.

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numerous chances. These coaches are his guys. If they weren't, he would have already made a change.

how can Reese show Coughlin the door when the Giants won a Super Bowl his first year as GM? Think about that for a second.

I do believe we can change the offensive and defensive philosophies of this team without having to decapitate.

In a perfect world, would love to keep TC and have Norv Turner as OC- won't happen, but I can dream.

is going to be picking the coach that gets Eli in the last years of his prime. Hopefully, they let someone with a very good track record to make that selection.

(Or at least he was, before Hoyer went down and he wasn't saddled with Weeden.)

They're not going to let him go, from his OC gig there, to make a lateral move to be OC here, even if the Giants somehow did have interest in him for that role.

bringing him here would be a lateral move, and they absolutely would not let him just leave.

towards David Shaw.

or Shaw

Out of one of these HCs that lose their job.

take a position like Parcells took in Miami ( Director of FB or something). If he wants it. Replace Reese with Chris Mara. Hire Sullivan as HC. Let Sullivan get his own coaching staff.

Has a good rep, almost had the Cards job, lost to Arians at the last second.

with Norv Turner as OC would be interesting.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about Coughlin potentially lording over one of his former staff. I think there are some risks there.

My opinion all along is that TC was going to retire after this year, good or bad. The difference was how the Giants ended up doing and what that successor was going to look like. If the Giants had a strong season, I think that Sullivan would be the natural successor because of his ties to the team and the offensive system. It would makes sense from a continuity standpoint.

However, if we get a 4-12 crash and burn, all bets are off and I think the Giants would look to go in a totally different direction. For one thing, the Giants have not had a defensive minded head coach since Parcells (Handley, Reeves, Fassel and Coughlin all offensive coaches). The Giants defense has been in a decline for years and this year is Sheridanian in it's embarassment.

That said, and as much of a joke or whatever you want to call the Cowher stuff on BBI, I know that he's interested in the job. Period. So we'll have to see if the Giants have the interest in the other direction. In some cases, the Coughlin hire seemed inevitable back in 2003 as the season went to hell with Fassel. I have a feeling if things continue as badly for the rest of the way, Cowher might well end up being the same deal.

But I don't think he should have any authority beyond lending his voice to the conversation.

One thing I've never gotten - WHY is Cowher so interested in the job?? He has no connection to the Giants or the region.

My worry would be that he'd try to insert himself regardless of his stated role. That's a really bad dynamic in an organization.

Do you think Reese has more say in what goes on with the Giants than Chris Mara? Must be a weird dynamic having an owner report to an employee.

I would guess because of the market. It is a very glamorous job if you succeed in it.

If we were to pursue him (not altogether crazy), it would probably have to be as head coach...a little scary as a prospect. We would need a VERY strong DC...it wouldn't happen in a trillion years but a Turner/Rex Ryan combo is strong for a franchise on the rebuild.

I don't want Cowher here at all.

Bill O'Brien is interesting.

but as with Gibbs, how much passion would he bring back to the game? Sometimes being out of the game so long(7th year?) allows the game to pass you by..Possible exception, Vermeil. Who else made a successful return after being out 7 or more years?

However, only if he fires both his OC and DC.

Same deal with Wade Phillips. Two excellent coordinators who are overmatched as HCs.

if the Jets let him go after this season?

Gase or Hamilton or Stewart or Alexander or Gilroy.

That's my top 5.

I want the OC to be high percentage and QB friendly.

I wouldn't mind leaving TC as the guy who manages the games, gives the speeches and runs the practices, but hiring an OC who has full control of the offense. I'd love to see Spags back as DC.

the answer to that question comes from the closeness of the Mara and Rooney families. When you worked for the Steelers as long as Cowher did, he got used to stable ownership and a supportive football family ownership. Essentially, he worked for the AFC version of the Giants.

Secondly, coming in to NY, he starts off with a team that has a 2 time Super Bowl MVP at QB, a great deal of talent at the skill positions, and a defensive line that should be a lot better with guys like JPP, Kiwi, Moore, etc. There is a great deal to work with here so you can turn things around pretty quickly. For Cowher, he wouldn't have to find a QB, he's got one, which is the #1 thing a coach looks for.

You add in those parts, a potentially high draft pick, and cap room, the Giants are a very attractive job. From the Giants standpoint, Cowher is a known quantity, he's a defensive coach, and his ties to the Steelers allows the Giants access into his past thanks to the Rooney connections.

All I know is that I heard of his interest in the job before Bettis came out and said it a few years ago, and from what I understand, he is still very interested in it.

1. If the Jets fire Rex, he'll probably be in play for head coaching jobs.

2. I can't imagine for a second John Mara wanting to employ a Ryan, even with Rex being a great defensive coach.

idea. Also intrigued by Lovie. But O'Brien commands a presence. That scene with him barking at Tom Brady on the sideline and Brady basically looking at him like a scolded child was great. If you can back down Brady, I think you can grab a team like the GIants by the horns.

Would be great to get them both, but I'd be happy with O'Brien and Spags as a DC.

by Greg Roman.

Not only because of the attitude he brings to the team, but also because no coach would be comfortable with the whispering Rex might do in the ears of players. Rex wants to be an HC. He'd have to fail AGAIN at another job to be in play for DC positions again. Sorta like Norv Turner did on offense.

but it will never happen here!

and we don't have any 3-4 personnel in the front 7, with the exception of Hankins at DT and Moore who can play 3-4 OLB.

Accorsi never wanted him here.

would be a nice improvement. Fartwell has to go no matter what









fartwell has to go if nothing else gets done at all