I was kind of shocked at the reactions to trading Nicks.
Sure, this is his contract year and he might walk but he is still our #1WR and certainly will be tough to replace. He is young, talented and proven. So I say try to sign him to a reasonable contract, but we need to understand why he has regressed before they commit long term to him.
He is having a tough season, like the rest of the Giants. Having uncharacteristic drops. Pulling up short on routes. Not exactly on same page with Eli. Attempting one handed grabs when not needed and running with the ball in one hand that can easily be knocked out. Over all production is down...We are all seeing it.
Some might even say that Cruz and Randle have been more productive and on the surface might be correct but that is not the whole story. Is the defense, shading Nicks which allows the others to be open? I do not have coaches tapes....to see the entire field but that was main reason for many of Cruz's bombs in the past. Either way, Nick is in a slump.
I he playing not to get hurt? Is there something else going on? Is there a riff between the players?
This needs to be understood before they do anything drastic, like start shipping out our stars and Nicks was one of the keys to our success.
I hear clean the slate....but if we deplete all of our young talent.....that seems counter intuitive
Cruz is quicker but Nick should be more forceful.
Cruz needs separation and creates it...Nicks can catch balls in traffic...both typed needed and compliment each other in todays NFL.
If Nicks wasn't on field....2 would jam Cruz on line...like their doing to Gonzalez in Atlanta
I suspect Nicks has a lingering injury also. On top of that, he's obviously not studying or practicing enough to be on the same page as Eli.
He's hurting his chances of a super-contract a bunch. Now is the time for him to show some team just how good he can be. If this is all he's got, well then his final payday will adjust accordingly.
Welker is Peyton #1 WR? I suspect you would say yes. I don't. DT is Denver's #1 WR.
the bi polar nature of people in how they view players is amazing
nicks is the LEAST of our worries this year. people harping on the 3rd INT of a game that we had already vomitted away as if he pulled up on a game winning slant pattern. good fcking lord.
if he is in the 8-9 range i would think we sign him... if he is above... i dont see it. I wouldnt trade him for less then a 2 and even then it would be a low end 2.
I mean in the end zone vs. the Bears he had one hit right off both his hands, I mean I haven't seen those consistently since Joe Jeravicious struggled early on with us with Drops (The Raiders monsoon blowout, dropped 4 in that game, 2 were tds, etc)
Whatever is wrong with Nicks, we cant invest 12m when we need like 20 other guys
I'm not convinced Nicks is the same player - post ankle and knee surgeries - as he was in 2010 and 2011. Obviously I have no way of knowing his medical status, but I do know I've yet to see the same player I saw in 2011.
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It all started in the OTA's....he didn't show up...no communication why.....practice starts, he's walking around....preseason, he's out there to get his timing down with Eli, but how does that happen if you are not playing at full speed?
Season starts, everyone is waiting for Nicks to flip that switch, and start playing like a guy, who is playing for his first big contract....it didn't happen....more glaringly, was the effort against Carolina....
Is he hurt? If he is he will never say...why? It affects that next contract....he has to look like he is healthy out there all year.....he is not going to take a chance over the middle or on a quick slant if someone is going to lay him out...it's imperative that he stays healthy this season for that next contract....as I said in another post, health is more important than numbers.....the way the Giants, Eli, and this OL are playing, he can always say his numbers were down because of them, not him....
I think he also has an attitude problem, because they signed Cruz, and either they didn't make an offer to him, or if they did, it wasn't anywhere near what he wants....
The hard reality is, you can't invest 40M in just 3 players, and field a competitive team, at the expense of OLmen, Linebackers, CB's, Safeties, DE's, etc.....
Reese has learned the hard way, weapons mean nothing if holes for RB's are not opened, and if Eli does not have the time to utilize these weapons...
But teams are giving safety help to the corner covering Cruz.
They are for the most part leaving Nicks in single coverage...and he isn't winning those battles.
He shouldn't be making $20 mil/year after his last two seasons.
I'm his biggest fan, but for the good of the team (and his own good) he'll need to take a cut.
That could be a huge factor in resigning Nicks.
Cruz is 5th in the league with 541 YDS and 4 TD's. Cruz's contract is 5 years, $43M.
2013: Base salary: $630,000.00. Cap number: $2.53 million
2014: Base salary: $3,999,000.00. Cap number: $7.424 million
2015: Base salary: $6,150,000.00. Cap number: $8.125 million
2016: Base salary: $7,900,000.00. Cap number: $9.9 million
2017: Base salary: $7,400,000.00. Cap number: $9.4 million
2018: Base salary: $8,400,000.00. Cap number: $8.5 million
Nicks should not expect a contract anywhere near the Cruz contract, based on recent performances.
There are very few WR..that can still dominate with double team....Hell, last year Megatron was getting triple teamed.
and I guess...at the end of the day....that is the problem with Nicks.
a #1 WR who demands big bucks....needs to be successful even when double teamed.
Nicks is good.. and has times when he is very good..
Why isnt Nicks having a good year..
because the Giants suck this year..
I am not "turning" on Nicks. I blame him for messing up when it is his fault but I still think he's the best receiver on the GIants. My problem is the idea of spending $40mm per season on your "HOF" QB and two wide receivers when there are so many problems on the offensive line (and defense). The Giants are showing this season that it doesn't matter who the QB and WRs are if the O-Line can't do anything in the run or pass game.
Granted....we only will have 20 or so players signed.
Danny L : 11:06 am : link : reply
amazing how people forget how ineffective Cruz was last yr when Nicks was out.
He was ineffective? His numbers were down from the year before, but ineffective?
Also, his numbers were down, because Nicks was out there, and he probably shouldn't have been...
Also, Cruz was in a contract year...there was that pressure....how is Nicks doing in his contract year? See the Carolina game?
just beyond stupid.
i dont know what game you watched... but taht game had NOTHING to do with WRs... get a clue.
(2) Take a roster that has two very good receivers in Cruz and Randall;
(3) Take a roster that has a lot of money tied up in Cruz;
(4) Take a roster that is hitting the cap ceiling practically every day;
(5) Take a roster that cannot afford to pay a soon-to-be free agent, Nicks, the kind of money devoted to Cruz...
...and you have the situation the Giants find themselves in today. Get as much as they can for Nicks and move on.
Depend upon it... they cannot and will not pay Nicks the kind of money he will get from a team like Carolina.
If Nicks was the player he was in 2010-2011, I'd think about locking up $20mm on WRs. But this year he has yet to prove to me he has the same burst/speed after the injuries - perhaps he's just rounding into shape and it will come, but to pay him that money I'd need to see it first.
As mentioned as well, he's not getting safety help on his side of the field as consistently as previously - and has yet to make other teams pay for. If he's not attracting double teams and can't sometimes beat them, he's not worth 1 money.
You rarely ever hear about Nicks saying anything.
Nicks always went out for balls... now he is shortarming, not finishing routes, and looking like a lazt player out there.