It seems like no one who wants Fewell fired pays any attention to the basically crappy group of players he was dealt to work with.
Specifically, this defense's strong point was to rush the passer. Well for 2 years running, the front 4 cannot get to the passer. They are not good enough for whatever reason. There goes your defense.
Send a blitz! Right? Name a LB or D-back that can actually get there with any consistency? They don't have any.
With a crappy pass rush and perhaps the worst collection of linebackers in the NFL, no defensive coordinator can succeed at his job. "Changing things up" or whatever isn't going to negate the horrific time of possession mismatch the defense sees weekly.
IMO, a coach should be afforded at least "average" players to game plan with before you fire him. Simply replacing Fewell with some other guy and not addressing the talent level (the real problem) solves nothing.
I don't think Fewell qualifies as good enough to keep around for continuity's sake. At this point, I would rather see an overhaul of the coaching staff all the way around to see if change helps cure some of the malaise that's fallen the past couple of seasons.
Whether or not we have the personnel to run man more than they do, teams shred us with their TE. We have not had an answer for that in years.
The defense gives up it the offense doesn't perform. I think that is an identity problem and should be addressed by the coaching staff if veterans are not leading vocally or by example. our defensive leaders have STUNK this season, and Fewell hasn't had the gumption to use our DLine depth to try and solve that problem. Using Jenkins instead of Tuck for example and relying on one of our amazing DT's to get the push.
Our run D has been very good this year. They've done a good job with that, but who is that on? I'll give Reese credit for addressing it in the offseason, and just having better personnel at DT.
That said, the D has been serviceable this year. If the O wasn't such a mess they would be 3-3.
And I'm sorry, but the players are not the problem. Do you really think he has had below average players his whole time here? His schemes are uncreative, and for some reason offenses don't have problems with his blitzes. I can't remember the last time someone came entirely free at the opposing QB. Sure does happen to us a lot though.
Fewell is very poor at making adjustments and he doesn't build his scheme around his players strengths. He expects his players to fit into his scheme which is exactly what Tim Lewis did.
If St. Steven was so amazing at getting the most out of his players, why was his Saints defense historically bad last year? Why has he gone from HC to DC to "consultant" since leaving here? Stop treating the guy like some freaking defensive genius. He's not.
In today's nfl, with it being a passing league and the rules they way there in regards to coverage, you must be able to blitz effectively. We have not been able to in years.
Now, to the bend don't break philosophy: Scoring is up in the NFL in this era. There are more big plays than ever that often lead to scores. Offenses have advantages they have never had in the past. Bending/Not Break does not work. The longer the offense is on the field, the more chances they have to break a big play and score. The advantage is in their favor, not the defenses. Counting on turnovers to win in the NFL is just plain idiotic. It is the single most unpredictable thing you can rely on to win a game and yet that is the focus of you defense? Think about that for a second.
then he goes to NO back to his natural position (defensive coordinator) but its the aftermath of Bouty-Gate where everything was rotten. Another bad situation.
POOF his stock is way down.
give this guy a stable environment as a defensive coordinator and hes good. i'd take him back in a heartbeat
Got it. Just trying to keep score here.
Up until this year, it seems he got better personnel to work with but the absence of a pass rush is still hindering the production of the defense..
people still clamor for Spags but if you really look at the personnel he had and what Fewell has, it's no comparison..Strahan, Tuck, Osi on the ends are a terror..And you had Cofield, Alford, Robbins etc as the DT's. That was formidable..
That being said, it wouldn't bother me if he left, by i bet the next guy is going to have the same problems unless JPP find his way back to form and they get another 2 or 3 DE's on this roster..
he has only 1 year to analyze as a Defensive Coordinator, since he left - last year with the Saints without Payton. basically a "give up" year for the Saints.
he was terrible implementing a new scheme with bad players in a bad situation. i'm not shoveling dirt on him just yet as a defensive coordinator
meanwhile fewell's struggled for 4 years here with various personnel + health situations
I also don't think it's a good idea for keep TC with new coordinators. This is looking more and more like a rebuilding project. 10 yrs, 2 SBs and being 68 leads me to say thanks Tom, welcome to the Ring of Honor, see you at the HOF. 10 years in the NFL is enough for anyone. TC will be 70+ by the time they are ready to be serious contenders again.
he flopped in NO in the year following the bounty-gate sanctions. big deal
the one thing weird is the reports he was acting like a dick at the team facilities. that is not the spags we knew here..
For the life of me, outside of a 6 game stretch, this defense has been a joke.....the bend don't break philosophy, and hope for a turnover, keeps the offense off the field....
There has been no consistency to this defense....
The comparison to Spag's is a fantasy....he was in the right place at the right time.....to come back to this defense, that basically has no personnel, is just a pipe dream...
The one thing about a Spag's defense was, it gambled, it presented different formations to attack from, that created confusion for the opposing OL, and helped to create more pressure on the OL.....
he flopped in NO in the year following the bounty-gate sanctions. big deal
the one thing weird is the reports he was acting like a dick at the team facilities. that is not the spags we knew here..
You and others have all been talking him up as the great man, or as arcarsenal said, "St.Steve". Yet you have nothing but excuses for his failures. When he came here in 2007, the Giants were loaded on the DL, had a good MLB in Pierce, decent OLBs and enough vets in the 2ndary to help Webster and Ross come along. If he flopped in STL and NO for lack of talent and all those difficult extenuating circumstances you mentioned, what do you think will happen here? With Tuck gone, Kiwi fading, JPP disappointing, no LBs, Webster, Ross gone, Brown coming off ACL surgery?
I want that again. I don't care if it's Spags or not. Plus it's not like we are too good for him. Tim Lewis got thrown out of Pittsburgh, and we signed him. Hufangel and Sheridan didn't coach before and we gave them their first shot. It's not like Spags shit in the bed here. I am willing to give Spags another shot and see what he can do. If not, then get another coordinator who can be aggressive.
Amen..
Thanks.
I want that again. I don't care if it's Spags or not. Plus it's not like we are too good for him. Tim Lewis got thrown out of Pittsburgh, and we signed him. Hufangel and Sheridan didn't coach before and we gave them their first shot. It's not like Spags shit in the bed here. I am willing to give Spags another shot and see what he can do. If not, then get another coordinator who can be aggressive.
AP, I agree that whoever it is, he has to bring an aggressive philosophy.
But hey, this is perfect, his contract will expire, and we probably won't extend him. So it's perfect ending. Someones head is going to roll and most likely will be his first.
No DC is going to be able to field an above average D with an offense turning the ball over 4x every single game and what is mostly a pile of shit at linebacker on top of half our CB's being injured and DE's not playing up to par.
Like I keep saying.. if you want to replace Fewell, that's fine. But don't expect much better results unless the personnel improves and the offense gets their collective heads out of their asses.
I see no agressive play out of this defense, terrible blitz disguise and design, and painful predictability. I watch other teams (like the Jets, Patriots, Bills, and Houston) and I see multiple fronts, agressive play, agressive schemes, active players, and a completely different attitude. I don't place 100% of the blame on Fewell. I also am disappointed with our defensive captains. They need to be held responsible for the lack of emmotion out there.
Even when he had players performing well (JPP monster year in 2011) the Defense was still near the bottom of the league.
- NASCAR Package doing nothing,no changes being made
- Guys watching the QB,not rushing, and waving there hands like this is a volleyball tournament(there was more of this in past years)
- Defensive ends dropping into coverage
- Defense tackles dropping into coverage
- Jayron Hosley blitzing Cam Newton(I think with Hosley on his back,Cam could still run a 4.5) How about sending Prince on a blitz?
So we're gonna need a new defensive coordinator.
That int in the KC game this year was like a center fielder back tracking to catch a fly ball. No giant in the tv frame, and 2 KC players, with one back tracking to catch a lazy fly ball. Fucking brutal to watch.
That int in the KC game this year was like a center fielder back tracking to catch a fly ball. No giant in the tv frame, and 2 KC players, with one back tracking to catch a lazy fly ball. Fucking brutal to watch.
Agree again. It's time.
There should be some very intriguing options for the DC position this year with some head coaches like Jim Schwartz, Ron Rivera, and possibly Rex Ryan Leslie Frazier losing their jobs. There are also some talented position coaches that deserve DC jobs.
As much as people bitch about how bad the personnel we have on this team, how the hell can you bitch about how they perform!!!
I'm not saying Fewell is very good..He actually did win here..if he is fired, so be it..I'm not to impressed with myself..But lets not act like he had a world of talent at skill positions or even somewhat mediocre talent..
BTW, how about not having a bazillion turnovers the last 2 years..maybe that might keep some heat of the defense a few moments so they can catch their breath..
So how the hell can a team play good defense when the pass rush is non-existent and the QB has about 8 seconds to throw a pass???..
And to think people want to send a CB in to blitz..You blizt Prince, who the going to cover the WR going free????
Justin Tuck is nothing more than a name now. He's not a good DE anymore. He's average at best. JPP is still working his way back from surgery. We lost Stevie Brown in preseason, we've been without half of our CB's all year, our linebackers are so bad that it took Jon Beason ONE game to look exponentially better than anyone else.
You could put LeBeau on the sidelines, you could put Belichick there.. whoever you want. I guarantee you this defense will not look good.
I'm not attached to Fewell.. if they want to move on, that's fine. But you simply cannot survive this situation as a DC and field an above average DC no matter who you are. The offense has turned the ball over so much more than any other team in football by a MILE.
I think he's a fantastic defensive coach but it'll never happen.
Rex has always had very strong talent on at least one level of his defense. I'd argue that all the Giants have right now is depth at DT. Outside of that, there are no real strengths.
How confident would anyone here be in the Giants trying to play that way with this personnel?
That's what I want. That's we need on this team. Not rush 4 and pray for the best. Ryan's blitz packages are awesome. Just watching it makes me shake my head with the shit he can do. He sucks as a HC but as a DC he has talent.
If he gets fired, we need to hire him. That's a DC you don't let go without pitching him an offer. Even with less talent he will still blitz.
We relied on the front 4 and now we are dead in the water. Fewell isn't creative enough or talented enough as a DC to come up with creative blitz packages that can at least try to get pressure and beat the pass protection.
All you see is a LB blitz and then get absorbed by the OL. The one time someone got home, JW, against Cutler, and Cutler had to throw the ball for an incomplete pass. That was good. We need a lot more of that but he is not creative enough to manufacture pressure.
1. Consistent pressure with a 4 man rush
2. a MLB that has the quicks and the skills to cover the deep/mid middle of the field
and
3. Safeties that are good in zone coverage (don't give up the homerun and take good angles when a short pass is caught)
Why in the world would you even think about running your defense out of a base cover-2?
I would say that the coaches probably expected to have #1, but unless they're watching different games than everyone else, there's no way they think they have #2 and #3- and haven't had them for 4 years.
As I see it- yes, obviously talent plays a role- but you can't expect to be good when you keep trying to put square pegs into round holes.
It makes no sense. Why hasn't the scheme been adjusted to match the talent? That's how you get the most out of the guys you have. That's how players that are JAG can actually look good.
Players aren't just a product of their talent. They are also a product of their system. This goes for ANY player.
And with Fewell, I don't believe the system is getting the most out of the talent that it has (not that the talent is all world by any means).
People automatically look at a defense's success and say 'see, there's a D that is aggressive'. When the personnel and matchups merit it, a good DC is aggressive. When they don't, they have to balance that with enough of a blanket to make sure they don't get burnt by the big play.
I've seen the zone blitz get cursed enough times that I've long lost count, but that one comes courtesy of one of those 'aggressive' DCs, LeBeau. On Sunday against the Saints, Belichick took down the aggressiveness a notch and kept them to a respectable point/yard total.
We blitz plenty, but the blitzes don't come home. It's possible we have poorly designed blitzes, just like it's possible that with our personnel there is no such thing as a well designed blitz.
Again, not trying to prolong Fewell's stay here. I think he's had his moments, but it's time to try something else. It's just that replacing the DC is not going to have some magical transformative effect on the defense, because it's more than just the scheme at this point.
In the past, people ALWAYS complained that Fewell played too much zone and played 10 yards off. This year, he's playing much more man and he's playing a lot more press because he knows the front 4 can't get there. He's trying different things but not much is working. We are seriously lacking the personnel.
It would also help if we could blitz some DB's but we're so thin there now that it's hard to even do that. Hill is a guy who I think can blitz but we're already back to playing Rolle out of position because Ross, Hosley and Webster all haven't been able to play (and Ross is done for the year).
In the past, it's been a little difficult to see that the O has let the team down, but this year it's glaringly obvious. No matter the D, this team is still 0-6.
Fewell may have, and may still, deserved hate, but this year, the Fewell hate is running on memories of years past. Watch, he'll be the scapegoat for the year, and TC/Gilbride will keep their jobs, and next year will be the same inconsistency they've always brought, but we'll have a better record, and everyone will blame Fewell for missed opportunities.
YDS: 5
PTS: 5
2009
YDS: 13
PTS: 30
2010
YDS: 7
PTS: 17
2011
YDS: 27
PTS: 25
2012
YDS: 31
PTS: 12
2013
YDS: 24
PTS: 32
And I'm sorry, if you think three years with rankings like that are enough for Fewell to keep his job, then I don't know what to tell you.
And the argument about turnovers doesn't really hold water. We are still ranked 24th in yards allowed, even with all the interceptions.
You don't think putting the defense on the field 4-5 extra times per game is going to result in more yards and more points given up?
Again. Point me to a defense that has performed at a high level with an offense that led the league in turnovers offensively. I keep asking for one and no one can give it to me. It's nearly impossible to do in this league. Especially the way it is now. You can't turn the ball over like this an expect to win football games.
Who do you realistically want to see replace Fewell if he does get the axe? Spags again?
2012: Philadelphia Eagles - 37 giveaways, 29th in points allowed
2011: Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 40 giveaways, 32nd in points allowed
2010: New York Giants - 42 giveaways, 17th in points allowed
2009: Detroit Lions - 41 giveaways, 32nd in points allowed
2008: San Francisco 49ers - 35 giveaways, 23rd in points allowed
Ironically, it was Perry Fewell's 2010 defense that withstood an offense that led the NFL in giveaways better than any other over the last 5 seasons. But you can see the obvious correlation.
Thanks.
um according to espn stats we were 3rd in takeaways last year yet our defense was horrible . . .
Remember they had Jacobs running plays designed for derrick ward. They had Hixon running plays designed for Plax..This is what most coordinators do.
So if your going to hit Fewell for that, then the same applies the head coach and OC..
And the 2012 Giants gave up less points than more than half the teams in football. So if they were "horrible", so was most of the league.
How many times did we hear from Rolle that our defense was never on the same page (much like how our offense is now)? THat is inexcusable for a team that had so many similar players on the defense and the same DC and HC.
Our third down defense has completely gone to shit. In 2010, we had the best conversion rate in the league at 31.7%. IN 2011, we fell to 17th (38.2%), and we were 30th in 2012 (42.4%) and we are again 30th this season (48.9%).
We have 5 sacks this year. That's good for dead last in the NFL and we haven't even had our bye yet. We have 7 takeaways. That's good for 14th in the NFC and tied for 25th in the NFL. We are tied for 20th with 5 other teams in forced fumbles, tied for 22nd in interceptions, 19th in passes deflected
Furthermore, for years our defense has been terrible at scoring. They don't score defensive touch downs. People can say that defensive scoring is fluky-- and to an extent it is. But compared with what other defenses are doing, the Giants are an embarrassment. The defense seemingly never gets in the end zone. And if it is fluky, you'd think the Giants would luck their way to the top part of the league somehow.
I compiled our ranks in key defensive categories since Fewell took over. Maybe some stats are better than others, and I'm sure there are other key metrics to look at. But there was only so much room to make the chart work and I didn't want to look up any more numbers, ha.
Year---DVOA*-ppg-Pts/drv--3dDwnCv--scks--Tkawy--DefTD----PenYds
2013---24----32---T29-----30-------32----26-----T24***-----T27
2012---16---T12----22-----30-------22-----3-----T20****-----21
2011---19----25----22-----17--------3-----8-----T20*****----23
2010----3----17----T8**----1--------5-----1-----T29******---25
* our weighted Defense rank was worse every season (WEIGHTED DEFENSE is adjusted so that earlier games in the season become gradually less important. It better reflects how the team was playing at the end of the season.)
** with 5 other teams
***with 9 teams, so tied for last
**** with 4 other teams, 8 were worse
***** with 8 other teams, 4 were worse
****** with 3 other teams, so tied for last
Here is what I posted a few weeks ago breaking down defensive scoring. Keep in mind the Giants haven't scored since then.
PaulBlakeTSU : 9/24/2013 7:28 pm : link
have struggled to score touchdowns not created by the offense. Since 2010, when Fewell took over as Defensive Coordinator, the Giants have one pick-six, and 2 fumbles returned for touchdowns. In that time, we also only have one special teams touchdown (Wilson KR)
TD Breakdown by year
2013: 0
2012: 3 (1 INT, 1 FMBL, 1 KR)
2011: 1 FMBL
2010: 0
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2009: 4 (2 INT, 1 FMBL, 1 PR)
2008: 3 (2 INT, 1 Other)
Three defensive touchdowns in the 3-plus years that Fewell has been the defensive coordinator of the Giants. For a team that struggles to score TDs in the red zone on offense, and a special teams unit that is more about ball security than big plays, it is made a lot worse that the defense can't put points on the board on their own.
For comparison, in that span, the Seahawks had 18 non-offense touchdowns ( 8 INT, 2 FMBL, 4 KR, and 4 Other). Other is defined as a TD from a blocked kick or missed FG."
I realize that Special teams touchdowns is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I think it relates to the entire mentality of the team.
Do you not remember what happened in the 2006 season?
Strahan was limited to 9 games because of the Lisfranc in his foot during the Giants winning streak when they got to 6-2. He came back for the Saints game, got injured again and put on IR.
Tuck only played 6 games that season and also had a Lisfranc injury that put him on IR after the Cowboys game they won in Dallas.
That was also the same game where LaVar Arrington (who the Giants gave a $50 million contract to that offseason) had his breakout night. But then he ruptured his Achilles that night and was out for the season.
Umenyiora missed 5 games in that season with a torn hip.
If you recall, they had a game at home against Chicago (who was 7-1 at the time) and the ends who started where Adrian Awasom and Kiwanuka.
Robbins, Cofield and Kiwanuka (who only cracked the lineup because of the injuries) were the healthy lineman the whole season.
So you had the strength of the team (defensive line) ravished by injuries. Of the 68 (64 + playoffs) games those 4 players could have played, they combined to play in only 26 of them.
The next season, 3 of those 4 players came back and they won the Super Bowl.
Of the the 60 games (16 games each + 4 playoff games) Strahan, Tuck and Umenyiora could have played in that 2007 season, they combined to play in...you guess it, ALL 60.
Robbins and Cofield played in EVERY game that season as well. It was an unbelievable run of good health the Giants have only seen 2 or 3 times in the last 10 years.
That sure as hell made Spags job easier knowing he had those guys in the lineup every single week.
As for Corey Webster....he was benched for poor play in 2007 and replaced by Aaron Ross. He only rejoined the starting lineup after Sam Madison got hurt in either the Washington game the week before or during the Buffalo game where he had the Pick-6.
Why were they bad in 2006?
Their best players were not on the field.
Why were they better in 2007 and to an extent 2008?
The best players who were injured the year before were back on the field and played every game.
The press coverage truthfully seems to be helping, IMO. Also- the Giants are actually stopping the run between the tackles. If the LB's could step up or if the DE's could hold the edge, the run defense would be fantastic, IMO.
GMANinDC- Agree with that 100%, but I thought this thread was about Fewell? KG's offense is the absolute best the Giants have ever had, but I think it is probably time for a change.
This is the blitz composite I created from the SB.
I miss that defense.
We actually had linebackers, too! A legit MIKE in Pierce, a solid OLB in Mitchell..
I freakin wish we still had all of that. Sending pressure when we already had a front 7 that strong was almost a sure-fire way to get to the QB. Now? Not so much.
I miss that defense.
I miss that style of defense I should say. Spags or no spags, I loved the idea of blitzing anyone or everyone. Personnel utilization to disguise coverages was great too. Seeing Ross at safety while dialing up blitzes confused QBs. Also, utilization of our front to the various 43 front alignments was good for gap control against various teams throughout the season.
We seemed to blitzed from all levels. You see we used our front 4, but didn't settle for just them. We sent anyone. All 3 Lbs were fair game as were any secondary player. We mixed and matched from any down and distance from any hash.
That's what I want. So next DC better do that. Just don't rely on the front 4 and call it a day. Create your own pressure and supplement the front 4.
There is no perfect diagnosis that says its Fewell's fault, but do we really think we will miss his talent as a coordinator if he is fired? Does he bring something to the table that is irreplaceable?
I am fairly sure the defense will not be harmed by a fresh face and different looks brought in by a new DC.
There is plenty of blame to go around the entire organization, but to exempt Coughlin or the coaching staff is the height of folly. Anyone who thinks the talent level on this team is worthy of 0-6 is completely out to lunch. The staff has done a lousy job, sticking with players way too long and sticking with an offensive scheme that the league has figured out.
Fewell's defense has been at the very bottom of the league two years in a row!! How is that "not his fault"? People really think this defense has less talent than any other in the NFL? That's nuts.
Whatever DC is brought in, after Fewell, will only be successful if we can shore up the DE, OLB and CB positions.
His own players are coming out and questioning the game plan. The D line wants to see more blitzing.
From my own experience in playing in the defensive backfield, I see things that absolutely make zero sense at all. Some of this could be put on the defensive backfield coach but the coordinator should see this on film and make adjustments. Examples...
1. Corners playing up in the face of the WRs as if they are going to jam but then make ZERO contact. This gives the WR the advantage. We have been burned numerous times this way.
2. Corners giving 8 yard cushions when the offense only needs 3 yards to move the chains.
3. Corners playing man coverage with inside position vs a running QB or a team with a strong running game. A;though this helps take the middle of the field away, it also means they can no longer see the backfield and quickly identify run or see that the QB has escaped and is running with the ball.
4. Blitzes from the defensive backfield are delayed. So, we get zero pressure and we compromised our coverage. When was the last time a DB got a sack under Fewell? exactly....
5. LB's on occasion lined up vs a WR.
I have much more but need to get back to work
But for christs sake, can we stop using ONE metric (yards allowed) as the only freaking way we evaluate a defense? It doesn't work that way. The idea is to keep teams off the scoreboard. The idea is to prevent them from scoring points. The Giants were 12th in points allowed last year. Just like the Super Bowl Champion Baltimore Ravens were. They allowed the exact same number of points. At the end of the day, that matters more than how many yards they've allowed.
If you want to say they give up too many yards, fine. But saying "the defense has been at the bottom of the league 2 years in a row!!" is stupid. They've been at the bottom of the league in that one category. People who use that number as the be-all-end-all always conveniently omit everything else.
The Giants haven't been an elite defense but they also haven't been the worst in football.
The Giants offensively have also now turned the football over more than any other team in the league in 2 of the 4 seasons Fewell has been here. And in 2011, only 6 teams gave the football away more than the Giants. You're insane if you don't think that puts the defense at a major disadvantage.
When did that happen this year?
It's not a great defense. Any given year there's only one or two great defensive teams in the league.
Every team gives up a ton of yards. It's what the NFL wants with their defensive rules adjustments. Every team struggles against the TE, but we seem to cry about that like we're the only team that has this problem. Denver is unquestionably an elite, super bowl contender. They coughed up 500 yards and 48 points to the cowboys, who are honestly a middling team this year with moments of brilliance.
1) have increased the current NYG sack total by 20% (5 to 6)
2) be tied for second on the team and only 0.5 sacks behind the leader Kiwinuka.
The boys aren't playing well no matter what the DC's gameplan is.
You can't just sit back and always expect our front four to get to the quarterback. I think teams figured out how to play against our front 4 last year with max protections schemes even when the defensive ends were playing at a higher level. As others have pointed out much better then I could - Fewell is not able to get people free when he blitzes even some of the time. Even with average personnel should our blitzes get home AT SOME POINT?
Under normal circumstances I would be on the side of people defending him, but sitting 0-6 right now I don't have the motivation. I'm ready for a change if we find a good replacement. Who that is? I don't have the expertise to judge candidates.
I don't want to replace him just to replace him. And I don't see any point in replacing him for a guy who is going to run a similar system.
Many like to point being in the middle of the pack for points allowed as something to hang our hat on. It isn't, not when you have played in a division that basically had shitty offenses the last few years. Ried's O in its death throws with either a concussed/hurt Vick or a journey man QB. Wash may as well as not had an offense for years. They were terrible until they got RGIII. Dallas was up and down, but by far the best of those 3. Factor in some hostile weather in late in the season in the Meadowlands...
Honest question, outside of a 6 game stretch in 2011, how many times has this def impressed you? How many memorable performance can you think of?
As Coughlin mentioned in his PC, "Some of our pressure packages we’re not getting home with the kind of speed and timing that we need, so it’s a combination of things."
I do think that is one thing we had with Spagnuolo that we do not have with Fewell. It seems like something is off in the design of those packages. You don't need an all-Pro to blitz the qb.
It's largely famine with a small meal far too infrequently.
In may of the games you mentioned, we got a lot of turnovers. Rarely will our def perform with out the benefit of turnovers. The system relies on them too much and turnover are neither reliable nor consistent.
If we move on from Fewell, we move on.. I just think it's way more important to get the personnel straight and get guys who can stay on the field. And it would also help if the offense wasn't turning the football over twice as much as any other team in the league. The turnover numbers right now are staggering. We're on pace to give the ball away well over 50 times in 16 games. Probably around 60. I don't have time to go back and look but I can't imagine many teams have turned the ball over that many times.. ever.
No one want to put blame on the offense because they don't want to blame Eli. That part of the equation (the numerous turnovers the last 2 years) is being overlooked because that would bring the spotlight on the offense it self (TC, Gilbride, and Eli). It's easier to look at the defense and wishing for the days of 2007..
Our team is so depressing right now. All the turnovers leave a bad taste in our mouths. This is the toughest time as a fan I have faced.
I am praying that we can get a win on Monday against Minn.
I know, people will say "no! that's bad! We need the best draft pick possible" but I can't root against the Giants in Week freaking 7. Just can't.
And GMAN.. yeah, I think that definitely has something to do with it. I love Eli and will find every possible way to defend him but obviously he's made some bad decisions this year. I do feel like Gilbride and the offensive system is a much bigger problem than Fewell and his system, though. We have shitty personnel defensively. It's understandable that we'd have shitty results. There's no reason why a 2 time Super Bowl MVP with guys like Cruz and Nicks at WR should be playing like this, though. I know some weeks the OL didn't even give us a chance but they haven't been as bad these last 2 weeks and we still gave the ball away like it was candy. It has to stop.
Still the total offense during Gilbride s tenure has been good. Last year she saw slippage and ended up 14th overall. I shutter think what the overall ranking will be this year.
Hey, I am all for changes on. both sides of the ball. Clean it all out and a lot of players needed to be let go too.
Second, he led us to a Super Bowl!
Third, Fewell is an idiot! His game plan calls for us NOT to sack the QB except for the four games we won in the playoffs two years ago.
Fourth, say it with me now ... SPAGS!
A player with the speed of Williams or Rivers should be able to whack that QB! But they can't.
Why were the Giants 5th in sacks in 2010 and 3rd in sacks in 2011 if Fewell's scheme sucks so bad and prevents us from getting them.
The players are the variable. The scheme is the constant. Figure it out.
Is that really enough to say he's not a good guy? I mean his record is pretty spotless. That would be like claiming that Eli is a spoiled brat because he refused to play for San Diego.
They're 13th in YPC against.. .I'd say they're stopping the run pretty well considering that only 1 team in the league has had more rushing plays run against them.
A player with the speed of Williams or Rivers should be able to whack that QB! But they can't.
Add Paysinger to that list.
Oh the pain...
Where is he running to?
Bring it on, it can't be worse.
Those clips are sadly hilarious even in my angst.
Someone fucked up. I'm just not sure which guy. Based on what we've seen so far, it was probably Paysinger. Paysinger was probably supposed to hit that gap.
Think about the confidence Eli could get back going up against him in practice!
If you see Spencer Paysinger running towards the locker room,don't panic,it's just a Giants blitz.
I'm not sure who is available. I don't really want a geriatric patient here either.
And that's the thing.
So folks want to blame Fewell for his blitzes, schemes and not putting his players in position. But surely he didn't expect the player (in this case, Paysinger) to:
1. Run into the back of the lineman. (Carolina game)
2. Running to nothing. (Chicago game)
3. Have the players miscommunicate the play. (Chicago game)
Here were the Denver TD's you referenced.
The season tape of Kiwanuka is not looking good.
One of those players fucked up and it wound up taking them both entirely out of the play.
Now if that's the "communications problems", people are referring too, then that's some BS..
I believe that's how this will all play out.
What results can anyone be looking for with that type of production?
I'd be curious to see how it worked against Carolina when it was run properly. Whatever happened on the play in Chicago just looked completely wrong.
What results can anyone be looking for with that type of production?
GMAN I am just saying in general. Some maybe fans some aren't. I am not a fan of his. I am just saying if things go like this he won't be extended. His contract will expire and bye bye fewell. Next season of American Coordinator, we will have our 5th DC in the TC era!
I'd be curious to see how it worked against Carolina when it was run properly. Whatever happened on the play in Chicago just looked completely wrong.
From the panthers game the DE stops, and the Tackle gets earholed and then the DE or DT rushes in. It worked well I must say.
That was creative, I never seen that in football where the LB takes out the tackle so that the DE can rush in. It worked well and the DE got a hit on the QB. I liked that a lot. It was fun seeing the OT get owned like that.
The Bears game play the LT drifts because the RE takes a wide approach, which mans now the LB has more ground to cover. So by the time the play works, the QB would have gotten rid of the ball more times than not.
I think that was creative by Fewell.
That's what is supposed to happen. It worked against the Panthers where we hit the QB. We didn't get the sack, but it was fun to see the OT get knocked to the side.
At this point try anything. If the DEs can't win 1 on 1 then use the Lbs to take out the OTs! LOL. That's one props to Fewell for trying. It's actually fun to see.
A new DC and OC can help a lot.