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Bringing Coughlin back: attractive for OC and DC candidates?

chris r : 10/11/2013 3:50 pm
Does bringing Coughlin back make the Giants more attractive for top OC and DC candidates? He's an older coach so the HC spot of one of the leagues too franchises will soon be available, and a good coordinator will obviously have an inside track. Plus, I'm sure he's pretty well respected among his peers so it's a chance to learn from him before competing for the Giants HC job.

Who are some of the best young OC and DC candidates who are a few years away from competing for a HC job?

Yes I know it's not 100% sure that Fewell and Gilbride won't be back.
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bottom line  
cokeduplt : 10/11/2013 4:02 pm : link
coughlin needs to go we need a new coaching staff
Wisenhunt  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/11/2013 4:03 pm : link
But we would have to pay out the wazoo to get him.
If this team hires Sullivan after he's inevitably fired in TB after  
Riggies : 10/11/2013 4:04 pm : link
this season, especially as an HC-in-waiting-OC, they deserve to be terrible for the next however many years.

Sadly, I can totally see Coughlin pushing for it, if he's still around and just Gilbride/Fewell see the door.
RE: RE: It won't come to that.  
Default : 10/11/2013 4:04 pm : link
In comment 11273151 cokeduplt said:
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In comment 11273140 Default said:


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Expect the some HC, DC, and OC next year, just new positional coaches.



if that happens expect more of the same next year


I agree.

I think this year's 3-13 season will be a blip, but until there is a complete overhaul be prepared to see a bunch of 6-10 and 5-11 seasons.
Sullivan  
Sammo284 : 10/11/2013 4:05 pm : link
Has done an awful job in TB and would just be a recycled version of Coughlin. We need a turnover and preferably not one thrown by our own QB
Whisenhunt is OC in San Diego right now.  
Riggies : 10/11/2013 4:06 pm : link
(And has done a good job seemingly, at least so far, of getting Rivers righted after a couple down years.)

Like with Turner and the Browns, the Chargers aren't going to let him make a lateral move.
If we were to clean house of HCs and Coordinators  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/11/2013 4:10 pm : link
I would want a young up and comer as our HC, and at least one of the coordinators as a retread HC.

I really think TC is coming back though. I can't see the Giants letting his tenure end with such a sour taste.
I had this sudden...  
Chris in Philly : 10/11/2013 4:13 pm : link
vision last night of Mike Nolan as our next head coach...
I also really wouldn't mind a guy like Mike Zimmer as our HC  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/11/2013 4:13 pm : link
He's no young buck, but he seems TC-like in the sense that he seems like he has no desire whatsoever to hang them up any time soon.
It Won't Matter  
Arkbach : 10/11/2013 4:20 pm : link
TC isn't coming back.
I think this would be very attractive, especially for an OC  
Matt M. : 10/11/2013 4:24 pm : link
First, they get to coach Eli, Cruz, Randle, and maybe Nicks. Second, if they are a former HC or longtime OC they know no matter what Coughlin isn't going to be around for much longer anyway. So, this could be a stepping stone to the HC position.
green bays qb coach  
eleven : 10/11/2013 4:26 pm : link
Ben Mcadoo is actually a name you hear good things about. Tc would have to change schemes somewhat but the kid is apparently pretty impressive.
The question is does TC let a new  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/11/2013 4:41 pm : link
OC adjust or change his offense.

TC is loyal to his system. Just don't see an up and coming top offensive mind wanting to totally run someone else's offense with little input. Gilbride has TCs ultimate trust. How much trust would he have in a new assistant regardless of resume.
This is tricky.  
shabu : 10/11/2013 4:42 pm : link
Honestly I can't see new (quality) coordinators coming in here unless TC is committed to the giants long term and they him.

Coughlin is signed through 2014 so unless they negotiate an extension I can't see TC dumping coordinators and starting over for a 1 year situation.

That said, ownership might force a coordinator change especially on defense with PF's until consistently under-performing.

Perhaps TC's reluctance to make that change causes him to retire ?

It certainly be interesting to see how this plays out if more weeks of no winning continue.
RE: Whisenhunt is OC in San Diego right now.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/11/2013 4:44 pm : link
In comment 11273166 Riggies said:
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(And has done a good job seemingly, at least so far, of getting Rivers righted after a couple down years.)

Like with Turner and the Browns, the Chargers aren't going to let him make a lateral move.


Isn't the way around that to call him "Assistant Head Coach" rather than OC and offer him much more money?
Dick Jauron  
DG : 10/11/2013 4:51 pm : link
might be willing to coach the d for a year. He runs a more aggressive (difficult not to do) 4-3 than Fewell, and he's served under TC before.
Time to move on from Coughlin  
Rflairr : 10/11/2013 4:55 pm : link
.
I believe Coughlin will be back, with the condition that  
DG : 10/11/2013 5:02 pm : link
he pick the DC. Fewell will be gone. Gilbride will be back, imo. I would think the new DC would be someone outside the current staff that he is familiar with, as was the case with Fewell. Jauron would be a logical choice in this scenario.

I don't see Mara asking TC to retire unless the Giants go 1-15 or 2-14. Even then, i think TC gets to coach the final year of his contract and then retire. Which is why i think a DC like Jauron makes sense.
Gilbride is a bigger problem  
Rflairr : 10/11/2013 5:05 pm : link
than Fewell
I was inclined to believe that too..  
DG : 10/11/2013 5:12 pm : link
but Gilbride has seniority and at least 1 coordinator is going to be gone. it's probably going to be on the side of the ball that isn't in TC's area of expertise.
You can hire lovie smith as dc. Prepare him for hc. Or as mentioned wi  
chiro56 : 10/11/2013 5:13 pm : link
Wisenhunt as oc prepare him for hc
I see Lovie Smith  
DG : 10/11/2013 5:20 pm : link
as within the realm of the Giants' thinking. He'd be a significant upgrade over Fewell. More Cover 2 though.
they should bring in someone  
mdc1 : 10/11/2013 5:48 pm : link
from the college ranks instead of the next NFL retread. At least we will get some innovation as part of it. Redefining the team is important.
There's  
Arcanum : 10/11/2013 5:53 pm : link
No way in hell, Coughlin, Gilbride, and Fewell, should be back. This season has been a disgrace. I like Coughlin, but come the fuck on. The players stop responding to this staff years ago.
I think that people need to accept that TC will be back  
DG : 10/11/2013 5:54 pm : link
barring a 1-15 trainwreck. Ownership will not ask him to resign unless it's a 1-2 win season. Even then he may be back.
I like the idea of Lovie Smith becoming the DC  
Beer Man : 10/11/2013 5:57 pm : link
But will he take the job, or does he want another HC gig?
I can't see how anyone would accept  
drkenneth : 10/11/2013 6:05 pm : link
TC coming back with both Gilbride & Fewell.

I think it goes something like this:  
drkenneth : 10/11/2013 6:08 pm : link
John Mara: "Tom, we love you and would love for you to stay, but I need changes to be made. A new OC & DC."

TC: "I'm not willing to do that."

Mara: "Well then we will have to move in a different direction. I'd like to give you the chance to retire."

Or some shit like that.
RE: I think it goes something like this:  
Arcanum : 10/11/2013 6:13 pm : link
In comment 11273520 drkenneth said:
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John Mara: "Tom, we love you and would love for you to stay, but I need changes to be made. A new OC & DC."

TC: "I'm not willing to do that."

Mara: "Well then we will have to move in a different direction. I'd like to give you the chance to retire."

Or some shit like that.


Make sense to me
Would Lovie Smith as HC  
chopperhatch : 10/11/2013 6:36 pm : link
and Bill "Don't you raise your fucking voice to me again Brady" O'Brien as Assistant HC and OC be a total pipe dream?

Moving from HC in college to OC in NFL... don't know if that's so lateral. But man, those two would command some respect and put the right players on the field.
Why would it not be enticing?  
montanagiant : 10/11/2013 6:41 pm : link
You have the oldest coach in the league and most likely his HC spot in 2 years to work for. Of course it is a good thing.
If O'Brien leaves Penn State it's going to be for a head coaching job.  
Stu : 10/11/2013 6:42 pm : link
No way in hell he jumps to be an assistant coach.
Stu,  
chopperhatch : 10/11/2013 6:56 pm : link
I'm good with that. The man commands a room. I think he's young enough to be respected but firm enough in his ways to run a tight ship.

Or maybe I just love him making Brady look like he just got put on timeout.
Didn't Penn State get beat  
G2 : 10/11/2013 7:11 pm : link
by Indiana?
I would love Turner as the OC. I have always secretly ...  
Boy Cord : 10/11/2013 8:25 pm : link
... wished Eli could play under Turner. Hell, I would take Gregg Williams, too. It's not going to happen for multiple reasons, but I think this defense would develop a Big Blue attitude again rather than Baby Blue.
It's time for a fresh start  
GiantTuff1 : 10/11/2013 10:59 pm : link
a lot of the old core will turn over, and it's only natural to do the same with the coaches.

A new young and flexibly minded HC, please.
Gilbride...  
Gregorio : 10/12/2013 8:29 am : link
I have to admit that his big-play strategy at times is very effective. However, the lack of short-gain game (3-step drops, short passes etc) drives me crazy. There have been so many opportunities to gain between 5-10 yards, yet the team often goes for long gains. There is more at the root of the Giant's issues than just this, but the lack of short-gain offense is on Gilbride.

I would support a housecleaning of the entire coaching staff.

Spagnuolo  
spike : 10/12/2013 8:42 am : link
can return as DC
Gee  
jintzz : 10/12/2013 1:03 pm : link
I wonder how good this team would be If all the injured players were healthy,didn't we win super bowls with these guy's,just saying..
Garrett &  
bob in tx : 10/12/2013 1:08 pm : link
Spags.
Where is  
AnishPatel : 10/12/2013 1:12 pm : link
spags now? I wouldn't mind bringing him in as a DC again. If we fired Fewell last year, Horton was a guy I liked a lot. I am not sure what OC I want. Whisenhunt and Turner are hired already. Any good, creative college OCs?
Sr. Def.  
bob in tx : 10/12/2013 1:17 pm : link
Asst. with Ravens
Oh, I am sure  
AnishPatel : 10/12/2013 1:18 pm : link
he wants to get back up the ladder. A good start is DC, and if his defense can be successful, then he is young enough to get a second crack at being a HC somewhere.
im sure this was covered on the mssg board  
area junc : 10/12/2013 3:58 pm : link
but how would firing gilbride change anything if coughlin stayed??
bob,  
Big Blue '56 : 10/12/2013 4:34 pm : link
if Dallas doesn't make the playoffs this year, you think Garrett's gone?
Garrett is getting canned  
spike : 10/12/2013 4:47 pm : link
if the Boys dont make the playoffs.
If he gets canned  
AnishPatel : 10/12/2013 4:49 pm : link
and we clear our staff or both coordinators. I'd take JG any day as our coordinator.
I don't think there's anyway in heck TC gets outright fired.  
BlueLou : 10/12/2013 5:14 pm : link
One coordinator at least will be sacrificed, and Quinn most likely too.

TC guided this club to two SB rings when in fact the talent on the field was not really better than "above average" at just about any position.

Or maybe you want to name the HOF candidates from TC's two SB winning clubs? Strahan of course, but other than Michael? Eli, and so far no-one else. Maybe Cruz, Nicks, or JPP if he gets his head out of his ass and plays up to his physical potential.

Folks here are really forgetting too fast what TC did for this team, and we continue to over-rate our players' talent.
Garrett would deserved to be fired if Dallas doesn't make the playoffs  
jcn56 : 10/12/2013 5:20 pm : link
That's because a person who had never seen a football before today could guide them to a playoff berth this year. The Eagles stink, the Redskins stink, and the Giants - stink doesn't even cover it.

If Dallas doesn't manage to get to the playoffs this year, then everyone there deserves to be canned and never participate in organized football ever again.
10-6 will bring  
bob in tx : 10/12/2013 6:37 pm : link
Garrett back. 8-8 & a first round loss gets he canned.
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