"It seems pretty clear that something is rotten here. No team should have this many players taken in the top half of drafts either out of the league or playing at far less than their level of ability because of injuries. It's just difficult to parse out what that problem is, exactly. Is it that Reese is somehow identifying and selecting players who are particularly prone to injuries? Is Coughlin overworking his players in a way that's more likely to put young players on the shelf? Can it be just randomness, that a sample size of about 30 players who might have had meaningful careers with the team just happens to have more injuries than anybody would have expected? I honestly don't know the answer..."
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b) a by-product of Reese's concentration on measurables such a height, length and speed.
c) an unlucky coincidence.
You pick.
But that overview is accurate and pretty depressing. How our opinions changes in a matter of months.
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I think you're right in saying this. I wonder how the Giants situation compares to the Cowboys, Eagles, and Redskins.
So, other than that, how did you like the play, Mrs. Lincoln?
Sheesh.
It would be interesting to see this analysis done on other teams. But the bottom line is that the Giants are not getting much production from the draft. And when you have a few guys making alot of money...you are suddenly really thin. Injuries happen and then you suck.
I know in hindsight it's 20/20 but at that time, can anyone really fault the giants for drafting Sintim at that time. Who knew he would be injured so often and ineffective because of his injuries?
- Steve Smith
- Kenny Phillips
- Terrell Thomas
Adequate/Depth Players:
- Adam Koets
- Jay Alford
- Kevin Boss (probably would've left anyway)
- Jon Goff
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- Chad Jones
That's a lot of guys.
He ticks off names and medical conditions: Tony Boselli, left tackle, washed out at 29 after a string of surgeries to his shoulder, knee, and ankle; Leon Searcy, right tackle, badly hobbled by leg woes and waived out of the league at 32; Jeff Novak, left guard, retired at 31 after playing on a leg that bled like rotting meat, and which the then-team doctor so grossly mishandled that a jury awarded Novak $5 million when he sued the physician, Dr. Steve Lucie. "Lucie was no more than a yes-man for Coughlin, but it was the trainers who really put the wood to us," says DeMarco. "They handed out these big, long packets of Vicodin and shitloads of muscle relaxers like Soma and Flexerall and were always hassling you with 'You playing? You're playing, right?' – and that wasn't just on game day. That was Wednesday practice." (The Jacksonville Jaguars declined to comment for this article; the Bengals told 'Men's Journal': "The rules regarding injury treatment procedures are based on the government regulations and the NFL's collective bargaining agreement. The Bengals, to the best of the team's knowledge, are in complete compliance in these areas regarding Brian DeMarco.")
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we took Clint Sintim 8 picks ahead of LeSean McCoy. Wow!
I know in hindsight it's 20/20 but at that time, can anyone really fault the giants for drafting Sintim at that time. Who knew he would be injured so often and ineffective because of his injuries?
Many said it here during that draft. I don't know who anybody else wanted at that pick, but when I saw McCoy there I was begging they grabbed him. I thought he would be a great player at the time. Sintim seemed like a square peg in round hole, but I thought he'd be good. McCoy was just too good a player to pass there. My thoughts at the time, no hindsight needed.
...but how many of the recent draft picks post draft presser included "This is a great pick because if not for (knee/foot/whatever) he'd have been 2 rounds higher, 30 picks higher, whatever?
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Barnes.
It seems like from the time he was head trainer, and currently head of the medical program, guys have been injury prone, especially with long term hammy problems keeping guys off the field 'forever'.
I know some odd stuff has happened with players getting major hurts in practice, like blowing out a teammates knee, or a cleat getting stuck in the field, but our guys are either unhealthy to begin with, clutsy, it's just a matter of stuff happening.
I like the idea of a team by team comparison, but I still feel something is wrong with how they are conditioned.
I don't know if there is anything to this story or not, but singling out the trainer seems like an odd response.
For most football players, health is a secondary concern throughout an entire life of building up to making it to the NFL. Staying in the NFL is even tougher than making it to the NFL, for all but the elite few. Most players probably do worse damage to themselves by listening to idiot bosses who are going to waive them if they call in sick.
The general failure of that draft class I think was a turning point for this franchise. It is reasonably possible that in 10 months our only asset from that draft will be a left tackle with an albatross contract.
Agreed. I don't have the facts but wouldn't be surprised if a similar article could be written about every team in the league. Three facts are evident:
1.) It's a brutal game and injuries are a part of it.
2.) The NFL is played at such a high skill level with such little margin for error that once injured and knocked even a little off one's game, it's hard to come back.
3.) Projecting from college excellence to pro adequacy is a crap shoot.
because they use same stadium as we do ..
Otherwise, there's really no one you can point to and say bummer. Chad Jones never had a chance to show anything. At best, there's a couple like Goff who looked promising before getting injured, but there's also a bunch who looked promising, never got injured, and never panned out.
Overall, there's a lot of misses, a lot of never played in NFL, and a lot who played, but probably shouldn't have (like Barden).
I wonder if it has to do with our supposed reliance on the three cone drill as a predictor of pro success. Is it possible that knees that allow rapid change of direction are more fragile and susceptible to tears? Looser joints to start with?