Is Nicks still a top 25 WR in the league?

come on, really?

WTF

if the QB-WR connection can get past the clusterfuck called our offensive scheme.

In comment 11276641 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:

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come on, really?

Um, yeah?

No way in hell.

In comment 11276643 Jay on the Island said:

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WTF

The headache thing is troublesome, however.... you ever seen him play?

A lot wrong with this list.

At this point claiming Wayne better than nicks is crazy and I know Wayne is awesome

enough said

...then I guess we're just going week to week because Blackmon has nowhere near the resume that Nicks does yet.

I loved Blackmon coming out and thought he was every bit the stud that a lot of scouts made him out to be.. but he tore through the worst pass defense in football today so I'm not going to go nuts.

There is absolutely no question that Nicks is a top 25 WR.

AJ Green
Demarius Thomas
Dez Bryant
Calvin Johnson
Branodn Marshall
Julio Jones
Larry Fitzgerald
Victor Cruz

some of you are really overrating Nicks compared to others.

Calvin
roddy
julio
aj green
dez
cobb
colston
Andre johnson
Fitz
Marshall
Vjax
Percy(so dynamic)
Dwayne Bowe

others like blackmon gordon and so on have the ability to be very good wrs but its to early to tell

or quit-on-your-route Nicks?

In comment 11276665 arcarsenal said:

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...then I guess we're just going week to week because Blackmon has nowhere near the resume that Nicks does yet. I loved Blackmon coming out and thought he was every bit the stud that a lot of scouts made him out to be.. but he tore through the worst pass defense in football today so I'm not going to go nuts. There is absolutely no question that Nicks is a top 25 WR.

Nothing wrong with your opinion. But right now, I am not going to say Nicks is that much better than Blackmon either though. But his last 10 games have been quite impressive for being on such a shit team.

NO

How much cap are you willing to use to keep Nicks?

I think I would rather shore up the interior of the O line than pay him top WR money. I believe a rebuilt O line would be more beneficial than having a patchwork O line and having Megatron and Julio Jones at WR.

But he's on a non-competitive team that is almost always playing from behind so in a lot of 2nd halves, they're basically just throwing the ball on most downs. He's going to pad his numbers a bit there.

Season ---- Receptions --- Rec Yards ---- Yards per G --- TDs
2010-11 --- 155 (11th) --- 2244 (8th) --- 80.1 (6th) ---- 18 (6th)
2012-13 --- 78 (41st) ---- 1134 (29th) -- 59.7 (37th) --- 3 (83rd)

From 2010-11, Hakeem Nicks was absolutely a Top 10 WR in football and arguably a Top 5 WR. The above statistical comparison doesn't even include Nicks' dominant playoff run in 2011. Outside of Calvin Johnson and maybe Larry Fitzgerald, Nicks was arguably as good or better than any other WR in the NFL when he played. 6th most Yards per Game and 6th most TDs during this stretch. He was a beast.

2012 was a lost season after the epic Bucs game, with Nicks dealing with injuries and not looking healthy. He's been better this season but still doesn't look like he has the burst he used to have. From 6th in YPG and TDs in 2010-11 to 37th and 83rd respectively in 2012-13.

Is he a Top 25 WR? Depends. Based on his production and on-field performance, Nicks probably hasn't been a Top 25 WR these past 2 seasons. But based on his natural talent and potential if healthy, Nicks is Top 10 forget 25.

we ever see top 10-15 again?

He's 25 years old.

and find reasons why his teammates are letting him down, but you are not using the same standard for Nicks. Doesn't that lousy offensive line affect Nicks' stats? I don't know where he ranks among all NFL WRs, but I do know he is one of the 5 best players on the Giants. They may not be able to sign him, but if they don't, they will miss him, especially Eli. And the odds of replacing him with someone in the same class is remote.

In comment 11276810 oldutican said:

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and find reasons why his teammates are letting him down, but you are not using the same standard for Nicks. Doesn't that lousy offensive line affect Nicks' stats? I don't know where he ranks among all NFL WRs, but I do know he is one of the 5 best players on the Giants. They may not be able to sign him, but if they don't, they will miss him, especially Eli. And the odds of replacing him with someone in the same class is remote.

Where did I put him down? The point is there are a ton of good WRs in the league that I believe would put up as good if not better production than him. Are you ready to pay him #1 WR money despite maybe not even being a top 20-25 WR?

so even if he is not in top 25, he is still a #1 receiver. I'm just telling you how much the Giants and Eli will miss him. I guess you think his skills have slipped permanently. I don't know.

I'm not trying to rag on you. I just think there are posters who believe Eli can do wrong, but they jump ship on other guys when they are not playing as well as they have. Think about it.

Nicks is easily a top 25 WR in the league...quick, name 25 WRs who are better than Nicks. You could come up with 10 but 25 is a stretch

In comment 11276855 oldutican said:

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so even if he is not in top 25, he is still a #1 receiver. I'm just telling you how much the Giants and Eli will miss him. I guess you think his skills have slipped permanently. I don't know. I'm not trying to rag on you. I just think there are posters who believe Eli can do wrong, but they jump ship on other guys when they are not playing as well as they have. Think about it.

Just because I defend Eli, doesnt mean I dont think he has struggled. I jsut dont blame him for everything.

In regards to Nicks, I dont know it just seems like there are a lot of quality WRs in the league. If Nicks was playing to 2011 form, then there isnt a debate. But he struggled last year through injuries, and has been meh so far this year.

Josh Gordon? Justin Blackmon? Demaryius Thomas? I agree with most of the other names on the original list but there's no way you can put receivers with track records that short like those guys over Nicks

Giants: Cruz but this is very debatable
Philly: nobody, DJax only runs one route and Nicks > Maclin
Dallas: Dez, but that's it
Washington: LOL

Detroit: Megatron
Chicago: Marshall
Green Bay: Nelson-Cobb-Jones make an excellent trio but Nicks is better than all of them; maybe an argument for Jordy but that is a stretch
Minnesota: LOL

New Orleans: Colston's dropped off, so nobody there. We're not counting Graham who is absolutely better but is a TE
Atlanta: Julio and Roddy > Nicks
Carolina: Very close between Nicks and Steve Smith, so we'll put Smith in
Tampa Bay: Nicks > VJax but it's close

Seattle: Nobody
San Francisco: Boldin
Arizona: Larry Fitz
Rams: LOL

Patriots: LOL
Dolphins: Nicks > Mike Wallace
Jets: LOL
Bills: Nicks > Stevie Johnson

Ravens: Nicks > Torrey Smith
Bengals: AJ Green, but actually closer than you think
Browns: Nobody
Steelers: Nobody, Nicks > Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders

Colts: Wayne
Titans: LOL
Texans: Andre's a shell of his former self, so no one
Jags: Blackmon doesn't have a track record yet, so no

Denver: Just Welker, Demaryius needs another good year or two
KC: Nicks > Bowe
Oakland: LOL
SD: No one

So all I've got is Cruz, Dez, Megatron, Marshall, Roddy, Julio, Boldin, Larry Fitz, AJ Green, Wayne, and Welker (that's 11 receivers)

were it at least made you think. Thats the point. Is he worth signing in the offseason as a number 1 especially with all the holes we have?

but he'll command at least $11 million/yr on the open market so a long-term contract is questionable at best, even for a guy who is a top 15 WR

they have another gaping hole. A pass reliant team like the Giants needs 3 quality WRs to function effectively, and sure as hell needs 2 when one gets injured. Who is going to take his place? Another high draft pick? An overpaid FA?

Maybe they can't afford to keep Nicks. Maybe he doesn't even want to stay. But either way, he would be a major loss.

Good luck finding a comparable receiver that will play for free.

Your logic is flawed and your list is fantasy footballesq.

other than the fact many people here showing they dont watch a single play outside the Giants....

If I had my choice between Nicks and Gordon/Blackmon/Nelson/Cobb.... I am taking the latter 4, right now.

Who do you replace Nicks with.... what if Eric Decker comes cheaper? Or Jeremy Maclin? Or James Jones? James Jones in the slot with Randle/Cruz could be just fine.

He's a great WR, but he's 3 years old and hasn't proved nearly as much as Nicks has. Not to mention that Jordy has the better QB throwing to him.

So according to your list Decker is a superior player yet you think hes going to play for less? Why would give he give a discount for the Giants?

Don't you think the Broncos are going to do their damness to keep Decker? That would be the smart play. The Giants will do same with Nicks.

Decker was better? Did I say he was in the list that was either the same, or a little bit better/worse? Dont put words in my mouth.

66 REC, 1178 YDS. 0 TDs (inlc. the blank 0 rec, 0 yds game @ Carolina which really ruins his average) over the course of 16 games played

In comment 11277012 Neverend said:

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66 REC, 1178 YDS. 0 TDs (inlc. the blank 0 rec, 0 yds game @ Carolina which really ruins his average) over the course of 16 games played

Catch wise that would put him around 30 last year.
Yardage wise that would be around 13-14.


TDs - not even worth comparing because he could still get 7-10 easy this year.

Saying that Blackmon and Desean Jackson are better than Nicks is like when people were saying Cruz was "just" a slot receiver and easily replaceable during his contract negotiations. You don't need to try and tear down others or delude yourself into thinking a player is worse than he is in order to cope with them leaving.

In comment 11276652 Ace718 said:

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No way in hell.

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Andre Johnson 2012: 112 receptions, 1598 yards, 4 TD
Hakeem Nicks 2012: 53 receptions, 692 yards, 3 TD

Andre Johnson 2013: 37 receptions, 407 yards, 0 TD
Hakeem Nicks 2013: 25 receptions, 442 yards, 0 TD

Last year Andre Johnson and Nicks weren't even in the same stratosphere, what exactly has Nicks done this year to change the idea that Johnson is still the better player?

that Nicks is better than Demaryius Thomas? Did that happen?

I know Blackmon has a ton of ability and may end up be better, but at this point in time he has done nothing in the NFL.

In comment 11277021 Sonic Youth said:

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Saying that Blackmon and Desean Jackson are better than Nicks is like when people were saying Cruz was "just" a slot receiver and easily replaceable during his contract negotiations. You don't need to try and tear down others or delude yourself into thinking a player is worse than he is in order to cope with them leaving.

Nicks has 0 pro bowls, never been top 10 in yards or catches in the NFL. Think fans tend to overrate players on their own team?

a handful of guys who are unquestionably better than Nicks: Calvin, Green, Marshall, Julio, Dez, Fitzgerald. I think that's the list. And while Fitzgerald is better than Nicks, he's been riding the no QB thing for a while now to the point where I'm not sure I put him in that top group anymore. Nice long TD today though.

And Nicks is only 25. I was about to write how I'd rather have Demaryious Thomas for upside and youth, but Nicks is actually younger (only 3 weeks, but still kind of surprising). I'd still probably rather have Thomas though.

Josh Gordon is 22 - he might end up being awesome if he keeps his head on straight. Blackmon has a weird track record of hit and miss games. It's tough to figure out who he is as a player on such and uncompetitive team. He might end up being better though - hard to say at this point.

Andre Johnson and Roddy White might be better - they're 30+ now though. Torrey Smith is having a great season, but I don't know if I'd put him there yet. I think Nicks is better than all the Packers guys, although Cobb is a tough comp because they're very different players. Maybe Vincent Jackson over Nicks.

I'd take Nicks over Boldin (no speed), Wayne (still pretty good, but way past his prime), DeSean (one dimensional), Wallace (not actually very good and really inconsistent if you watch him), Colston (really slow now and pretty much past it)...I'm probably forgetting a couple, but that seems to be about it.

So yeah, top 25 for sure. Probably somewhere in between 10 and 20.

I'll break it up into 2 groups, guys that are without question better than Nicks, and guys that are probably better, but you can argue either way.

Without question: Victor Cruz, Dez Bryant, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Julio Jones, Roddy White, Larry Fitzgerald, AJ Green, Reggie Wayne, Andre Johnson, Wes Welker, Demaryius Thomas.

Probably: Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Vincent Jackson, Percy Harvin, Anquan Boldin

Still top 20 though for sure. There are a couple guys that are closing in on that list though and depending on how they play over the next 10 games could arguably be ahead of him. (Torrey Smith, Josh Gordon, Justin Blackmon, Eric Decker)

that Arc mentioned.

If Nicks is traded or not resigned...... Can Sammy Watkins be a guy who becomes a top WR within 2-3 years?

Ok so your opinion is that Decker and Nicks are comparable.

A high draft pick, millions of dollars invested in training, the growing pains. The time and effort only to see him go to a competitor.

For Nicks the next 4years should be his most productive.

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Nicks has 0 pro bowls, never been top 10 in yards or catches in the NFL. Think fans tend to overrate players on their own team?

Production in the real world on the big stage is more important at times than regular season numbers and stats.

In the four 2011 playoff wins Nicks caught 28 passes for 444 yards, four touchdowns and 19 first downs against Atlanta, Green Bay, San Francisco and New England. The last three away from home against arguably the three best teams in the league at that time.

And there was that Hail Mary catch at the end of the first half that put the Packers away. I contend that it wasn't a real lucky Hail Mary because Nicks was tracking the ball in the air as he as running to the end zone and arrived there at the same time as the ball and leaped and pulled it in while surrounded by other players.

About the only area of this year's Giant team that most would agree is of championship caliber is their downfield passing game. Manning and Nicks and Cruz are unstoppable if Eli is given even average pass protection.

I don't think a lot of Giants fans will realize how much we will miss Nicks. The guy has some rare hands, and can make catches that no one else on our team can make. He's big, strong and difficult to cover. He also bails our QB out at times (like all top tier receivers do).

If Nicks goes, you will see how much we will miss him and it won't be pretty.

Top 15-20 in my opinion but come on, Demaryius Thomas > Nicks all day qnd that's not a knock on Nicks