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LaCanfora CBS: Teams preparing offers for Hakeem Nicks

Defenderdawg : 10/13/2013 10:13 am
"Teams view Nicks as the best option available and with the Giants in a freefall, big changes possibly on the way there, and Nicks a potential unrestricted free agent at the end of the season, other general managers want to hear for themselves just how amenable to a trade Giants GM Jerry Reese might be. Several GMs contacted believed the Giants could get at least a third-round pick for Nicks, even if he is just a late-season “rental” who then hits the open market in March."

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this makes me feel ill  
GiantSteps : 10/13/2013 10:15 am : link
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Unless they have no plans to resign him  
Jolly Blue Giant : 10/13/2013 10:15 am : link
A third is way too low
Do it Reese  
DavidinBMNY : 10/13/2013 10:15 am : link
Get a 3rd and and a 6th.
IMHO  
JCin332 : 10/13/2013 10:15 am : link
it ain't happening unless someone offers a 1st..
2nd rounder  
Ash : 10/13/2013 10:15 am : link
Let's go.
3rd and a 5th  
spike : 10/13/2013 10:15 am : link
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ok spike I like that better  
DavidinBMNY : 10/13/2013 10:16 am : link
:-)
I wouldn't trade him unless I could get a 2nd that  
yatqb : 10/13/2013 10:17 am : link
got us another 2nd next year if he re-signed with that team.
I'm  
Jon in NYC : 10/13/2013 10:17 am : link
in for a second.
BTW if I am reese  
DavidinBMNY : 10/13/2013 10:17 am : link
I am advertising everyone is for sale. Make me your best offer.
You're only ever  
Ash : 10/13/2013 10:18 am : link
in for a second.
Giants appear to have 3 options  
BigBlueinChicago : 10/13/2013 10:18 am : link
1. Resign him to a new deal

2. Place the Franchise Tag on him for I think $11 million in 2014 and force a team to give up a 1st rounder if they want to sign him.

3. Trade him before the deadline.

Take your pick.
We can get a damn 3rd  
djm : 10/13/2013 10:19 am : link
If we just let him walk in the offseason. Fuck off, NFL teams. Pony up or zip it.

And this makes me feel ill as well.
Related piece on Kenny Britt  
Defenderdawg : 10/13/2013 10:19 am : link
Third-round pick for Kenny Britt? Teams balking at Titans' asking price
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He can always be slapped with a tag  
mikeshecky : 10/13/2013 10:20 am : link
So any team that offers a high draft pick in a trade isn't exactly taking a huge risk in losing him. Secondly, if a team trades for him and then loses him in UFA - they would almost certainly be getting back a 3rd round comp pick.

So what's the risk to a contender who is a stud receiver away from serious contention? Especially if a bidding war begins? The Pats could not only desperately use Nicks, but blocking him from becoming a Chief or a Bronco is extremely valuable to them.

Bottom line,no way the Giants trade Nicks for a low third rounder like is being speculated here...
If Nicks leaves via FA  
PEEJ : 10/13/2013 10:20 am : link
he'll probably be worth a 3rd round comp pick (albeit a year later). Need to get more , if he gets traded
didnt the seahawks give up multiple picks  
NewYorkGiants : 10/13/2013 10:21 am : link
Including a 1st for percy

Percy also had injury issues and was apparently a bad teamate



I wouldnt trade nicks for anything less than a 1
I would trade him to the Patriots among the group mentioned only  
Manningdynasty : 10/13/2013 10:21 am : link
Screw the 49ers and falcons! Also trade him then resign him would be brilliant
Ditto on feeling ill..  
JCin332 : 10/13/2013 10:21 am : link
And I think them Franchising him is a very good possibility as Chicago stated above..
Are they the same teams  
BigBlueBuff : 10/13/2013 10:23 am : link
that were "lining up" to make Cruz an offer?

This sounds like LaCanfora throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.
But a team would pay a 3rd for Nicks  
DavidinBMNY : 10/13/2013 10:23 am : link
He is a solid citizen, not like Britt who is crazy.

When you think about re-establish the team, the team needs to get young and just needs volume of players. And the Giants already traded there 7th pick (albeit in I think a very valuable move for a 7 and 7th rd picks often don't stick).

Really moving Nicks makes sense for Nicks, and the NYG, even if it makes you ill this year, this is a business and I don't want the giants giving nicks 10 mm a year. If he was Calvin Johnson or AJ Green I'd feel differently but he isn't that level of WR.



Gotta be very careful with this  
Optimus-NY : 10/13/2013 10:25 am : link
A mid to early 2nd rounder would pique my interest though. IT all depends on if the Giants feel they are going into a total rebuild or a slight re-tool. If it's the former, then you seriously consider trading him (only for the right price of course); if it's the latter, then you keep him.
BBB - I never liked LaCanfora  
Optimus-NY : 10/13/2013 10:27 am : link
He just irks me for some reason.
I know it is hard for some to grasp but we should be in a selling mode  
robbieballs2003 : 10/13/2013 10:29 am : link
The trade deadline is coming up in the NFL and you rarely see trades happening midseason. If a team is offering picks for our players then we have to consider it. I'm not saying we should just dump players for the sake of dumping them especially as some have pointed out that we can FT Nicks at the end of the year. We do have to remember that if we FT Nicks it is going to affect what FA we can go after in the off-season with that cap number being held for Nicks. So, while we could FT Nicks I don't know if it is in our best interest to do so. We we don't get an offer for Nicks then you have to tag him but if we do get a decent deal it is not just that we got a second round pick over a first round pick but we would also have a lot more cap room to work with in FA. We could assess our OL and LB while having draft picks to take care of the rest.
The Giants know  
Bill in UT : 10/13/2013 10:31 am : link
that Nicks is going to cost at least $10M a year and they should know now if they're going to pay it. If they are, make him an offer now before there's a bidding war. Put a tag on him and he'll play like a dog, IMO. You wouldn't want him around. But if they won't pay up, and they can get a 3 as compensation, I'd definitely hold out for more than that. I wouldn't count on a 1 though.
They'd get near a third rounder just letting him sign elsewhere  
NoMatter : 10/13/2013 10:33 am : link
Why bother trading for that low?
Agree, we should be sellers,  
Frank in Mexico City : 10/13/2013 10:37 am : link
no loyalty now because we are in clear rebuilding mode. Nicks is a good player but if we can get more now than when he walks after the season, pull the trigger. Very little chance he gets resigned after this year when a new OC will be in place. Oline is a much bigger priority and will take much of our available cap space.
I'd like to see  
spike : 10/13/2013 10:37 am : link
the Pats and the Bengals get into a bidding war.

Nicks + Green + Dalton = deadly offense.
Or the Colts desperately need someone  
spike : 10/13/2013 10:39 am : link
better than Hayward-Bey to complement Wayne (who is no spring chicken himself).

Nicks would fit perfectly in that offense
Nothing less than a 2nd rounder  
BayRidgeBlue : 10/13/2013 10:40 am : link
this feels very similar to the Mets and Reyes situation from a few years back.

While I have zero knowledge and it's pure speculation, my gut tells me that Nicks doesn't want to be here anymore...sometimes people want to move on and have a fresh start/new opportunities. I hope I'm wrong but that's just the impression i get.
Something higher than a 3rd, sure  
jcn56 : 10/13/2013 10:41 am : link
If not, I'd rather keep him for the year and then get the comp pick if we can't re-sign him and he leaves in FA.
what would be the compensation if we lost him  
chris r : 10/13/2013 10:41 am : link
to FA?
or franchise tag him  
spike : 10/13/2013 10:42 am : link
someone might sign him and cough up a no 1
I'd be shocked  
Sy'56 : 10/13/2013 10:42 am : link
if the Giants got a 3rd round offer from anyone. Teams value those picks so much...and you are talking about a 10 game rental here.
This team, because of the cap situtation  
Mark from Jersey : 10/13/2013 10:43 am : link
is in no position to 1) Resign him or 2) Franchise him.

Take a 2 and move on. Id love to have him back but he will command too much in Free agency. I am also concerned about his injury history and his lack of separation.
You take the best offer, period.  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 10/13/2013 10:46 am : link
The G-Men aren't going to re-sign him. It makes no sense to have two WRs taking up a huge chunk of the cap room on a team with so many other holes. And there's no guarantee that we get a third round comp pick for him if he walks.

Maybe Reese can call up Sandy Alderson and get some negotiating advice.
The season is lost, and I don't think he wants to play here  
SB : 10/13/2013 10:46 am : link
...anymore. So a third wouldn't be too bad. Too bad, when healthy or even 90%, the guy is the best WR on the team.
If we get a  
AnishPatel : 10/13/2013 10:47 am : link
2nd for him I'd trade him. However, I doubt teams would do that. I am not liking the trade for a 3rd.
Getting A Comp Pick Is Not A Guarantee  
pa_giant_fan : 10/13/2013 10:48 am : link
His signing else where would be offset by any big FA signing we make. So logically we can lose him and get nothing in return.
Compensation  
Desttro : 10/13/2013 10:48 am : link
is given based on what you lose and gain in the offseason. So, If the Giants plan on having cap space and spending it they may not get at least a 3rd round pick as compensation for losing Nicks. Also, whatever possible compensation they may get wouldn't come until the 2015 draft. The Giants need an infusion of young talent ASAP. Take the best 3rd + 5th-7th you can get and move on.
A team like NE should jump on this  
beatrixkiddo : 10/13/2013 10:49 am : link
They would get a true #1 WR that would help that Offense out big. Couple Nicks with Gronk when he returns, amendola and edelman and you have a threatening pass attack again. NE has a very tight window left with Brady getting up there, I could see them entertaining a fair consideration. They also have a pretty decent Defense this year, they have to see that if they just get a couple more weapons than they can compete with the Broncos and Colts in that Conference.

That being said I eouldn't accept anything less than what you will get from letting Nicks walk which would be a comp 3rd rder. I'd ask for either a 2nd rder, or a 3rd coupled with a mid rder like a 5th. You have to factor in that also a comp 3 is essentially a 4th rounder granted it will be at the bottom of the third rd. So if a team will part with their 3rd which will be higher and say a 5th you take it. This team is desperate for many players to rebuild. As much as it will be a loss to lose Nicks you have so many other holes and I honestly don't think Nicks wants to be here; it at least seems like he wants to test FA and I don't blame him.
He probably nets a 3 in free agency BUT  
SLIM : 10/13/2013 10:50 am : link
that would only be if he factors in the equation. Considering the Giants have many holes and next year will be a restart, we will probably sign more free agents than we lose and I think he wouldn't factor in.

If I'm right, take a 2 + conditional (if you can get that also). He may be a rental for a team but a good team would net a 3 for him the following year. For that reason, they can offer more than for a usual rental.

Bengals would be a good trade. That offense would be very dangerous and they have the cap room to resign him now. It would make sense for him as he gets money right away. Considering he gets hurt a lot, he can take the money and run.

we will have plenty of cap space next year....  
George from PA : 10/13/2013 10:50 am : link
but can we trade.....and sign back? that would be coup! but I suspect a franchise tag would be place to avoid that....
has he shown that  
fkap : 10/13/2013 10:50 am : link
he's worth it this year to pay 10 mil a year?
This is a move Belichick would make  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 10/13/2013 10:50 am : link
Move out a player who would kill the cap and generate picks for the draft. And the Patriots consistently put up 10 + wins. Personally I pull the trigger on a 2nd round pick.
Remember  
MassGman : 10/13/2013 10:53 am : link
Your most likely trading him to a good team so you'll be picking at the bottom of that round. If you trade him to a team like the Pats it will be closer to a 4th round pick than a 3rd.NO WAY
RE: This team, because of the cap situtation  
Optimus-NY : 10/13/2013 10:55 am : link
In comment 11275524 Mark from Jersey said:
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is in no position to 1) Resign him or 2) Franchise him.

Take a 2 and move on. Id love to have him back but he will command too much in Free agency. I am also concerned about his injury history and his lack of separation.


Not true. The Giants will be in a good cap situation next year. They can franchise him at the least and keep him in a Giants uniform in 2014 if they want. They'll have the room. If he's not with the team next year it'll be because the Giants don't want him back because they don't feel he won't be worth the long-term/short-term investment, not because they won't have the cap room.
trade him and draft  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/13/2013 10:55 am : link
The next Clint Sintim
MassGmen  
beatrixkiddo : 10/13/2013 10:57 am : link
but if they couple a 3rd and 5th how could you not take it? It would net a higher pick than a comp., an additional pick in the middle rounds, and it would be for next years draft rather than 2015. We need to rebuild now.
You would want to trade now instead of waiting for a comp pick  
SB : 10/13/2013 10:58 am : link
because this year's draft is very deep, plus you never know what you'll get for a comp pick. Even if it is as high as a third, the pick will be after the regular third round. And that's only if we don't sign any good FAs.

I'd rather have a sure-thing possible mid-third rounder in the upcoming draft as opposed to maybe one at the end of the third rounder in 2015.
I can't believe how many sports media people  
mrvax : 10/13/2013 10:58 am : link
read BBI. A few posters started this rumor 2 weeks ago. Now LaCanfora has scrambled to find any scrap out there to try and give the rumor legs.

I'm just sure Reese would accept a 3rd rounder and a bag of peanuts for Nicks.
FIRE SALE  
SanFranGiantsFan : 10/13/2013 10:59 am : link
!
Despite 2011  
Overseer : 10/13/2013 11:00 am : link
Nicks didn't come close to realizing his potential here. Largely injuries, also part Gilbride and the death of play action (remember how lethal that used to be for the Giants?). He is just a touch inferior to another strong, physical NFL receiver in AJ Green who just tears it up, consistently.

It's weird that Hakeem Nicks isn't going to be a Giant next season, maybe sooner.
I wouldn't count on any comp pick  
WahooGiant : 10/13/2013 11:00 am : link
We have a ton of cap room after this season and holes to fill. I would expect him to get offset.
Play action is hard when a DT  
SB : 10/13/2013 11:01 am : link
is in the backfield .5 seconds after the snap.
stockpiling picks plus a trade down from a high pick  
alligatorpie : 10/13/2013 11:02 am : link
all good things.

lets hope we avoid wasting these picks however.

the point is to have players who enhance other players value.

e.i. running backs who can do pass protection,

defensive ends that play run and pass,

safeties that can cover and hit like linebackers and fill gaps

linebackers that can cover like corners...er....wups...those dont exist
Hakeem Nicks will be remembered as a great talent-  
SanFranGiantsFan : 10/13/2013 11:02 am : link
probably the best WR pure talent wise in Giants history-who didn't really live up to the expectations. He was great, don't get me wrong, but if this season is indeed it for him here, I can't help but having a season of potential unfilled.
SB, yes  
Overseer : 10/13/2013 11:03 am : link
that's my point. The lack of an Oline & RB has killed the passing game.
I think as Giants fans  
Since1976 : 10/13/2013 11:04 am : link
We overrate Nicks to a point.

1.He can't stay healthy (except this season bc he is playing it safe for his next contract.)
2. Reading everything and between the lines tells me he doesn't plan on resigning here.
3. We can't afford him.
4. Randle is growing and coming along well (still some maturing/experience needed).
5. We have soooooo many god damn holes to fix, it's best to stockpile picks and move on.

I say Giants should have a fire sale, keeping valuable pieces on the lines (the few we have) and elsewhere. Time for Tuck, Snee, Diehl, Ross, and other aging way past prime vets to go. Probably best for them as well as they could hitch on to a contender as a backup or situational starter.

I love Coughlin and would like him to stay. PF and KG need to be gone within 30 min after the final game.

We need youth and/or vets that want to fight.

Couple of Things  
Emil : 10/13/2013 11:04 am : link
LaCanfora may just be throwing things out there, but it would seem to be logical. Conversely, NY sports talk personalities insist the Giants don't operate this way and won't trade Nicks. We shall see.

I wrote about this a lot yesterday, but to me, the principle reason for keeping Nicks is the fact it takes a young WR at least a year to learn this system. It was the case with Nicks, Cruz, Randle, and Manningham. I think it is important to keep the starting 3 together for at least another year. However, out of our top 3 WRs, Nicks is easily the one I am most disappointed with, especially given his previous production. I question whether he gives 100% every play, he has dropped more balls this year than I remember in 2011 or 2012, he is not getting separation, he has missed blitz adjustments, and he has not drawn nearly as much double coverage as 2011 or 2012, Cruz is drawing most of the double. Nicks is not worth 10 million per in my view, but our complex passing game makes him that valuable.

All that being said, I would trade him for a 2nd, or a 3rd and a 5th or even a 3rd and a 6th, provided the Giants brought in a veteran WR to play in the 3rd WR sets (would welcome back Hixon or Manningham) and drafted a WR who could play on the outside and can learn for a year.

With the likely departure of players like Tuck, Snee, and Baas, the Giants should have enough money to resign Nicks. I don't think having the ability will be the problem. The question remains, how much does Nicks want to be here, and what $ amount do the Giants feel is acceptable to pay him.
If we decided that we couldn't afford to keep him,  
Randy in CT : 10/13/2013 11:05 am : link
then this is the way to go. Trade him to a team that you want (keep him out of the NFC East) for a good pick. And if teams are going to give him a contract rivaling Wallace's then that speaks to Nicks' perceived abilities and it won't be for a 3rd, IMO.
ross could stay as a bench guy  
alligatorpie : 10/13/2013 11:08 am : link
i think he probably has the grateful attitude. you definitely want vet defensive backfield players on the roster at the right price. ditto webby.

but corner is a draft consideration each and every year...and there are gems at safety in rounds 3,4,5 or so IMHO, usually.

lbs: the youth movement here, rivers is gone, beason stays.

and I finally would vote my 2 cents for a draftee...however, not an early one unless we have a crapload of picks.

the OL need is 10 years overdue.
Cap estimates  
NoMatter : 10/13/2013 11:09 am : link
Were somewhere north of 20 million if memory serves when most moves were done?

How's that compare to other teams? Many teams currently have more than 20 million free space. Giants aren't going to win very many bidding wars for top players. Plus, very few top players even make it to FA any more because of the franchise tag.
I don't watch  
Emil : 10/13/2013 11:09 am : link
enough college football (busy saturdays) but I would be interested in hearing anyone's thoughts on WRs who look like they can be something on the next level, particularly on the outside. (not the slot)
I thought that the way to rebuild a team was to keep your  
Reese's Pieces : 10/13/2013 11:10 am : link
young (25), talented, Super Bowl tested talent and replace the bad players on the roster.

I think a lot of people actually enjoy the draft more than the season and are willing to make any move that will give the Giants an extra high draft pick.
Move on  
area junc : 10/13/2013 11:11 am : link
Giants have Randle, who is being blocked from playing his natural Split End position. At a fraction of the cost.

This is a no-brainer, let's not forget Nicks said he didnt want to be here during the offseason. He is not a city guy.
RE: I think as Giants fans  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/13/2013 11:13 am : link
In comment 11275572 Since1976 said:
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We overrate Nicks to a point.

1.He can't stay healthy (except this season bc he is playing it safe for his next contract.)
2. Reading everything and between the lines tells me he doesn't plan on resigning here.
3. We can't afford him.
4. Randle is growing and coming along well (still some maturing/experience needed).
5. We have soooooo many god damn holes to fix, it's best to stockpile picks and move on.

I say Giants should have a fire sale, keeping valuable pieces on the lines (the few we have) and elsewhere. Time for Tuck, Snee, Diehl, Ross, and other aging way past prime vets to go. Probably best for them as well as they could hitch on to a contender as a backup or situational starter.

I love Coughlin and would like him to stay. PF and KG need to be gone within 30 min after the final game.

We need youth and/or vets that want to fight.


Unlike Randle, Nicks didn't need to come along well or mature/grow. He was a finished product in year one then exploded in Year 2.
Nicks is not reliable  
Spock : 10/13/2013 11:13 am : link
an injury waiting to happen. He is not worth what he wants. I agree we should trade him.

However, this is the NYGiants we are talking about - they don't do anything "unusual" or "controversial." They play close to the vest, so I doubt they trade Nicks.
Another good point Randy  
beatrixkiddo : 10/13/2013 11:13 am : link
By trading him now you get to chose where he goes, you can keep him out of the NFC or at least out of the NFC East. I'd puke seeing him in an eagles, skins or cowboys jersey ala Steve Smith but worse.

I pull the trigger on the best deal period if I'm the Giants.
with rivers its not about health  
alligatorpie : 10/13/2013 11:14 am : link
he seems unreliable. paysinger and the young ones are a base.

at this point if you go LB, you want the single good one.

the shotgun approach has been done.

ditto free agent OLs. a single great one adds more value than the gang of maybies. think mackenzie.

then you have a better idea about the other spots of need on the line.
to Reese's Pieces  
area junc : 10/13/2013 11:17 am : link
i would hope most would rather spend resources on the O-Line and Defense rather than it being about favoring draft time
we need 2 starting-calibre CBs with webster, Ross and T2 i suspect gone.

when the smoke clears we have prince and hosley

obviously OL needs major help. bad business move throwing $ at a Split End when you've got a reasonable Randle
Nicks is not a player you trade away from a team  
Hades07 : 10/13/2013 11:26 am : link
needing to rebuild. Unless they know he will not be here next season.
I would trade Nicks to the Pats  
Bill in UT : 10/13/2013 11:27 am : link
for Belichick
Just don't trade him to New England  
MassGman : 10/13/2013 11:28 am : link
That would make us Giants fans of New England sick watching him become star and model citizen under BB
Props for this.  
vibe4giants : 10/13/2013 11:28 am : link
Quote:
You're only ever
Ash : 10:18 am : link : reply
in for a second.


Also, agree. Probably about Jon, but certainly about the pick.
Listen Trading Nicks might backfire  
DavidinBMNY : 10/13/2013 11:32 am : link
But how can you justify signing him for big money. I just can't see a better option then at least trying for the future and coming up with options. Randle and Cruz aren't going to scare people like Nicks and Cruz, but it's at least plausible.

Who is starting at all at DE next year? OK Jpp and who? Kiwi? Who is starting at interior OL next year?
Has LaCanfora ever actually got anything right that he's "reported"  
Riggies : 10/13/2013 11:36 am : link
first?
I'd send him packing if you can get a 2nd in return.  
Ace718 : 10/13/2013 11:37 am : link
.
Randle's potential is being underestimated on this board by some  
Overseer : 10/13/2013 11:38 am : link
yes, he's had some salient brain farts. But this is his first year as a starter in a complicated system with ZERO running game (Thursday a little better obv) keeping opposing defenses honest. The guy clearly has skills, has good speed for the long ball, decent YAC ability, and - perhaps most importantly - has been getting in the end zone.

I feel comfortable with Cruz, Randle and for God's sake get a real Tight End. Enough with the one year throwaways. Witten, eg, makes Dez so much more lethal.
Huge, huge Nicks fan here...  
M.S. : 10/13/2013 11:38 am : link
...but I think it is unreasonable to say that a Cruz/Randall tandem would not be effective.

Given how the Giants are in cap hell; and given the number of positions we need to address, I believe trading Nicks for a decent pick -- at least a 2 or low 3 -- is the smart, book move to make.



.....  
Micko : 10/13/2013 11:42 am : link
You'd have to net at least a two picks for Nicks. At least a 2nd and perhaps a 4th or 5th. I will say this - this offense needs 3 WRs to function unless the plan is to go w/ a big-time TE.
Don't take anything less than a 1st  
GMenLTS : 10/13/2013 11:43 am : link
.
Trade if to the Jags for their first!  
chris r : 10/13/2013 11:45 am : link
Bridgewater and Clowney baby!
Franchise him  
Sonic Youth : 10/13/2013 11:50 am : link
If a team wants him, we're getting a first. Nicks is way too good when he's on his game to part with for a third.
Hold out for a #2  
Deej : 10/13/2013 11:50 am : link
Whoever gets him gets Nicks either long term, or as a rental (in which case they're eligible to get the comp pick in a year).
Regardless of Cap Space  
Sammo284 : 10/13/2013 11:51 am : link
We can't afford Nicks.

Do people not see how many holes are on this roster and how much Reese and Co. will need to go out and bid in the market on guys at other positions? Sorry but when Eli is making 20m and Cruz well over 8m, we can't afford to dump another 8m into a WR. That's a recipe for the failure we're seeing this season all over again next season.

Giving Nicks a huge contract even on a one year franchise tender is almost suicidal. We have WRs. Yes, Randle has some issues, but he's also got some serious ability too.

Call up Belichick in New England and offer them up Nicks and Shaun Rogers for a couple picks. Done.

You win by properly allocating your resources throughout the roster. Nicks is a solid WR, but he's not a #1 and he wants to get paid.

We cannot afford him. Period.
LOL Nicks isn't a #1?  
Sonic Youth : 10/13/2013 11:52 am : link
WTF do you consider a #1 then? Also, the Giants have shown a wilingness to invest more money into one aspect of the team in the past (i.e D-line). A one year franchise tender would not be "suicidal" at all for this team, and theres rumblings the cap will go up in a year or two anyway.
Trade him for a two  
MassGman : 10/13/2013 11:59 am : link
Take that pick and draft a versatile tight end that can block killing 2 birds with one stone. We would have been much more effective if we had one this year
People often act like draft picks are locks to contribute  
Sonic Youth : 10/13/2013 12:06 pm : link
The truth is that we're more likely to get a Sintim or a Beckum than an Osi or or a Snee.
Sonic...  
M.S. : 10/13/2013 12:07 pm : link
...I believe Nicks is a #1, but that isn't what really counts right now for this team. Parting ways with Nicks does not leave the cupboard bare at WR. Hardly!

This team needs players at OTHER positions and they are in absolute cap hell, and the way to start the re-build is through the Draft with PLENTY of picks.

And I'm saying this as a huge fan of Nicks. HUGE!
The case for Randle over Nicks  
Emil : 10/13/2013 12:08 pm : link
Ok, it might sound crazy, but could Randle be more valuable to the Giants than Nicks going forward?

1. Randle has thus far demonstrated he is less injury prone.
2. He returns punts (I know the fair catches inside at the 10 frustrate some)
3. He is three years younger than Nicks (22 vs 25). Nicks is an old 25 in my opinion.
4. Randle is a little bigger 6'2" (some reports say 6'3"), by 1 inch. Nicks is 6'1"
5. He has more TDs the Nicks this year 3 vs 0
6. Randle is faster 4.55 40 vs Nicks 4.63 40
7. They have roughly the same wingspan 33" for Randle, 33.5 for Nicks.
8. Randle is far cheaper and will continue to be over the next two years.
9. Similar college production in their final year in college:
Randle - 53 rec for 917yds and 8 TDs as a junior
Nicks - 68 recs for 1,222 yds and 12 TDs as a junior
Would point out LSU was not the offensive power house UNC was while Nicks was there. Also SEC competition vs ACC competition.

Now if Nicks was having a 2011 type year, this would be a crazy argument...but he's not. No TDs in 2013 and he was shutout at Carolina when he arguably had extra motivation to play in front of friends and family.
Don't Laugh  
Emil : 10/13/2013 12:11 pm : link
Nicks sure isn't playing anywhere close to being the #1 WR on this team.

REC YDS AVG LONG TDs
Victor Cruz 35 541 15.5 70 4
Hakeem Nicks 25 442 17.7 57 0
Rueben Randle 20 333 16.6 37 3
Brandon Myers 18 208 11.6 27 1
Believe it and it will happen!  
DavidinBMNY : 10/13/2013 12:20 pm : link
Reese?
I don't like it  
Torn Tendon : 10/13/2013 12:22 pm : link
Team weakening a strength to gamble on patching another area or refilling the WR hole.

You dont tie up close to half the cap at QB and 2 wr spots,  
Great White Ghost : 10/13/2013 12:23 pm : link
It's retarded.They aren't going to win a bidding war, you don't know what the cop pick will be, he walks you get Shit.
Trade him, he isn't gonna be here next year. he gets franchised he simply dogs it, not like his attitude isn't already shitty.Take the pick, is better than nothing.They have Randle, sign another WR.

Who are the top free agents likely to be available at WR next year? That's what should be looked at.
Hopefully  
Torn Tendon : 10/13/2013 12:24 pm : link
they don't do something like trade Nicks for Boldin and a pick.
Emil...  
M.S. : 10/13/2013 12:27 pm : link
...interesting stats but I don't think one needs to argue Nicks over Randall or Randall over Nicks.

One or the other pared with Cruz is not a shabby combo. And right now, WR is the least of this team's worries with or without Nicks.

We've got HUGE holes on the OL, TE and DE, not to mention LB. We are also constrained by a ton of money tied up in too few players. The money is just not gonna be there for Nicks unless he gives us a SIGNIFICANT hometown discount, and that won't happen because his hometown is somewhere in North Carolina!

Might as well get a good draft choice for him now.
Torn Tendon...  
M.S. : 10/13/2013 12:28 pm : link
...it's not about a "gamble"... it's about the CAP. Plain and simple.
M.S.  
Emil : 10/13/2013 12:30 pm : link
I don't disagree with anything you just said. We are on the same page.
I would trade him  
Rick5 : 10/13/2013 12:33 pm : link
if they can get more than they would get from a comp pick. Too many other holes on this team.
A third is to low, team getting Nicks will get a third back if they  
wgenesis123 : 10/13/2013 12:37 pm : link
let him go. Thats almost a free rental . I think a second and a sixth round pick would be bottom of market. If more than one team wants him than the price goes up.
Giants would have to wait another year before recieving a comp pick.  
wgenesis123 : 10/13/2013 12:41 pm : link
That is not going to help next year when Nicks is gone.
Isn't it worth it  
Emil : 10/13/2013 12:46 pm : link
To get a higher 3rd round pick in 2014, than a lower 3rd round pick (nearly a 4th round pick) in 2015?
I'm looking at  
Torn Tendon : 10/13/2013 12:46 pm : link
it that with all the aging vets that I expect will be let go that the Giants will have the cap room to sign him and some FA to shore up other holes. Along with a low draft pick so they can get more picks or grab some big talent in the draft.

Every single team in the league has holes  
Joe in Cambridge : 10/13/2013 12:58 pm : link
The Giants signed guys like Boothe, Patterson, and Rogers for the veteran minimum. Quality LB's like Daryl Smith and Karlos Dansby were available for a little more than $1 million. A team can fill holes with reasonably priced veterans and draft picks. Having holes isn't a good enough reason to give away talent at a discount.
A 3rd?  
giantsfan227B : 10/13/2013 1:03 pm : link
Pass

I know we risk losing him but he is not going to get the offers/money he think he will be an injury liability. And where will he go? Most teams with good QB's won't be throwing him a ton of money maybe except for SF who after seeing how they have treated some other free agent signings may be getting a rep as a place you don't want to go.

He is a first round pick with first round talent and if team needs a WR for a stretch run better pay up like in baseball or the Giants should hold him. A 3rd round pick gives them a depth player, not a guy that will start next year.
I'd take a second rounder OR a third rounder/fourth rounder  
Anakim : 10/13/2013 1:04 pm : link
And a young, quality player who can start
Joe in Cambridge...  
M.S. : 10/13/2013 1:08 pm : link
...your point is well taken, but it comes down to how one defines "holes."

Take, for example, defensive end! We've got a huge hole there and it's really hard to pick up a plus-DE in free agency. It costs a ton! We don't have the money. And giving Nicks 6-8 Million means even less money.
LaCanfora  
AcidTest : 10/13/2013 1:14 pm : link
rarely gets anything right. I still think the Giants won't trade Nicks, and will make an offer in the offseason, but be outbid. A lot of it of course depends on whether he stays healthy.

I would trade him for a 2nd because as I said, I doubt we will be able to resign him. If several teams really are interested, and are already willing to offer at least a third, then getting one to bump up to a second shouldn't be that hard. I could also see a team doing just that, even if it was for a one year "rental." A lot of second round picks bust, giving up a second round pick isn't really mortgaging the future, and whoever gets him now will have the inside track to resign him in the offseason if he does become a FA.

As far as the comp pick is concerned, as someone said, that won't come until 2015, and there is no guarantee it will be a third.
if Reese  
BigBlueCane : 10/13/2013 1:15 pm : link
doesn't at least listen to trade offers, he's an idiot.
But the hole at DE  
Torn Tendon : 10/13/2013 1:17 pm : link
does it really need to be a low pick when the Giants have JPP and DaMonster?

Giants haven't been able to get a reliable pass rush with just 4 and the DE rotation is foiled with no huddle offenses.

The Giants may need to look at getting a strong 11 on the field rather than stock piling more players at one position than they'll have on the field at one position. Sure they use some 3 DE looks but not enough that warrant grabbing a DE with a first.
M.S.  
Joe in Cambridge : 10/13/2013 1:19 pm : link
You're right. DE and possibly OT are the holes I'm most worried about because they can't be filled at a low cost. The Giants really need to hit on a draft pick at one of those spots. And even then, they might still need to sign a high-priced FA for the other one.
If the Jefs win today  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/13/2013 1:22 pm : link
Don't you think they'll start to think they're a WR away? Think about that nightmare scenario.
a ton of logical fallacies  
Neverend : 10/13/2013 1:23 pm : link
in that nicks vs randle comparison. college production? wingspan? height?

are we comparing the two as college prospects and how they project into the NFL? Because then those reasons listed would make sense, otherwise its complete bullshit
You get the right offer, you move him.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/13/2013 1:33 pm : link
Only because of the cap. I like Nicks a lot but they can't have that much in Cruz and Eli. Randle can produce.
.  
Danny Kanell : 10/13/2013 1:43 pm : link
A #1 or get the fuck outta here.
The guy is 25 and a cornerstone player  
Bluenatic : 10/13/2013 1:46 pm : link
You all saw what he's done in the postseason.

He's one of the 5 best players on the entire team.

Why on earth would the Giants want to trade a player like that away for an unproven 3rd round pick (or even a 2nd) unless they're sure they can't re-sign him? That's just asinine.
Bluenatic  
Danny Kanell : 10/13/2013 1:48 pm : link
Exactly. And we have the franchise tag in our back pocket. If a contending team really wants him, why on God's green earth would we take a late 3rd or late 2nd?

Fuck that.
Blue, yes you have to get value,  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/13/2013 1:50 pm : link
the tough part is the cap. Can they afford him and supply the offense and defense with enough?
Why do people here think he is worth more than a 3rd round  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 10/13/2013 1:54 pm : link
pick right now? What do you think we should be holding out for?

We cannot afford to pay what the market dictates. If we sign him for close to what he is looking for, then his trade value declines. If we dont sign him, then he is going to the highest bidder after the season ends anyway.

Franchise tag? I don't want to pay him $11 million. Are you crazy?

Talk about earning your money as a GM. THIS right here is the off season where Jerry has to prove it.
i'd trade him for a second round pick  
oipolloi : 10/13/2013 1:54 pm : link
not a third

you build a team through  
Simms11 : 10/13/2013 1:54 pm : link
the draft. If you can stockpile picks, now, for a guy that you can't afford next year, you have to do it. As much as it hurts now, a good draft can set you up for a good 4-5time year run and that's about as much time as aeli probably has left.
install a WR friendly system  
fkap : 10/13/2013 1:55 pm : link
and maybe even Barden or Jernigan can do the job.

Nicks is going to get 10 mil a year. that's superstar money, and Nicks hasn't shown it often enough to warrant it. Franchising him for a year blows half the expected cap space next year (and don't forget that about 20 spots need to be re-signed or replaced out of that 20 mil). With Eli, Cruz, Nicks, and Randle, we have a zero win team. Franchising Nicks, or giving him a long term contract at 10 mil/yr, basically treads water cap wise.

He's worth keeping. I have my doubts if he's worth keeping at the price he's going to get.

Conventional wisdom says a draft pick this year is worth more than one a year down the line. Thus, I think a 3rd in '14 is worth a 2nd in '15. Are we going to get a 2nd for a comp pick? Don't forget, we may go on a spending spree (many of those ~20 FA's are going to get replaced), so I'm guessing that the FA dollars lost vs the FA dollars spent may not be so dramatic as it looks right now.

IF we've approached him with initial offers, and it doesn't look good (something we don't know), sell him for a burrito and a taco.
I don't want value. I want the player. I want Hakeem Nicks.  
Bluenatic : 10/13/2013 1:56 pm : link
Who's to say the 2nd round pick they get doesn't end up being another Marvin Austin or Tim Carter or Sinorice Moss or Clint Sintim?

Nicks is 25 and a proven stud. You do not trade away 25-year-old proven studs unless you are certain you cannot re-sign him.

This place is so knee-jerk sometimes it's incredible. Get a fucking grip, people.
Trading Nicks now would be a surprise  
JonC : 10/13/2013 1:57 pm : link
It would be against the grain for NYG, and players would take it as a signal for surrender.

Franchise him, and trade him this Winter. We've got the cap space to hedge, and then teams can negotiate an extension with him as a condition of a trade.
Eric  
Danny Kanell : 10/13/2013 1:57 pm : link
I wouldnt franchise him but that option is certainly present in trade negotiations, on both sides actually. That tag increases the Giants strength in potential trade negotiations.
-  
rdt288 : 10/13/2013 2:00 pm : link
#1 or forget it.
I don't see Nicks being resigned for big money  
sjh50 : 10/13/2013 2:00 pm : link
I just don't know how the giants could lock up 1/3 of the cap in the QB + 2 WRs when there are other big holes to fill. I like Randle but don't think he'll ever produce at a Nicks level.

Give a 2+3/4 or a 1st and I'd take the trade. Not the way the Giants tend to operate, but I'd happily put the franchise tag on Nicks next year as well. Start to rebuild the lines, see if pieces are put in place for a run next year and if Nicks can stay healthy. And if not,can put him on the block as a potential trade next year.
Can  
AcidTest : 10/13/2013 2:17 pm : link
we even afford the franchise tag for Nicks? Isn't that going to be like $10 or $11M? Not with so many other needs. We will have a lot of cap room next season with Eli's apparent restructure, and other players being cut. But it still isn't the best use of available cap space IMO to tie up all this money at the WR position.
They can carve up some space, if needed  
JonC : 10/13/2013 2:19 pm : link
Nicks is probably the best asset we might be willing to listen to trade offers for, must try to use the leverage and make a better deal, selling now is most likely selling low (and I'm a seller).
JonC  
fkap : 10/13/2013 2:20 pm : link
franchising and then hoping to trade or re-sign is a risky move. If he doesn't budge, you're looking at a mega cap hit. That pretty much puts next year in the treading water with the cap category.
fkap  
JonC : 10/13/2013 2:26 pm : link
Agreed, but they'll have an idea ahead of time as to how likely it is they can make a trade they can be satisfied with. If the best deal offered now is a #3? I pass.
Picks for Nicks...  
sober297 : 10/13/2013 2:27 pm : link
a #2 and #5, ask for nothing more.
time to rebuild.
If I'm running atlanta,  
GMenLTS : 10/13/2013 2:28 pm : link
I give up a #1 in an instant for nicks.
LTS  
lalalalala : 10/13/2013 2:30 pm : link
way too risky, they're 1-4 and teetering. you would think they would right the ship, but they just lost at home to the freaking Jets.

can you do conditionals based on making the playoffs?
I wish Nicks performed at his 2011 level and made ...  
Boy Cord : 10/13/2013 2:30 pm : link
... the decision to keep him much easier. However, he has been injured and at times (from the TV set) has looked less than motivated. The Giants can't sink big money in him, but at least one other team will and he will walk. He is an asset with real trade value. I am all for the Giants getting as much as they can and, if possible, directing where he goes. The man can be a force. Just too many questionmarks to commit.
He's 25 yes  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/13/2013 2:32 pm : link
But he's hurt a lot and just saw Cruz get what 38M? So he's going to ask for substantially less? In what world? Ask for the moon now, you might just get it.
The flip side is, you want to keep him  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/13/2013 2:33 pm : link
put a feeler out to his agent about extending him. See what the price is going to be.
All things being equal  
Emil : 10/13/2013 2:39 pm : link
He hasn't even earned the right to make Victor Cruz money yet.
Emil,  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/13/2013 2:42 pm : link
we may think that, but what does his agent think? What does Nicks think of his own value? I think he probably wants more than Cruz.
Jim  
Emil : 10/13/2013 2:45 pm : link
I think you are right. I'm sure Nicks and his agent think he is worth 8-10mil or more per. Perhaps a few teams in the NFL think that. I don't think the Giants think that. They are not going to pay Nicks based on his 2011 production. Nostalgia is not enough.
if the price is right... you sign him  
hitdog42 : 10/13/2013 2:45 pm : link
if its not... you dont. its pretty simple. and unless its for a 2nd round pick, i dont trade him. the giants already decided that Cruz was the top priority... so they are not forced to do anything here.
The giants arent running a lot of the plays, or capable of running a lot of the plays that make nicks a #1. the stop fade he is unguardable. They dont use him deep as much because he is the one drawing the double... hence cruz or randle often open deep 1 on 1.
Nicks is the only guy on the team however, who, against a very good D and great corner, i know 1 on 1 he will win the matchup, and get open off the ball.
JonC  
seanr : 10/13/2013 2:51 pm : link
Is correct. We have leverage to trade him, Minimum 2nd rounder. It not like I want to trade him but if we have a top 10 slot this year now is the time to aquire picks. I love Nicks but this team has major CAP issues.
I think Randle can be a big producer for us  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 10/13/2013 2:52 pm : link
in a different offense that does not require him to be a chemist.

Yes I share the feelings that many others have here in that I would love to keep Nicks also. I hope there is a way that we can do it without sacrificing our ability to plug some of the other major holes on this team.

If Wilson does not come back, then we need a RB. Quite honestly I would prefer to find a quality starting RB in the free agent market and spend the money there vs on Nicks. There are apparently no top RBs in the draft either. So, these guys are free agents after this season. Which if any would you like as the Giants starting RB? MJD, McFadden, Ben Tate? There are others out there but none who I think we would feel comfortable as our #1.
Nicks doesn't sign here  
Bill in UT : 10/13/2013 2:54 pm : link
at less than $10M @4-5 years unless he tests the waters and can't get it anywhere else. And I don't think he's a guy you want around if he thinks he's playing for what he's worth. Get what you can for him, but not less than a 3. A 2 or a 3plus this year or next would be fair. No way anyone gives a 1
hitdog  
Emil : 10/13/2013 2:57 pm : link
Couple of questions about your post. Not sure what you mean by the Giants are not capable of running plays that make Nicks a true #1? That makes no sense to me. A #1 makes plays regardless of the pass play called. Also, the Giants scheme allows immense amounts of opportunity for a WR to make plays. Look at Nicks in 2011 as all the evidence you need. The Giants scheme is not hurting Nicks.

Also, last year and in 2011 it may have been the case that Nicks drew the double teams, but he hasn't drawn consistent double teams most of this year. Cruz has been drawing the vast majority of the double teams. Look at the Eagle's game as your best example. Also, the Bears did not devote a double team to Nicks. He has also made a lot more mistakes this year, from route running to dropped passes. Not surprising for a player who missed all of mini-camp. I don't know what Nicks has not lived up to expectations, but it's not because he is drawing the double team every weekend or the Giants scheme is not conducive to a #1 WR.

Bill  
Emil : 10/13/2013 3:00 pm : link
No one gives away a #1, but the Colts that is :) Too bad they don't have another #1 :)
if you can get a second rounder  
mikecf2 : 10/13/2013 3:02 pm : link
You do it. Have you seen him play this year? His injuries have caught up to him bot to mention he's a drop machine. Thanks for the Lombardi and good luck
Definitely take a 2nd rounder for him  
illmatic : 10/13/2013 3:33 pm : link
Anything less than that and they might as well hang onto him. I don't see anyone giving up more than a third so I don't think anything will happen.
Bluenatic  
seanr : 10/13/2013 3:38 pm : link
WE CANNOT PAY HIM. He will get 10-11M year for 5 years where does that come from???
seanr  
Emil : 10/13/2013 3:44 pm : link
I agree he will want 10-11 mil per, but I don't think it is a question of whether the Giants will have the money. They probably will...it's a question of do they want to pay that much, and I don't think they believe he is worth it.
What team is going to give him a $50M contract?  
Bluenatic : 10/13/2013 3:50 pm : link
Seriously. The same reasons why some of you are saying he's not worth that kind of investment to the Giants (injuries, inconsistent play, questionable desire) apply to other teams and their evaluations as well. Those guys see the same film the Giants see.
we have a limited window of being  
fkap : 10/13/2013 3:51 pm : link
in the driver's seat. that window ends with the trade deadline. After that point, its either tag him or give him a mega contract. Either one is a proposition that is not yet deemed worthwhile.


Tagging him does not put us in the driver's seat. It put's Nicks in the drivers seats. He's showing that he's willing to play safe. Tag him and we could very well end up with a mediocre player putting in time. It'll cost him a little, but ultimately, he'll get 10-12 mil for one years work and then a lucrative contract elsewhere.
Nicks IS NOT WORTH THAT KIND OF MONEY !!  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 10/13/2013 3:55 pm : link
listen guys. It is basically over now. Know when to fold 'em. In fact, I don't even think he wants to be here next year. Factor that into the equation. Focus on the free agents that may be available. Anquan Boldin?

Mario Manningham is also a free agent. I would bet the Giants give that serious consideration. It would be like Jacobs all over again.

Other guys who are a free agent..
Edelman
Jacoby Jones
James Jones
Maclin

Oh and if you think we need to improve our special teams, then Devin Hester is also available.
100% On Board  
Emil : 10/13/2013 3:59 pm : link
With trading Nicks and bringing back Manningham for a very reasonable price. You lose nothing with a trio of Cruz, Randle, and Manningham.
Time to clean house  
Son Of Sam : 10/13/2013 4:03 pm : link
Tuck is up next
I'm not saying no to Manningham  
Bill in UT : 10/13/2013 4:23 pm : link
in the $2M range, but I'd think hard about filling our roster with a bunch of guys with a history of serious injuries. We've already got a shitload of guys hurt every week
another year of Baas  
oipolloi : 10/13/2013 4:26 pm : link
ugh

what a terrible signing

but what is really indefensible is the restructurings when it was clear that he was a waste



tuck isn't even a  
fkap : 10/13/2013 4:27 pm : link
question mark. he's a FA who is on the obvious downside of his career. He's worth a minor contract as backup, and that's what he'll be offered.

He's completely different than Nicks. N is in the prime of his career. He's worth serious bucks. Whether the Giants want to offer up as much as he is going to command is up in the air. Tuck is on the downside of his career, but can still perform a role, but it's going to have to be at a low price contract.
Manningham  
fkap : 10/13/2013 4:30 pm : link
can't handle the current offense. Change the offense, maybe bring back M. Same O, forget it. He was iffy in it, although he had some highlights worthy of the newsreel. Overall, he didn't quite have it figured out, and that was a large part of his departure.
Manningham  
Homersimpson : 10/13/2013 4:33 pm : link
didn't know our O? Really? Shrug...
trade while  
SBlue46 : 10/13/2013 4:35 pm : link
healthy and get a 2 or 3 and 5....if he gets injured
nonone will trade...his agent should want fast deal also
You need a 1st or a 2nd round pick to replace him  
#10* : 10/13/2013 4:46 pm : link
If he leaves teams will double Cruz. Then the 3 and outs get worse.
Manningham  
AcidTest : 10/13/2013 4:48 pm : link
is an interesting, and probably cheap, option. Yes, he had problems with the O. But he still knows it better than anyone we can bring in. Let's say Nicks is traded or leaves as a FA. That leaves us with:

Cruz
Randle
JJ
Murphy

JJ is now officially Sinorice Moss II, and neither he or Murphy have done anything.
One or the other is likely to be on the roster next year. MM would make a good #3, and you use a draft pick and FA to get #5 and #6.
A second rd pick  
giantranger : 10/13/2013 4:51 pm : link
and a young promising piece would be nice. A linebacker with some good measurables who is buried on a depth chart somewhere. That would be ideal. Nicks was hurt a few times, he hasn't suffered any serious injuries that are so alarming. Nicks should be highly coveted, I'm guessing he stirs up some interesting offers
Homer  
fkap : 10/13/2013 4:52 pm : link
save your shrug.

Manningham had a lot of difficulty reading the same routes that Eli did. It was well known he was inconsistent in this O.
I am far from a  
Rick5 : 10/13/2013 5:04 pm : link
cap expert, but the rationale for considering trade offers would be because he may be too expensive to keep. It would be much better to get something more than a comp pick for him if at all possible. My guess is that he walks in FA.
Guys, there are so many other holes to fill  
Simms11 : 10/13/2013 5:04 pm : link
on this team, it's not funny! Where do we get the money to pay Nicks?! I don't think we will have the resources and what we do have has to be used on solidifying other parts of the team. We need interior oline, CB, LB, DE, TE and now possibly RB and so I understand the sentiment, but we need both draft picks and cap space. We are currently fine with Randle and Cruz. If we didn't have a cap it would be a no-brainer, but common-sense must prevail.
Why is a 3rd rnd pick low?  
A1022 : 10/13/2013 5:27 pm : link
If he doesn't fit into the teams future plans, you make the deal.
fkap  
Homersimpson : 10/13/2013 5:32 pm : link
Relax, man...Mario was super successful for us. There were growing pains, but not really anything like we're seeing with Randle.
id trade  
marc in easton : 10/13/2013 5:33 pm : link
Nicks to the ravens for Bernard pierce and a 3rd or 4th round pick. they need a stud wr and we need a young Rb. Nicks in AFC too pierce rotting on raven bench
While Nicks  
Bill in UT : 10/13/2013 5:56 pm : link
has some issues with health and consistency, the main issue is cost. Picking up one of those big name FAs will cost as much as Nicks would. I think we need to start Randle, have a cheap, decent backup and look too steal a WR in the later rounds or as an UFA. We need line help, LB, CB more. Scouting is SO important
Nicks is a beast but  
newmike2 : 10/13/2013 6:39 pm : link
they're a winless team with too many holes to fill and they can't afford him. Just about every scenario where he stays will hinder the Giants from getting younger and better at the crucial positions of LB, TE and OL..

Take the medicine, get the picks and move on.
I called this two weeks ago  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 10/13/2013 6:45 pm : link
That nicks would be traded
LaCanfora is a bs-er  
nms24 : 10/13/2013 6:51 pm : link
All his reports are bs. If it were true, we would be hearing about it from Garafolo, Glazer or Schefter.

your fucing nuts, nicks is worth 1  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 10/13/2013 7:02 pm : link
And a 3, especially when someone will pay to keep him off competition squad
Nicks is worth a 1  
Bill in UT : 10/13/2013 7:07 pm : link
and my house was worth $100K more than I got for it. That's life
He's  
Toth029 : 10/13/2013 7:07 pm : link
Worth it but nobody will pay that for a guy who's going to be a FA.

A 2nd would be great. I then could see them picking up a FA WR in the offseason to bundle with Randle and Cruz. And signing a TE as well.
reports not true?  
Bill in UT : 10/13/2013 7:09 pm : link
If they're not, they should be.
I think teams are preparing offers  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/13/2013 7:13 pm : link
But I don't believe LaCanfora knows shit about it. I think he's going with an educated guess more than anything else.
right now I'm on the side  
micky : 10/13/2013 7:15 pm : link
if trading him will return likely a mid to high 2nder then I'd go for. nothing less
If the Pats lose this game  
GiantWarrior : 10/13/2013 7:20 pm : link
It's because they need more firepower. Pats with a true number one would be a good team. Maybe they really would consider Nicks.
Micky  
Bill in UT : 10/13/2013 7:24 pm : link
I don't see a high 2. If we get a 2 it will be from someone who thinks that Nicks will help them in the playoffs this year, and a playoff team isn't gonna be in good draft slot. Most likely a 20 pick in Rd 2 at best.
Franchise Nicks  
Giants2012 : 10/13/2013 7:58 pm : link
and if a team wants him, the Giants can work out the compensation to be a 2nd round pick if teams believe a first rounder is too steep.

Can't let your number 1 receiver walk for nothing when your team can't even win a game.
Ammendola  
Emil : 10/13/2013 8:00 pm : link
Is going to miss some time after that hit. Call the Pats and tell them the offer is a 2nd.
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rdt288 : 10/13/2013 8:04 pm : link
It's not happening
This la canfora knows nothing
So LaConfara  
KWhite2250 : 10/13/2013 8:05 pm : link
Is running with a Rich in Houston made rumor? Yikes
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rdt288 : 10/13/2013 8:13 pm : link
It's just not what this organization does. They will do what they always do, let nicks play dictate what they deem his value to be and make an offer

He will then have chance to rightfully see what the market his play will dictate what he gets from Gmen or from someone else

I want him on giants
Well,  
Doomster : 10/13/2013 8:29 pm : link
was Nicks worth 10-11M last year? This year? If not, how is he worth that next year?

We have no idea what Reese's plans are for this offense....if Nicks, is somehow still in his plans, than maybe he tries to sign him to a contract.....I don't think franchising is the right m.o., because I think Nicks has an attitude maybe because he did not get an offer(or maybe he did), and he is upset about it.....or he is playing this way not to take chances, so he stays healthy for the season, to make him more attractive....if we franchise him, he will have the same attitude next year.....remember, it's important for him just to stay healthy to a get a contract with a few years on it....if his numbers are down, he can always fall back on the excuse that Eli and the OL had a bad year, and BECAUSE OF THAT, that is the reason his stats are down....

If someone comes knocking, and it's a good possibility, you have to listen to their offer....problem is, the only teams that will, will go deep into the playoffs.....and that 3rd round pick is almost a 4th round, a 2nd is almost a 3rd, and so on.....So even a first would be closer to a second....and if he doesn't resign, they get a comp pick....why pay so high for this guy? If you are a GM, and you think this guy puts you over the top, as far as a SB goes, how can the price be too high? That team is playing for now.....who knows what may happen next year....I think a high first round pick is possible....
whenever you hear  
Matt in SGS : 10/13/2013 8:32 pm : link
stories like this, you try to understand the source/agenda. There are 2 ways to view this:

1) The source is from outside the Giants organization (as he seems to indicate) and they are using the media to drop hints to Reese that if Nicks does go on the block, feel free to give a call around the league. They are also setting the bar for the discussions...ie- a 3rd round pick as the price tag they would be willing to give up.

2) The source is actually within the Giants organization and they are trying to accomplish 2 things
- get teams to come and make some offers, but don't come talking to them for less than a 3rd rounder and start bidding
- send a message to Nicks to step up his game a bit more and show some more effort. I had mentioned in my earlier post about the 2013 goals remaining for the season, Nicks has been showing a lot of signs that he is making some business decisions out on that field. That is his prerogative. It is the Giants prerogative to drop some not so subtle hints to step up his game as the season continues to spiral.

I already gave my opinion in my post the other day. I think trading Nicks would be a ballsy move by Reese and company, but I wouldn't do it for less than a 2nd round pick. The Chiefs got a 2nd rounder from Atlanta for Tony Gonzalez, who was 33 at the time, in a mid season deal. I wouldn't settle for less than that. Else, I hold on to Nicks, try to negotiate a contract and if it doesn't work out, slap a franchise tag on him and then either get a 1 year deal out of him or trade him with that leverage.
I am surprised no chatter about linval joseph  
DavidinBMNY : 10/13/2013 8:39 pm : link
similiar contract situation as Nicks....
Matt SGS  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/13/2013 8:49 pm : link
Completely agree. Don't settle for a 3rd. Either trade him for a 2nd now, or franchise him and see if anyone is willing to give up a 2nd then. As addressed in the article, it's an incredibly weak receiving class. Someone is going to bite.
I am surprised no chatter about linval joseph  
Bill in UT : 10/13/2013 8:55 pm : link
well, you just started it, lol. Anyone know what he'd be asking? Personally, I think he's an average player. You look at great DTs, and except for maybe some who are just huge and tie up 2 OLs on every play, the real good ones are big AND fast/quick. I see flashes of that from Hankins but I haven't really seen it much from Joseph. He averages 2 tackles a game and 2 sacks a season. Hardly All-Pro stats or irreplaceable. I'd probably like to keep him if the price is right.
If I'm the Pats  
bceagle05 : 10/13/2013 8:57 pm : link
I give up a two for Nicks. Imagine Nicks and Gronk coming in midseason to help New England? The way their defense has been hanging in there, they'd be a legit threat to Denver.
if I'm the Giants, I'd tell them to stuff it  
lalalalala : 10/13/2013 9:00 pm : link

unless they give up a 1. I'm not really in the business of helping them out
Pats aren't trading for Nicks  
ZogZerg : 10/13/2013 9:02 pm : link
They don't over pay WRs!! Doesn't anyone pat attention anymore???
I forgot a 3rd possible source  
Matt in SGS : 10/13/2013 9:42 pm : link
Nicks' own camp. Let's face it, Nicks is looking for that big contract, and if the Giants are not going to give it to him in season and make him play it out and take his chances on the open market, he needs only to look at what happened to Steve Smith in 2010. If Nicks is traded, odds are the acquiring team will not really want a "rental", so they would look to lock up Nicks with a new contract and they can avoid the risks involved in either getting injured or having an off year and hurting his value.
The first one to go...  
EdS : 10/13/2013 10:05 pm : link
should be Reese in the Giants housecleaning. But I think Nicks can get a 2nd rounder as well.
Packers, browns?  
D HOS : 10/13/2013 10:51 pm : link
Browns have two 1sts, 3rds and 4ths in 2014 and Nicks is instantly their best receiver. Packers lost Jones and Cobb this afternoon. They wouldn't be interested in Nicks ... unless Cobb's injury is serious.
Trade Him  
BBurns : 10/13/2013 11:01 pm : link
My only Jersey and favorite player ...
Two picks a #1 and a #3 nothing less than
a #2 and 3,5 .
He is a stud but we need help and with Cruz and Randle
Just adding a decent TE would be plenty if we retool
the O-line .
for nicks  
CGiants07 : 10/13/2013 11:35 pm : link
my asking price a 2 and 4 but if said team resigns him then I want a 1 and 4.
This just in  
MauiYankee : 10/13/2013 11:40 pm : link
The Giants are just three games out of first place in the East!!!!!!
I think  
DaveBrown : 10/13/2013 11:43 pm : link
Reese is the one of the worst GM's in the league right now. Two unbelievable runs made him look like a genius when he was an idiot all along. No matter what he does with Nicks, I'm confident that it will prove to be the wrong one.
If we're going to let him go  
Jerry in DC : 10/14/2013 12:28 am : link
then we should trade him. But we shouldn't be trying to let our good young players go. He's good. He's 25. He's been with the team. We have to pay somebody and those are the kinds of players you pay.
I can't see how most here agree in trading Nicks??  
prdave73 : 10/14/2013 1:21 am : link
Imo Nicks is not the problem. This would be such bullsshit if he was traded for 3rd rd pick! No way. I don't trade him unless im getting a quality player back sorry. Fuck the pick have you seen the Giants drafts lately?? It would be a waste! I'm all for keeping Nicks anyway, what they need to do is fix the real problem, the coaches!! I can see Nicks in a real good system with a real good OC blow it up easy. Imagine a Nicks with the Pats or Denver offensive system?? Wow..
RE: to Reese's Pieces  
Reese's Pieces : 10/14/2013 4:36 am : link
The only championship caliber thing on this team is it's downfield passing game. Manning, Nicks, and Cruz cannot be stopped if Eli has even average protection.

If Nicks were an aging veteran I were might feel differently, but he is only 25 and has no major health problems.
I don't think he is worth the money he will want  
PatersonPlank : 10/14/2013 4:46 am : link
Frankly the last two years he has been an average guy, and yes I know he was injured. However if we have to rebuild the lines and linebackers this may be a good place to start, especially if we are thinking about not resigning him. We could still have Cruz, Randle, Murphy, and other experience FA's. Thats not bad, plus we could get a draft pick to help at LB or C/G.
What a bunch of fools hang out here.  
Reese's Pieces : 10/14/2013 5:17 am : link
Wildly overrate the value of a second or third round draft pick versus a young proven talent.

Sure we can get another Marvin Austin, Jerrel Jernigan, Jayron Hosley, or Reuben Randle, the only one of which might be any good is Randle, and lose the young, talented, guy with a ring that we already have.
Frankly  
English Alaister : 10/14/2013 5:47 am : link
I'd rather trade Nicks and spend the $11m franchise tag on the Cleveland C Mack and a good OG.

A line of Beatty, Boothe/Brewer/Mosley, Mack, FA OG, Pugh definitely gives you something to go forward with and will do more to fix the offensive problems.

Randle and Cruz start at WR for you. You then have some other $ and high draft picks to go get a LB or 2, TE, TB, CB, DE etc

Cost is the issue. If they really are not a serious contender for the  
Victor in CT : 10/14/2013 8:22 am : link
next 2-3 yrs, then that $$ can be spent better elsewhere.
good call Alistaire  
alligatorpie : 10/14/2013 8:47 am : link
only, take that one step farther and look at a guard in round one as well.

my take is that there is only one belicheck. even most great HC's are limited by their teams skill levels.

typically, teams the win are teams that have one unit (DL/OL/LBs/WRs) that is really beyond the norm.

for the style of this team in makes sense for that unit to be the OL.

the brewer and mosely picks are not wasted, they will be good off the bench as needed.
The reason is.....  
Doomster : 10/14/2013 8:56 am : link
I am surprised no chatter about linval joseph
DavidinBMNY : 10/13/2013 8:39 pm : link : reply
similiar contract situation as Nicks....

No it isn't, not even close...


LJ is easily replaced, Nicks isn't...Nicks' name is at the forefront, because of his contract situation, the way he is playing, his health issues, etc. But we have seen, even with Nicks and Cruz and Randle and a healthy Wilson(at the time), this offense is shooting blanks with this OL....would this offense be better, if it can rebuild the OL at the expense of Nicks? You can't sign Nicks to what he wants(and take the chance that he will remain healthy and produce), and also rebuild the OL and the entire defense....hard decisions have to be made...Name another team that would have as much money tied up in 2 wr's and a qb in the NFL, if we resign Nicks for what he wants....we go back into the same hole we are trying to climb out of....
what I don't understand is  
newmike2 : 10/14/2013 9:07 am : link
that people don't get what the situation is. The Giants are in a shitty position. For all intents and purposes, they are going nowhere. They might be able to be a spoiler but they are out of it and to become a viable contender in the NFL they need to address several key positions in the o-line, LBer, RB, and TE. They have no depth at all and pretty much need to scrap it. This will more likely be the case if the coaching staff is fired.
In order to rebuild, you need to have salary space and draft picks. Signing one guy for a salary that would net you two or three guys just doesn't make sense, especially for a team that will probably be out of it for a few more years.

We have had a very good ride, but it's time to get with reality. If trading Nicks helps the team in form of draft picks and salary relief, it's a no brainer.
the problem with trying to replace linval  
alligatorpie : 10/14/2013 9:13 am : link
is that you dearly need those draft picks or agent spots for the OL.

You also need a TE apparently.

and a possession type wr.

and maybe a pass blocking runningback.

and maybe even a linebacker. and additional youth at corner and safety.

then there is the risk factor, if you draft another DT (and I have advocated for this for years)..you might get a bust.

Linval is not anything like a bust.

Football is not basketball; i.e. you cannot win with a few huge stars (your nicks), you need dominating units on both sides of the ball, a system and theory and this takes numbers of players
translation  
alligatorpie : 10/14/2013 9:15 am : link
goodbye nicks

keep linval

build from the core, the lines, the additional possession and protection people, the turn over producers on d
also  
alligatorpie : 10/14/2013 9:25 am : link
nicks, cruz and randle seem all to be used for those long routes, we could use a welker type to round out the unit
So Alligator  
DavidinBMNY : 10/14/2013 11:32 am : link
You'd pay Josesph 5mm a year?
Everyone that is  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/14/2013 11:39 am : link
so dead set that we will get at least a 3rd round comp-pick for Nicks, did you guys consider, that if we were to sign a player of close value, that would negate the comp pick?

Comp picks are not given, they are determined by the difference in value of the players you gained and lost.

If Reese does not plan to Franchise him or sign him long-term then you have to trade him. An extra 3rd round pick can help you move up in other rounds.

Reese is a great negotiator, so if anyone is traded, it will be at the deadline, because that's when he will net the most.
EA  
bc4life : 10/14/2013 12:31 pm : link
even if they pick up a great FA OL, I'd still hope they devote that rare top 10 pick for an OL.
for a 3rd, if that's the best you can do  
bc4life : 10/14/2013 12:32 pm : link
I'd pull the trigger.

A 3rd round pick is very valuable. You expect the 3rd rounder to contribute the first year.
....  
yankees78 : 10/14/2013 3:59 pm : link
Quote:
@evansilva: On NFL Live, ESPN's Adam Schefter on #Giants WR Hakeem Nicks: "They are not shopping him. Will they listen to offers? Yes."
Those calling people stupid for trading  
nyynyg : 10/14/2013 4:10 pm : link
Are not seeing the big picture. This has nothing to do with trading nicks for a 2nd or 3rd rounder, it has to do with getting a draft pick for a guy that may not be on the roster in 10 games because we cannot afford him. It is the money we don't have to spend, not the pick we are getting.
The Giants may listen  
ghost718 : 10/14/2013 4:16 pm : link
the question is will be Jerry be able to hear you in El Salvador.

Next week it might be Panama
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