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Markus Kuhn and Andre Brown Practicing

Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/17/2013 12:39 pm
Paul Schwartz & #8207;@NYPost_Schwartz 4m
DT Markus Kuhn participates in practice for first time. On PUP following knee surgery. Giants have three weeks to activate him.

Ralph Vacchiano & #8207;@RVacchianoNYDN 5m
RB Andre Brown was back at practice, but he remains out until Week 10. #NYG

Ralph Vacchiano & #8207;@RVacchianoNYDN 5m
RB David Wilson (neck) was working on the side. CB Terrell Thomas (knee) was riding the bike. #NYG

Conor Orr & #8207;@ConorTOrr 8m
Terrell Thomas with a vet day off. Hosley back working along with Robinson. Both looked good. #nyg
Barring further DT injuries  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2013 12:46 pm : link
you probably won't see Kuhn until they absolutely must make a decision. He's got a lot of catching up to do and rust to work off, plus they're going to be monitoring his knee closely.
Considering the Giants have 5 DT's and Kuhn  
Defenderdawg : 10/17/2013 12:46 pm : link
Patricia TrainaĢ@Patricia_Traina6m
Wild thought here, but if Kuhn shows he is ready, I wonder if the Giants contemplate trading away one of their DTs?
Now our run starts  
Antdog23 : 10/17/2013 12:47 pm : link
the first 0-6 team to win a Superbowl.



HAHAHA I can't even type that with a straight face.
^^^^^^^^^^  
Sec 103 : 10/17/2013 12:58 pm : link
Pissed in my pants... LOL
Great news.  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 10/17/2013 1:02 pm : link
Kuhns contract ends 2016 so hopefully he can get back into the rotation for next year and there would be one less hole to fill come offseason.
Not that it's not the world's biggest joke or longshot at this point  
jcn56 : 10/17/2013 1:02 pm : link
But when the Giants "lucked" into that playoff spot in 2007, I still remember many on BBI talking about how we'd be better off losing that going to the playoffs and being one and done, that we'd never improve otherwise.

So you never know...
But there's a difference between 0-2 and 0-6, my friend  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/17/2013 1:05 pm : link
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AcidTest : 10/17/2013 1:11 pm : link
can't imagine why Kuhn would be activated. DT is the one position where we are overloaded.
Wild Thought, Pat?  
Matt in SGS : 10/17/2013 1:12 pm : link
or my recommendation from last week ;)

Quote:
- Marcus Kuhn: On PUP, but if his knee is sound, there is no reason to keep him there. Let him get more experience and see if he can build on what was a promising rookie season before his ACL tear.

2) Trade some veterans: The Giants aren't going anywhere, and tied to point 1 above, some of these vets made more sense before the roof collapsed. The Giants should be sellers here and they actually have some pieces teams would want, specifically on the defensive line

- Shaun Rogers
- Mike Patterson


Will they get a first round pick back? No, they won't get a second day pick either. However, I see no reason to have Rogers and Patterson around at the expense of playing Hankins and (if healthy) Kuhn. Teams are always needing help at DT, I would think the Giants could net a 6th or 7th for these guys...regroup the 7th dealt for Beason.


I kid..I kid...
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we're still in playoff contention  
fkap : 10/17/2013 1:14 pm : link
but let's win one first before contemplating anything else.
I'd like to see Kuhn in the DT rotation and have this mark  
SMitch2 : 10/17/2013 1:17 pm : link
the shift of C.Jenkins to DE full time in place of either Kiwi or Tuck.
While you might get something from Chicago for a DT  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2013 1:17 pm : link
I just don't think they're prepared to play Hankins until after the bye week. Even after a very positive, active debut, Hankins went right back to the bench as soon as a veteran got healthy.
Also a big difference between '07 NFC East and '13 NFC East  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 10/17/2013 1:17 pm : link
AnotherGiantsFan said:
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But there's a difference between 0-2 and 0-6, my friend.




Just sayin'
it's thursday  
fkap : 10/17/2013 1:23 pm : link
a traded player isn't going to do anyone else any good this week. IF we lose on Monday, and IF the division games go against us, then on Tuesday, talk trade.

picking up a 6th or a 7th next year isn't going to do squat for the fortunes of this team, so there's no point in trading just yet. IF we lay a big goose egg again on Monday, then let the talks begin.

It's pathetic that this is what this year has become: hoping we recoup a 7th next year.
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arcarsenal : 10/17/2013 1:24 pm : link
ALL IN!! :)
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arcarsenal : 10/17/2013 1:26 pm : link
Also.. I heard Webster and Baas were also practicing. Yay or nay?
I think CHI, DAL might be buyers for a DT.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/17/2013 1:41 pm : link
New England also losing Wilfork. I would definitely part with one of the vets to accrue a pick.
Trade Tuck  
andrew_nyg : 10/17/2013 1:44 pm : link
it will accomplish so much.

Let youth be served
Send a message
91 = 9-1 = 9-7 = Division Champs = CHAMPIONSHIP MOVE!
well, Kuhn's inexplicable fan club will be thrilled  
Greg from LI : 10/17/2013 1:52 pm : link
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havin Holesy  
SBlue46 : 10/17/2013 1:54 pm : link
is Huge and I'll take Kuhn over Patterson or Rodgers..
they are 1 yr deals
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arcarsenal : 10/17/2013 1:59 pm : link
Kuhn over Patterson or Rodgers...

Wow.
There's that Bossman again  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2013 1:59 pm : link
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Giants Fan in Steelers Land  
AnotherGiantsFan : 10/17/2013 2:06 pm : link
You're right, and we're 0-2 in this division...which tells you that we're exactly where we should be.

Just sayin'
What exactly did Kuhn do last year  
Jimmy Googs : 10/17/2013 2:07 pm : link
that looked so promising? I barely recall him playing, and certainly don't remember any impact plays or defensive presence that would warrant a starting job yet.

Please refresh my memory Kuhn fan-club members.
2007 we were 0-2  
Reale01 : 10/17/2013 2:14 pm : link
Two games back in the division. We are now three games back. As I recall we thought Eli was gonna be out for 6 weeks. We won the Superbowl. You never know. See my thread.
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arcarsenal : 10/17/2013 2:21 pm : link
For us to keep our fraction of a chance alive, we have to beat Minnesota AND Philadelphia going into the bye and we need to make up a game on Dallas somehow.

If we go into the bye 2 games back with 8 to play, we're not dead. But we absolutely cannot be any more than 2 back going into the bye week. We need to make up a game on both DAL and PHI (and we can do it directly to PHI by beating them) before hand and that's going to require winning each of the next 2 games.

Can't lose either of the next 2. If we do, we can't even have these crazy, hypothetical, 0.0001% chance scenarios because they'll just be totally dead.
What has Kunh done  
GMANinDC : 10/17/2013 2:41 pm : link
to get all this attention??..Did i miss ssmething the last 2 years???..
Kuhnan the Barbarian!  
BeerFridge : 10/17/2013 2:59 pm : link
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He would do well in the WWE, I think.  
Curtis in VA : 10/17/2013 3:03 pm : link
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Which kind of reminds me of Brock Lesnar.  
Curtis in VA : 10/17/2013 3:05 pm : link
I thought for sure he would make the transition into the NFL, but it never happened. Great athlete. Strong. Just couldn't cut it. The NFL isn't for everyone, especially raw athletes on the wrong side of 25 just getting their feet wet.
Greg I wouldn't call it a fan club but when a 7th rounder  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 10/17/2013 3:05 pm : link
finds his way into the DT rotation people notice. Now was that because DT sucked that bad last year or because the kid could actually help the team out. Time will tell. It would just be nice if he could fill an otherwise open hole on the roster because the front office is going to be extremely busy this offseason.
Kuhn starts Practicing  
Great White Ghost : 10/17/2013 3:07 pm : link
Imagine that. Wonder why.

Maybe because we have one of the worst run defenses in the league?? (ranked 26th, and we jumped up 5 spots)
Tell me more about how good our DTS are.Pfffft.
What's inexplicable is the fan club  
Great White Ghost : 10/17/2013 3:10 pm : link
for what was the 31st ranked run defense up until last weeks game. now we are awesome at 26. Ok whatever. tell me more how the defense is OK, at least the run defense. You people are out of your minds.This run defense sucks ass, and needs any help it can get.

Unless 26th place is good enough for you.
The DT's have been very good this season  
GMANinDC : 10/17/2013 3:15 pm : link
If you look at the games, you can see that..Its the ends that are getting run on constantly..Kiwi and Tuck are playing matador defense out there..
Interior run defense and sideline run defense are two different things  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2013 3:19 pm : link
with different contexts.

We have terrible LBs and underperforming ends. That's where teams are running on us. Outside the tackles.
For someone who accused me of not watching the games....  
Greg from LI : 10/17/2013 3:21 pm : link
...you obviously haven't been paying much attention this season. Teams haven't run much up the middle on the Giants because the DTs have been playing well. They don't get much of a push when rushing the passer but they're definitely clogging the middle.

And even if they weren't, a very raw, old for a second year Kuhn wouldn't be a difference maker anyway.
That's a fable, a fairy tale  
Great White Ghost : 10/17/2013 3:23 pm : link
they just havent sucked as bad as the rest of this shitshow defense. They had several games, where they had ONE tackle, COMBINED, between all the DTS playing. That they are playing well is nothing more than desperate fans looking for a bright spot.They are awful.a blind man can see they get no pressure on an opposing QB, and that includes the DTs.Don't even get me started on run defense.Cause THERE IS NONE!!!
TTG, Greg  
GMANinDC : 10/17/2013 3:30 pm : link
Spot on. teams are barely getting any yards up the middle. Most of the yards gained has been on the outside. Especially in the Denver game..

I don't understand what people expect with bad DE's and very bad LB'ers??
The interior Run Defense is definitely better this year  
Jimmy Googs : 10/17/2013 3:31 pm : link
The stats show Giants at the bottom of the league for rushing yards allowed because:

- we are always playing from behind and teams are running the ball on us more in second half
- a couple of the running QBs we have played have gained a lot of yards on scrambling passing downs/read option plays

I think the Giants are actualy in the middle of the pack on yards per rushing attempt which might be a better indicator.
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arcarsenal : 10/17/2013 3:38 pm : link
LeSean McCoy averaged like 2.6 YPC against us a couple weeks ago. The run D has definitely been better.
GWG  
GMANinDC : 10/17/2013 3:40 pm : link
BTW, i was bored and started looking up stats, since you did, and did you know there isn't a DT in the top 100 players in tackles??..The highest guy being at 106??

DT's don't normally accrue that many tackles..propably 35 - 45 a year is norm..LB'ers and safeties get all that work..

But continue on the fable..
Hey, the guy is practicing  
Great White Ghost : 10/17/2013 3:47 pm : link
it's in the coaches hands now, and his own.Let's see what he does with it.For my part I wouldn't be suprised to see him get into the rotation.


I think he can make the DL better. You don't. Time will tell.
Even if it allows Cullens to play more DE  
Great White Ghost : 10/17/2013 3:50 pm : link
It's a smart move.

Bottom line, if you have your best 53 on the roster, I think he belongs in that group.
Via Pro Football Focus  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2013 3:55 pm : link
Making Them Pay up the Middle

Itís not all bad for the Giants, and it wasnít against the Eagles. The previously excellent Jason Kelce was given a hard time by the ability of the Giantsí defensive tackles to stunt and get off the snap exceptionally quickly. It saw them get in the backfield on numerous occasions and leave LeSean McCoy averaging a seasons worst 2.3 yards per carry.

So the onus is on those big bodies to do the same against the Bearsí front line. While the team has struggled to generate any sort of consistent pass rush they have delivered the goods against the run, led by former Eagle Mike Patterson (+9.0 run defense). His 10 defensive stops against the run are second most of all defensive tackles, with the rest of the unit combining for a not too shabby 20 (including four on 21 run snaps from debutant Johnathan Hankins last Sunday).
More Pro Football Focus  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2013 3:56 pm : link
Mike Patterson and Johnathan Hankins, DT, New York Giants

It might be bending the rules slightly to mention both Mike Patterson (+2.8) and Johnathan Hankins (+3.7) here, but it didnít feel right to mention one and not the other. They arrived in New York in different circumstances with Hankins a second-round draft pick out of Ohio State in Aprilís NFL Draft, while Patterson came over after playing just 136 snaps in his final season in Philadelphia, with questions about his health after his last few years. Heís fast answering those questions however, as part of an impressive Giants defensive tackle rotation that includes Hankins.

Neither were much of a factor as pass rushers, with Hankins the only one to record any pressure, and that coming in the form of a single hit and hurry. That role was covered by Cullen Jenkins, while our pair of Secret Superstars were dominant against the run. Hankins, playing just 21 snaps against the run, recorded five tackles, with four resulting in a defensive stop, giving him a Run Stop Percentage of 19.0%.

Patterson registered just the one tackle, for a loss at least, but was a handful for the Eaglesí interior offensive line throughout, forcing two cuts by running backs and blowing up the option by beating center Jason Kelce on 1st-and-10 with 8:21 remaining in the first quarter.
You consider trading Rogers or Patterson  
81_Great_Dane : 10/17/2013 4:34 pm : link
because they don't have long futures, they're relatively expensive, and they have some trade value. Is Kuhn better than they are? No. But the team is 0-6 and isn't going anywhere. What's better for the future, having Rogers and Patterson on the roster, and having to IR or cut Kuhn? Or letting Kuhn be the last DT on the roster and getting a draft pick for Rogers or Patterson?

And let's not forget that Marvin Austin is unemployed again and would look as good as Kuhn or anyone else as the inactive last DT.
No one is trading for Rogers  
Jimmy Googs : 10/17/2013 4:39 pm : link
Maybe Patterson would drum up some interest....maybe.

But quite frankly Patterson is not exactly "old" yet and would be nice to have in the DT rotation for next year, especially if we lose Joseph.

I  
AcidTest : 10/17/2013 5:03 pm : link
agree that no one is trading for Rogers. I don't think Patterson would get more than a seventh or sixth despite his play. I'd rather keep him and try and resign him at the end of the season.
andrew_nyg...  
M.S. : 10/17/2013 5:05 pm : link
...trade Tuck?

And just who would take him? At the rate he's going, we'd have to throw in a 4th rounder to complete the deal.
A 7th round pick,  
Doomster : 10/17/2013 6:24 pm : link
coming back from knee surgery, and has done nothing, and BBI is getting excited.....desperage times....desperate times...
Not a single comment about the last tweet's gem of info  
BlueLou : 10/17/2013 6:46 pm : link
Quote:
Conor Orr & #8207;@ConorTOrr 8m
Terrell Thomas with a vet day off. Hosley back working along with Robinson. Both looked good. #nyg


that Robinson is back and looking good?

In this sad sack season, some real game snaps from Robinson, and him (and Donnell) showing enough to park Myers and/or Pascoe on the bench, would be a welcome reprieve.
The JPP of Tight Ends is lookin' GOOD!  
Optimus-NY : 10/17/2013 7:33 pm : link
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Thanks Optimus  
BlueLou : 10/17/2013 7:39 pm : link
; )
lol BlueLou  
Optimus-NY : 10/17/2013 9:01 pm : link
We've got no Linebackers. The JPP of Tight Ends can't make it onto the field in a lost season. The O-Line has collapsed. Our #1 pick from last year has "the itis"--fumbleitis, he can't pass protect either, and on top fo all that he may have also played his last game as a result of his having been diagnosed with spinal stenosis. Oy Vey! What a clusterfuck!
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