I'm disappointed in some of Reese's draft choices. The fact that have not worked out is one thing. But if nothing else he stole Beason from the Panthers. A great move by him in an otherwise rough stretch. I compare the Beason heist to finding a diamond in the rough like Cruz.
Now the Giants do get an exclusive negotiating window from the end of the season (or now even for that matter), until the start of free agency, but I have to believe with Drew Rosenhaus as an agent, that Beason will know exactly what he can get on the market and will not accept a penny less to play here.
1 yr. deal ..hasnt played much but I saw him as a big weapon
and so did Reese...if he plays well..he will get big $$
in FA and go somewhere or we will have to pay...why didn
t they try for a 2-3 year deal
Nicks, Joseph, Boothe (I think signed 1 year), Connor, Rivers, Ross, Thomas, etc..
I think 11 or 12 guys on the 53-man roster are UFA's, even replacing them (not re-signing them) with veteran min, contracts would cost 12 - 15M.
that's not considering anyone long-term.
I pray he can stay healthy, we might have something there.
15-20 mil sounds like a lot but in salary cap reality, it's not much.
Unless something changes, I see the Giants starting the 2014 season with pocket lint for spending.
He has to re-sign or else it was a useless deal
I saw Mundy looking real physical when he first got here - hitting guys like he wanted to hurt them. Not too much of that lately from him.
Will Hill seems to be playing really physical ball at safety. The DT's have shown some of that as well. Honestly, that's been it on defense.
Now Beason last night showed some of that physical play from the linebacker position. We've had some hope at linebacker over the years. In particular, I was impressed early on with Jacquain, but more from flying around the field, and not really from his physical play.
If Beason can help some of the guys around him to play with a tough, wanna-beat-you-up mentality, the trade will have paid off even if we don't resign him, imo.
We need to look for two types of players on this team to hopefully model the kind of play we want: playmakers and physical brawlers. Not sure we have too many left.
Eric is 100% correct that the only way Beason is worth anything is if the Giants resign him this offseason and he plays well next year. The 2013 season is essentially over for this team. Otherwise it was burning a 7th rounder to rent a player to play in a meaningless season.
I will admit I never expected him to come out and play as well as he did last night, but his talent was never in question, it was his health, or if he can stay healthy.
and if he proves to be a 3 down LBer....I bet we keep deal as is
I didn't buy that, just like I didn't but the early 00's when they did the same thing with the Oline. Not properly addressing that has finally caught up to the team, they invested far to many times in a high-mid round WR over an Olineman.
At any rate, I don't believe for one minute that Beason is a one year rental, he will man the middle of this defense for the next 3-5 seasons. I am very happy with the acquisition.
He has too many injuries to invest more than a vet minimum into after the year.
Bottom line - I don't understand the point of the trade.
He has too many injuries to invest more than a vet minimum into after the year.
They're cutting him? He's a FA. And there's no way of knowing right now whether or not they will decide to retain him or be able to.
We haven't had a NFL quality MLB in YEARS (going back to Antonio Pierce). Sorry Blackburn.
Bottom line - I don't understand the point of the trade.
They don't have the money to sign him to a deal in this league year.
I'm not here to knock Reese, but he must restock the OL and LB positions this off-season.
Though Prince, Linval, Pugh would have a slight lead.
bradshaw, jo williams. cox and scott
What evidence is there that signing him for 2013 increases the Giants chances of signing him for 2014 then would have been the case had they simply waited for 2014 free agency?
The hamstring comment was a joke in reference to our players always getting injured or having a big time decline in performance after signing a contract. Surely, if Beason were to sign somewhere else, he would revert back to Pro Bowl form. Aside from the ACLs, I am most concerned about the microsurgery. But we will let our physicians make that decision.
What evidence is there that signing him for 2013 increases the Giants chances of signing him for 2014 then would have been the case had they simply waited for 2014 free agency?
Before the Bears game the front office doesn't believe the season is over. Since we have him we can negotiate with him before other teams. Also, given his injury history wouldn't you rather see him suit up this year and see how he plays for us before offering him a significant contract? Why wouldn't having him play for us this year increase our chances of signing him? Most players enjoy playing for the Giants because it is a first class. It is somewhat of a gamble, but so is every standard 7th round pick. I like the move.
To see if he can play. It's not about just 2013. Regardless of the opinions of the board populace, it's pretty evident the Giants think 6th and 7th rounders are disposable currency. If fans want to think picks that late are critical, there's no telling them otherwise, but the only thing that matters is what the front office thinks. What they told you is they like Beason's chances of being relevant much more than whatever leftovers are in the 7th round of a draft six months from now.
They think Beason can play. They brought him in because they think highly of him. If he can stay healthy, they have the inside track to keep him.
The draft is a complete crap shoot - even 1st rounders - and the one thing that increases your chances overall is quantity of selections - now maybe you're right about the current regime since it appears they can't get very much value out of any of their draft picks these past few years, but with all such sarcasm aside, draft picks are the single most valuable commodity that exists in Jerry Reese's world.
Picks in that range are like lottery scratch offs. Sometimes you win $20 and get a special teams player. Most times you don't get anything. And sometimes due to special circumstances or just luck, you actually win a prize.
But I'd never rely on production from a 6th or 7th rd pick. That's nothing but hope and prayers.
You get football players in the first four rounds.
You get athletes who you think might be able to be football players one day after that.
The draft - including the first round (including the first 5 picks) - is a crap shoot. The first round is just less of a crap shoot than the 7th round is.
And I agree about the "scratch off lottery tickets" analogy. But that doesn't mean you don't want to collect those tickets - and you sure as heck don't just give them away.
At the end of the day, I was simply questioning whether trading fro Beason when the team was 0-4 already made any sense IF there was no benefit beyond 2013. As was noted, perhaps the Giants get some inside "first refusal" type consideration from Beason, but at the end of the day he's going to go to the highest bidder and I'm not convinced the Giants did anything but throw away a "scratch off ticket" for nothing of value beyond 2013.