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NFT: Running a tri-axle dump truck over a buried SDR35 pipe

Knineteen : 10/8/2013 2:03 pm
I need 20 tons of fill delivered. The truck MUST go over a buried SDR35 pipe from my septic system. Pipe looks to be about 4" and buried 12" (guessing) in the ground.

Is there ANY tip or trick to accomplishing this?
Or am I going to be manually moving 20 tons of fill? (SOB!)
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I wouldnt let a truck that size/weight go over your septic  
GIANTS128 : 10/8/2013 2:11 pm : link
This is one of those situations where its better to be safe than sorry....
That is one  
Jerry in DC : 10/8/2013 2:12 pm : link
badass post title
crane mats  
Rocky369 : 10/8/2013 2:13 pm : link
bridge up on either side and run that suck over it. What's the big deal?
oh, and what makes you think  
Rocky369 : 10/8/2013 2:14 pm : link
the line has only 12-inches of cover?
You could get some 2 x 12s (or whatever works  
BillT : 10/8/2013 2:15 pm : link
Lay them over where the pipe is to distribute the weight. Something so all the weight isn't just on the tire contact area.
Truck is not touching the tank or fields  
Knineteen : 10/8/2013 2:17 pm : link
There is a 10-20 foot span of SDR35 that connects the tank to the fields. It's right behind that damn pipe where I need to dump and level out the fill.

It's bad enough I gotta pay $175 for something that I can dig out of the ground for free!
I'd risk it  
pjcas18 : 10/8/2013 2:19 pm : link
20 tons of fill will take forever to move.

what's the worst that can happen?

I think the line is only 12" deep  
Knineteen : 10/8/2013 2:19 pm : link
because the distribution box is visible on the ground. The same pipe going into the box is only buried 6" or so. I'm probably being generous with the 12" guess, it might be shallower.
holy crap  
chris r : 10/8/2013 2:20 pm : link
this post just emasculated most of us.
If it's a foot down  
Phil from WNY : 10/8/2013 2:27 pm : link
wouldn't it be simple to fix?
pothole for the line  
Rocky369 : 10/8/2013 2:28 pm : link
if it's buried 12-inches, you've got freezing issues with it already.
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BigBlueBuff : 10/8/2013 2:31 pm : link
of the week.
try the sikorsky sky crane  
asbasb : 10/8/2013 2:36 pm : link
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If its not a class three tank  
B in ALB : 10/8/2013 2:43 pm : link
Which it most likely is not and youre talking about driving over the field i wouldn't drive anything over it. The more you compact the area - especially if the ground is wet at all, which it most definitely is - the less of a life span you'll get on the field. And if your field has any honeycomb installed - mantis, green leech, whatever - I wouldn't drive a small tractor over it. You're talking about PVC pipe only buried a bit higher than the outflow. I wouldn't drive a dump truck over it.
In all seriousness, and I have no clue, but is it more difficult to  
BigBlueBuff : 10/8/2013 2:44 pm : link
to fix the septic pipe than it is to move 20 tons of fill?
And btw  
B in ALB : 10/8/2013 2:45 pm : link
20 yards of fill isn't that big of a deal. Get a few buddies over, couple cases of beer and you'll have it moved in a day.
1 ton  
pjcas18 : 10/8/2013 2:51 pm : link
= 1 yard?

if so, I agree. I thought depending on density of the fill, 1 ton would equal multiple yards.
It could weigh a bit more than 2000lbs  
B in ALB : 10/8/2013 2:55 pm : link
But let's put it this way - a yard of mud could be up to 3000 pounds and fill definitely isn't mud. Still, it's not really that much for a bunch of guys.

Hell, rent a skid steer for the day and chop your time in half.
Gotta agree with B....  
okiegiant : 10/8/2013 3:27 pm : link
20 tons of fill sounds like a lot but it really isn't.

If the pipe is only 12inches deep you risk crushing it. You probably(key word here)wouldn't flatten it(it's pvc, right?)but you'll end up cracking or splitting it, maybe even quite a ways from the initial weight, and you'll have all kinds of trouble later.

Also remember the weight of this truck is going to be enormous. Wait until you see the depth of the tracks it makes as it moves across your apparently damp ground.
B in ALB  
Knineteen : 10/8/2013 3:34 pm : link
I'm not happy to admit this, but I've already had a small tractor work for an hour over the area. Had a massive tulip torn down and they needed the equipment to move the wood.

The (somewhat) good news is the fields are less than 10 years old, so hopefully new construction standards produce more robust systems. The tank is original. NOTHING runs over the tank...partly because it's in an ideal location away from everything.

The septic system is really screwing up my plans for my property. I'd love to pay someone to haul in 200 tons of dirt and level my entirely property but I know this would probably destroy my entire septic system. Now I have to pick and choose my battles.
And I was wrong  
Knineteen : 10/8/2013 3:36 pm : link
the 10-20 foot span of SDR35 is really more like 50-60 feet. The tank is at least 50 feet away from the fields.
I've replaced a field and tank before  
B in ALB : 10/8/2013 3:43 pm : link
Is a dirty, nasty, ugly, miserable job. I recommend the safest route. Take your time.
Knineteen  
B in ALB : 10/8/2013 3:48 pm : link
Good luck pal. Like I said, the biggest I'd go is a small tractor or skid steer for earthmoving.
Irrespective of the tri-axle truck question  
Knineteen : 10/8/2013 3:50 pm : link
doesn't the septic contractor have to run over the fields with heavy equipment anyways to finalize the installation? Surely they have to use something with a bit of weight to fill-in and spread dirt and top soil.
Yeah  
Knineteen : 10/8/2013 3:52 pm : link
I'll probably go the manual route. The exercise will be nice.
Right but they could be using  
B in ALB : 10/8/2013 3:53 pm : link
an excavator at a distance from the actual installation.
Just make sure you run it  
G2 : 10/8/2013 4:15 pm : link
on 220-221. Whatever it takes.
I would recommend  
hoffarestshere : 10/8/2013 4:16 pm : link
you either move it maually or you rent a small skid loader for the day. It shouldn't cost more than $200 a day and many places will rent them for half days for less.

Sunbelt is a good national company. They don't do half days rentals but, they don't charge extra for delivery either and if they are more than 45 minutes late delivering, you get the day for free.
If you're that worried, spend a little extra and get  
oghwga : 10/8/2013 4:36 pm : link
2 or 3 smaller loads delivered with a smaller truck.

Duh.
SDR35  
dorgan : 10/8/2013 5:40 pm : link
pipe in 4" has a wall thickness of 1/8" and has very little hoop strength. The truck will flatten it or crack it.
6" isn't much thicker and it's not any more resistant to outside force.
The skid steer isn't a bad idea or any small tractor with a bucket will do. 20 yards is a lot more to move by hand than you've been led to believe.
Just do what dorgan did  
RB^2 : 10/8/2013 5:43 pm : link
when he was helping build the pyramids.
20 yds might be a lot to move if you're a Jets fan!  
okiegiant : 10/8/2013 5:53 pm : link
Knineteen is a Giants fan...he's a manly man!
20 yards of fill, dirt, sand  
B in ALB : 10/8/2013 9:09 pm : link
Whatever isn't a big deal if you have some heads. It just takes some doing.

But it depends on how far you have to move it. If its front yard, driveway, back yard...easy shit.

If its over the meadow and thru the fuckin woods then you either change forkin plans, sell the property or airlift that mutherfucker.

Or be prepared to be knee deep in your own shit...and everyone else's that has ever visited your casa.
The Greeks and Romans would have known what to do.  
manh george : 10/8/2013 11:09 pm : link

Use a catapult.
Go around the fuckin pipe?  
Davisian : 10/8/2013 11:32 pm : link
?
It's about 30 yards to transfer from dump site  
Knineteen : 10/9/2013 12:30 pm : link
to fill-in site. Luckily, it's downhill too. However, I'm a little hesitant to operate heavy equipment on a plane. I had the luxury of operating a Terramite T5C; fun toy but almost flipped it on a dozen separate occasions!

Looks like I'm going shovel and wheelbarrow...
this is not a problem  
alligatorpie : 10/9/2013 7:26 pm : link
I will stop by and some of my friends and i will lay down around the afflicted area.

then you can just drive over us for $10.00 an hour
why not  
Bleedin Blue : 10/9/2013 9:01 pm : link
use a Bob-cat rent one of those to transport the fill after you have it dropped in a safe place. They also have motorized wheel barrels, you may be able to rent one of those.
Cut the pipe where the truck will need to pass over  
lono801 : 10/9/2013 9:49 pm : link
and put it back when it leaves...

If its that shallow...it wont be filled with shit...
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