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Passing Game is Falling Victim to the Blitz

Emil : 10/11/2013 9:28 am
I posted this on the "Whats Wrong With Eli" Thread, but it really is a different conversation.

On Mike and Mike this morning, two of Eli's INTs last night occurred when the Bears brought a DB on the blitz. This tells me three things.

1. Eli and or the WRs are not making consistent pre-snap reads
2. WRs are not making good blitz adjustments to the route (changing the depth of their route, changing the route)
3. Both QB and WR are not reading the post-snap coverage as the defense rolls and adjusts post blitz.

Mike Gollick provided the following (I've added my insights as well):

On the first INT, Eli is blitzed from his right, meaning the WR to the right side of the field is the "hot" receiver as that part of the field is affected by the blitz. I don't know which WR is on the right during this play (probably Nicks) but he does not make the proper route adjustment (run a slant, run a hitch, or whatever the hot route call is).

This forces Eli to go off his hot route and go to his secondary option, which is Reuben Randle on the left. Randle looks to be running a very nice curl route, but there is one problem, he hasn't read blitz either. True, he is not the hot WR as his side is not affected by the blitz, but when blitz is recognized every receiver is expected to adjust their route. For the WR affected by the blitz, it's often a route change. For other WRs, you are expected to shorten your route stem by 2-3 yards (couple of steps) in anticipation that the ball is coming out more quickly. Eli throws the ball in Randle's direction, where he expects the WR to be and where he should be given the blitz. But...Randle's not there as he has not come out of his break yet.

Also, not surprising to anyone, while the Oline played better last night, protection issues still continue, which is disrupting the timing of the passing game.

Not trying to absolve Eli as you can say perhaps he should not have thrown the ball, but you can't blame him for expecting the WR to be in the right spot. A QB needs to trust that his WRs see the same thing he does and are where they are supposed to be. Eli is let down by the WR running the hot route and by the far side WR not adjusting his route to the blitz.

I'm not even going to get into the 2nd INT, which was 100% a miscommunication between Eli and Randle. You can say what you want about whether Eli should have thrown the ball, but the coverage was Cover 3, and Eli made the right read. Randle did not.

These types of mistakes have happened a lot this year and while they cannot account for all 16 of Eli's picks, it is a fair number. (At least 5 according to Mayock, and I actually think it's more.) This passing game could be prolific. When it looks good, it looks real good, but it appears to be one brain cramp away from disaster on every series.
Sounds fair  
jcn56 : 10/11/2013 9:34 am : link
The 4th and I think obvious one you omitted is that when Eli has been under fire this season, he's been so reluctant to take a sack that he's made mistakes that have led to turnovers.

Ill advised throws, throwing off his back foot, that shovel pass to Scott last night that remarkably didn't turn into another pick-6, etc. All the result of trying too hard to eliminate a sack and making something worse happen instead.
jcn56  
Emil : 10/11/2013 9:36 am : link
I agree with that. I should have mentioned it. I said that to my wife last night when Eli tried to get cute and flip that pass to Scott. Sometimes you need to take the sack, just as Phil Simms. It was nice to see Eli throw the ball away on one play though.
I ask this as someone who has never played organized football  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/11/2013 9:36 am : link
Can the WR on the other side of the field see the blitz? With teams disguising until the last second, the ball is hiked, he can see the blitz on the other side through traffic?
Jim  
Emil : 10/11/2013 9:38 am : link
Good question. Even if Reuben cannot see the defensive alignment this is where communication comes in. Eli or the hot route WR should read the blitz, and communicate that via both voice and hand signals. So even if Randle cannot see it himself, he should have been "told". I hope that happened, because if it didn't, then the problem is bigger than Reuben Randle not reading the coverage, it means the offense is completely out of synch.
OH, I thought there was pre snap and post snap  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/11/2013 9:40 am : link
Basically a play is called, Eli can change the play at the line.

Once the ball is hiked, the wr has options on the play.

Is this incorrect?
Another observation  
Emil : 10/11/2013 9:40 am : link
Anyone else impressed with how well the Bears blitzed? They rarely got pressure with their front four, didn't hear the name Julius Peppers all night. But when they blitzed they got there or affected the play. The Giants on the other hand, only had one effective blitz all night, and Cutler threw they in the dirt and then whined about it.
Jim  
Emil : 10/11/2013 9:46 am : link
It's two fold. There are situations when Eli will change the play at the line dependent upon front and coverage. Generally these are times when the offense needs to change from run to pass or from a pass to a run. Referred to as an audible. Every QB who has the trust of his coach has this authority and Eli is pretty darn good at it.

In situations when the play call is a pass, but the blitz is one, the QB can change to a run, depending on the front, but he may decide a pass is the better option given the down, distance, and front and will rely on the WRs to make the proper site adjustments. The WR or WRs affected by the blitz will often run the designated hot route (usually a slant, hitch, or fade) while WRs not affected will shorten their route to account for the collapsing pocket. Eli could have checked to a run on the play mentioned above, but he likely concluded the WR to his right would run the proper hot route, which honestly could have gone for a big gain if executed properly. An offense who has less confidence in its passing game would probably have checked to a run, but there is no reason for the Giants to fear employing their trio of WRs as they are the best weapons on offense. They just all need to be on the same page and execute better.
Jim  
Emil : 10/11/2013 9:54 am : link
Regarding the option routes, the way these work is the WR has options on different stems he can take in his route based on the disposition of the DB post snap. (When the blitz is on, these options actually diminish as the play needs to be more decisive. Basically, when things happen faster your options are fewer).

A good example is your typical curl route. Let's say Victor Cruz is running a curl. If the DB jams him on the line and Cruz beats it with no safety over the top, he is probably cleared to take the top off for a big gain. Essentially your curl has become a go or a fade.

Let's say Victor is running a curl and the DB gives him a free release in zone coverage. Cruz will probably take the initially stem up to 8 yards, start his curl, and sit down to the inside of the DB and find the open spot in the zone based on where the safety, OLB, and CB are sitting.

If Cruz is running a curl and gets free release in man coverage he will run the similar 8 yard stem, but if the DB comes up at this point to his inside, his curl will now become a fade. If the DB comes to his outside, he will continue with his curl (with the top hook coming up to 12 yards or so) and then flatten out to the inside. If the ball is not instantly in his hands when he comes out of the curl, he will drift left or right, depending on coverage.

You see similar reads in post routes, corner routes, and flat routes.
TAKE AWAY THE SHORT  
Giants2012 : 10/11/2013 9:56 am : link
and give the Giants the Long. By the time the guy gets long the OL breaks down.

They're all doing it
Jim  
Emil : 10/11/2013 9:57 am : link
That should read flag routes, not flat
Giants 2012  
Emil : 10/11/2013 9:59 am : link
Can't disagree with you. Defenses know they can get home to the QB if they make our Oline pass protect for more than 2 seconds.
I Believe Teams Are Taking Advantage Of The Offense's Complexity  
Trainmaster : 10/11/2013 10:04 am : link
and all these post snap reads. There is probably so much tape on how the Giants offense reacts to different defensive blitzes that teams can "predict" our reaction and plan a counter play accordingly.

With our OL issues, there should be a pre snap short route on almost every passing play. If there is a blitz and the short route or the hot read is covered, Eli needs to throw the ball away.

If Jacobs continue to play better / well (I don't expect another 100 yard game), at least Eli will know someone in the backfield "has his back". With Jacobs in the backfield (vs Wilson) he has someone who knows were to be to pick up the blitz, and at 260+ lbs, can actually do something about not only a blitzing LBers, but a D lineman as well.
I have always thought  
Emil : 10/11/2013 10:09 am : link
Our passing game was overly and needlessly complex. I'm a much bigger fan of the buddy route concepts with pre-snap motion to get your WRs singled up. No doubt in my mind our top 3 WRs can beat single coverage 90% of the time.
Emil  
Matt M. : 10/11/2013 10:58 am : link
I think a lot of it is not just the reads (by both Eli and the WRs), but bad design. How many times, blitz or not, do we see plays where every pattern (including RBs and TEs) is a minimum of 10-15 yards downfield? It is ridiculous. So many times it seems like there is either no hot route and/or nobody to check down to. Hell, last night, how many times did Maycock point out Eli hit his 3rd read and that was downfield?
MattM  
Emil : 10/11/2013 11:24 am : link
I don't disagree with you, what I outlined above is just part of the problem. A post on my thoughts on the unnecessary complexity of this passing offense would be pages long. The hot routes and blitz adjusts are the simplest part of this offense.
The fact is,  
Doomster : 10/11/2013 11:45 am : link
it doesn't just happen to Randle, it happens to the other receivers too....how long must this go on before we change the system?
option routes  
Rob_MTL : 10/11/2013 12:04 pm : link
Option routes are not exclusive to the Giants. Broncos Saints Patriots use them also.
pretty  
whobetta : 10/11/2013 1:12 pm : link
much agree w/ everything Emil saying.

on the other teams running "option route" there is no way the designs are similar.

those teams use such a variety of formations, they intentionally get single coverage for certain players and are always throwing passes less than 5 yards.

those systems are completely different, to say anything other than they have "options" would be a farse
whobetta :  
Rob_MTL : 10/11/2013 1:41 pm : link
All I said was that some teams also use the option routes.

I never said those offenses were similar in design.
Another layer to the mix last night  
JonC : 10/11/2013 1:45 pm : link
which was much easier to see on NFLN, is how the Bears mixed up the looks on defense last night. Tucker's feel for the game is something Fewell rarely shows, and they were running a lot of basic cover 2, cover 3, single high, swapping disguises pre-snap, etc.

Obviously, this makes reading the route options even more difficult for QB and receivers.

Teams do this regularly, it was much easier to see on last night's TV coverage.
Emil,  
AnishPatel : 10/11/2013 1:46 pm : link
1. Eli and or the WRs are not making consistent pre-snap reads
2. WRs are not making good blitz adjustments to the route (changing the depth of their route, changing the route)
3. Both QB and WR are not reading the post-snap coverage as the defense rolls and adjusts post blitz.


That's enough for this system to make things highly ineffective. Moreover, this system offers ZERO margin for error. So a fuck up, or better phrased, "miscommunication" will always result in an Int in this system. Factor in bad throws or decisions by Eli, not running routes properly like Nicks, or odd shit like the ball bouncing off a foot into the air, and you get a big time shit show.

This is why I loathe the system when you analyze the above 3 critical factors. Rivers, Ben, Romo, and Ryan all have had system changes to their respective offenses. I am still waiting.. more like praying, I get to see ELi in a new system before he retires.
also  
JonC : 10/11/2013 1:50 pm : link
Eli got rolling once the Bears started deploying more man coverage, and he struggled and made many more mistakes when they deployed zone, per usual.
4. Eli is making foolish throws  
HomerJones45 : 10/11/2013 2:24 pm : link
if the hot read and the secondary are covered or not where you expect them, you heave the ball in the stands. You don't blindly heave the ball and hope for the best.
Learned A Lot, Emil, About What the Problem Is  
Percy : 10/11/2013 10:37 pm : link
In this thread. Looks like the system is too tough for the receivers to get it right reliably if the opposing D disguises the blitz well. Add Eli having to fear for life and limb when faced with it and we get what we have: a high risk, dysfunctional passing game. What are they supposed to do about this now? The system they have is the system they're stuck with, isn't it?
something else that is being ignored or forgotten here...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 10/11/2013 10:49 pm : link
one of the serious issues we have is that we simply are not running screens or using them as a counter to the blitz. Watch how many times when we bring extra bodies, the opposing team runs the screen (it always seems to be when we blitz) and they pick up a nice gain with it.

The opposition does not fear this play because we DO NOT HAVE IT IN OUR PLAY BOOK. This is a Gilbride issue of course. We have sucked at screens even when we used to try but I believe their design has simply been poor.
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