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Reese and Free Agent Signings

Giantcol22 : 10/9/2013 3:22 pm
A lot of people including myself have been critical of Reese and his drafts. However he hasn't done such a great job with our high priced free agent signings either. Here are just a few.

Cris Canty: A solid contributor but never became the Keith Hamilton type player Reese envisioned. I never understood why they brought him here being that he was a 3-4 end.

Antrel Rolle: One of my favorite player because he plays hard every single game. However with that said he was never worth the kind of money that Reese gave him.

David Bass: I don't think I really have to say too much here. No one was overly excited when we signed him and now we know why. Always hurt but even when he's healthy he's an average player.

I mean Terrell Thomas is another guy who was about to get big contract and I just never saw him as a guy who we should give even Corey Webster type money to. What do you guys think?
Terrell Thomas  
Mondo : 10/9/2013 3:23 pm : link
was the best tackling CB in the NFL.
terrel thomas  
cokeduplt : 10/9/2013 3:27 pm : link
was the giants best corner before injury
Rolle  
Giantology : 10/9/2013 3:27 pm : link
We paid a lot for him, but any team was going to. It's not like we were going to get a safety his caliber for a lot less. People need to understand that players near the top of their position are going to make more money and get bigger and bigger contracts.

The same can be said for Canty, who, while he was never spectacular for us, was a huge cog in our 2011 postseason run and was a good player for us when healthy.

Baas also played his best ball for us in the 2011 postseason run. Outside of that run, he really hasn't been very good. So I'll agree this wasn't a good signing.

Thomas was signed to a contract that was quite fair and gives us the opportunity to void it.
Terrel Thomas  
Giantcol22 : 10/9/2013 3:31 pm : link
was a great tackler but he would get beat quite a bit. I always remember Maclin and Dez Bryant having big games against him. For a 2 or 3 year period Corey Webster was a much better cover guy than Thomas. He would basically the other teams best receiver out of the game.
Thomas is one of the better Giants defenders right now...  
okiegiant : 10/9/2013 3:31 pm : link
even with the previous injuries.

Reese has been pretty good about letting certain players walk before throwing big money out them(remember when Smith, what a shame he was injured, was signed away by the Eagles. BBI about imploded)so he has that going for him.

About the only big signing I was disappointed in was Bass. I didn't think he was that good with San Fran but the pickings(if I recall correctly)were pretty slim that year.
I thought Canty was a dissapointing signing as well.  
Giantcol22 : 10/9/2013 3:33 pm : link
He never really earned that contract.
I'm not going to include Antrel Rolle  
chrispisano66 : 10/9/2013 3:34 pm : link
on any list of bad signings for Reese. In his time here he has been tough, versatile and played a big part (I believe) in getting the defense to wake up for the final 6 games of 2011 that lead to a championship.

I typically am not a fan of guys who talk as often as Rolle does but he backs it up and plays hard through injuries. He may not have been as much of a ballhawk as you'd like, but he is still effective. look no further than last Sunday when he pretty much locked down Avant all day.

In NFL free agency, it's nearly impossible not to overpay, which is why the Giants as an organization typically try to stay away from it and build through the draft and the secondary FA market. Sometimes, like after the 2009 season with CC Brown and company, you have no choice but to go out there and fill a major hole via FA.

That said, the Baas signing has been highly disappointing, Canty alittle bit less so.
Canty  
pjcas18 : 10/9/2013 3:36 pm : link
like most Giants DT's is not a player whose stats are going to jump out at you and maybe I shouldn't speak for anyone besides myself, but I feel like he's a player who many people have trouble evaluating.

I don't think he was an awful signing, and almost all the time you have to overpay UFA's, so no he probably didn't prove to be worth his actual salary cap hit on the field, but you could argue most UFAs don't
Just remember  
Bill in UT : 10/9/2013 3:37 pm : link
that for every one of these mediocre stop-gaps we keep on the roster, and I'll throw Aaron Ross, and Rivers, and Diehl and Kiwi into the mix, there's a kid who didn't get a chance.
The Giants acquiring big time free agents and me not driving a Rolls  
PeterS : 10/9/2013 3:41 pm : link
Royce - neither have the $ to do so.
Reese and Ross  
TMS : 10/9/2013 3:49 pm : link
should be relieved of duty regarding acquiring NFL talent for this team after the last 5 years. Look at the replacements we have for a team that won two SBs a short time ago.
Canty was very good until he hurt his knee  
BillT : 10/9/2013 3:50 pm : link
Rolle been a very good player for the Giants as well. Baas hasn't been healthy enough to know whether he'd have been any better. Seems Reese is better at FAs than you are at starting threads.
When it come to evaluating talent ...  
BBPR. : 10/9/2013 3:51 pm : link
Reese is mediocre at best.
Canty won a starting defensive end job with the Ravens,  
Reese's Pieces : 10/9/2013 3:52 pm : link
who still have a pretty decent defense. He was out of one game hurt but in the other four had two sacks and two forced fumbles. He only had one forced fumble in four years with the Giants.

One of the Raven's beat reporters said that Canty had a "dominant" minicamp in June. Who has ever said while he was here that Canty was "dominant" anywhere?
There is a lot wrong with this team.  
MD Giant Fan : 10/9/2013 4:00 pm : link
Reese, Gilbride, Fewell ad Coughlin should all be held accountable.

Fewell and Gilbride definitely need to go. There schemes are just not working. Fewell is just poor! look at Osi and Canty with new teams. Osi has four sacks, forced fumbles, a pick six and Canty has 2 sacks and two forced fumbles. The giants D as a team only has 5 sacks.

He does not seem to know how to get pressure on a QB anymore.So for me, Fewell needs to be the first guy out the door.

As for Reese, my issue with him is Oline. He has a great QB that MUST have protection. he is a not a QB that is going to scramble and create. He is a master in the pocket and without protection he is below average as his current stat line dictates. Protect Eli and he is in the elite category, don't and he looks a lot like the lower caliber QB's in the league.
T2  
Toth029 : 10/9/2013 4:01 pm : link
Was a playmaking type CB. He wasn't consistent in coverage, but he was a good blitzer, a fantastic tackler, and had his best season with five picks. And he was super young. It's a shame.

Overpaying for guys like Canty and Baas came down to needing players at those positions, but injuries derailed both really. Moreso than being simply bad signings.
Wait...  
SoDev : 10/9/2013 4:43 pm : link
We won a Super Bowl... all justified. Every move he made to that point.

You give up anything to win a SB. I don't want to be good for 10 years without rings. Give me the damn trophy.
With all that said  
blueblood'11 : 10/9/2013 4:43 pm : link
Add this to his list of shit moves. Not resigning Bennett and giving Myers that money. Letting the only guy on the defensive line who can still pressure the quarterback walk. Osi!!

Signing Dan Conner and letting a heart and soul guy like Blackburn go. How did that work out along with all the other washed up linebackers he has brought in.

Oh, and he did such a good job with the running backs he had to eat shit and bring back a guy he had no use for a year ago. Let's face it, Jerry Reese has hit the skids man. He is spinning his wheels bigs time and I think it bears watching how he handles the mess he has created.

When you look at the way he has denutted this team I don't know how any of us as Giant fans can honestly say in Reese we trust. He has a lot work to do to earn that trust back.
Good riddance, Osi  
Bill in UT : 10/9/2013 5:07 pm : link
I watched him a lot last year. He may have gotten some QB pressures but he ran himself out of every running play that went to his side, and they made sure to run a lot to his side. He's half a player, at best, and his attitude sucked. Blackburn is only missed because his replacements are so awful. Remember, they'd already cut him before they had to bring him back. Great guy, very limited linebacker.
FA  
stretch234 : 10/9/2013 5:15 pm : link
Rolle has been a very good player who also has been asked to play slot corner a lot of the time

Canty when healthy was really good. He was the guy people kept double teaming

Baas has been a tough one. When healthy in the playoffs he was real good. Problem is when he is not healthy he is bad. I understood why they signed him. He was the best FA center on the market and Reese was not going to have a R or JAG at C

He has made very good decisions on letting people go

You are going to overpay for top young FA. It is the NFL
Baas was a definite bust...  
Sonic Youth : 10/9/2013 5:20 pm : link
...but I don't know how Giants fans can rip on the signings of Rolle and Canty. Both were huge parts of the defense when healthy, and really solid contributors. Sure they might have made more money than they were worth, but that is an expected when you sign an established FA for the most part. A roster is always a blend of higher priced FAs and players on draft contracts, and I don't think Canty and Rolle were a misallocation of cap resources.
Let's face it,  
Doomster : 10/10/2013 8:23 am : link
Canty and Rolle were just part of a 6 game team stretch, where they played lights out....outside of that, what, have either done?

Might have been better to retain Cofield, than give the money to Canty....

Rolle is given all the credit for what he said during that 6 game stretch....Tuck couldn't open his mouth, so someone had to say something.....to say this defense turned completely around because of what Rolle said is pure legend.....now if Rolle's words could have magically transformed last year's team or this year's team, maybe I could buy it....

It was a special moment where offense and defense came together, and we may never see it again.....
Too much is made of Blackburn.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/10/2013 8:27 am : link
It's like we collectively forgot that he was teaching schoolchildren in the middle of 2011 and was only picked up because of injury.

He was not some playmaker. The INT in the super bowl is his Tyree moment.
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