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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/18/2013 7:43 pm
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Porky Pierre Paul was a lean athletic freak  
deadkurtrulz : 10/18/2013 8:48 pm : link
for his rookie year only. Last year he came to camp 30 pounds heavier and a step and a half slower. The surgery has not helped. He is now a non-rushing DE that plays the run in a pass happy league.

The only thing that is remarkable about JPP now is the attention he receives for doing nothing.
Jevon Learse took the league by storm ...  
Boy Cord : 10/18/2013 8:49 pm : link
... but fizzled. I'm not sure why. Maybe it was injuries. Maybe desire. He was a freak of an athlete like JPP. The moral o the story is not everyone can sustain greatness. We may have seen the best of JPP in a Giants uniform.
Kearse.  
Boy Cord : 10/18/2013 8:51 pm : link
Effing iPhone.
If we lose Joseph  
Bill in UT : 10/18/2013 8:55 pm : link
can he play DT?
JK was great  
robbieballs2003 : 10/18/2013 8:56 pm : link
JPP had one monster year that was great but I wouldn't call him a great player. He is capable of being talked about with guys like Watt, Allen, Atkins, etc. The problem is that he needs to do it for more than one year.

The greatest players are the ones that work harder when they get in the league. Even Strahan's last years were amazing. Yes, he skipped training camp but he was in phenomenal shape. I never saw him so ripped as he was his last few years. He lost weight (a lot of weight) but it never effected his play at all. If anything it helped him out. He was a much smarter player. He used it all to his advantage. Some guys get pushed around when they are too light at DE when you go up against 330 lb OT. Strahan was still able to play the run at an extremely high level. I wish JPP showed that same commitment (probably not the right word but that is all that is coming to my mind).
We  
CapeGman : 10/18/2013 8:57 pm : link
drafted an athletic freak who has a bad work ethic and does not put football first. I get the feeling he does not love the game.
just still amazed  
mdc1 : 10/18/2013 9:01 pm : link
we drafted him in the first round without a track record of play and consistency. Said the same thing many years ago.
It feels like only yesterday there was worry about how monsterous  
Riggies : 10/18/2013 9:04 pm : link
a contract JPP was soon to demand from the Giants (or another team).

... at least we don't have to [worry] anymore about that, at least for now.
mdc1: If they could go back, they'd still take him, even if he's never  
Riggies : 10/18/2013 9:07 pm : link
"right" ever again or never shows consistency, work ethic, etc.

He was a major part of a SB-winning team and was, basically, at times, a one-man defense that season before the rest of the bunch on that side of the ball got it together. That R1 pick already paid off, no matter what's to be or is now.
If he does not pan out  
Overseer : 10/18/2013 9:08 pm : link
either for health or development/skill reasons, it's really going to set this Giants team back. Tuck is probably gone after this year, Osi already gone, Moore an unknown, Kiwi streaky. It's amazing how the pass rush has just evaporated before our eyes.

If the Giants pick in the 4-6 range, I'd like to see them take Anthony Barr (if Matthews is off the board). Mix it up a little. Trust that Hankins is going to pan out for stout run D and get a pass rush from off the line for once. This team is not going to bounce back until they can rush the QB again.
mdc  
Overseer : 10/18/2013 9:12 pm : link
you seem to be implying it was a wasted pick. He was an enormous part of winning a second ring in the Eli era (they probably don't even make the playoffs without his performance in Dallas) AFAIC, that makes it a success in and of itself. Obviously the potential for much beyond that out of the pick is very up in the air at this point.
I don't question drafting him at all  
BlackLight : 10/18/2013 9:16 pm : link
Who really knows how a guy will respond when he starts making NFL money? He may yet turn it all around. He wasn't just lucky in college and in 2011 - he really was that good. He just needs to practice technique and develop his football IQ.
I doubt there will be answers  
oldutican : 10/18/2013 9:34 pm : link
until the start of next season.
A ton if it probably is mental  
UConn4523 : 10/18/2013 9:54 pm : link
look at Derrick Rose. Smartest decision in sports was to sit the year out. Look at his highlights from the other night, more explosive than ever and he even said he doesn't think about it anymore.

JPP is still injured. You don't come back this quickly from that surgery, especially at a higher weight. He's probably very timid and not wanting to tweak anything. It's easy for us to say he should be giving more effort but that's why we sit at home.

Whether physical or mental, he shouldn't be playing.
mdc  
UConn4523 : 10/18/2013 9:55 pm : link
completely ignoring the surgery. Unreal.
Another first/second round pick  
Doomster : 10/18/2013 9:58 pm : link
whose level of play has ended or dropped off dramatically?

It's unreal how this is happening to our picks...
if he  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/18/2013 10:09 pm : link
doesn't pan out in the future, he is a huge reason we won a Super Bowl in 2011.

I'll trade a 1st round pick for a Super Bowl every time.
Said it from the start of the season that he was being rushed back.  
Ace718 : 10/18/2013 10:17 pm : link
He has one full season next year under his current contract. Let's see what he can do. This year is a mulligan for him.
I think it  
Pascal4554 : 10/18/2013 10:19 pm : link
Is a multitude of things: recovering from back surgery, learning on how to handle the pressure to perform, etc. Based on Tuck's comments my guess is he is still a very young man and I think the pressure is getting to him. Since his meteoric rise to stardom this is probably his first time dealing with real adversity in his career. His athletic talent is failing him. Perhaps he rushed himself back thinking it was best for the team. Welcome to New York JPP - what have you done for us lately? I feel bad for him.
JPP  
Marty866b : 10/18/2013 10:34 pm : link
We don't go to the Super Bowl without him in 2011. That being said, he looks like he's shot. He lacks explosion and strength today. Bad back or not he is a poor football player today.Shame because I thought he would go down as one of our greats.
Just went back and rewatched the Carolina beat down  
ghost718 : 10/18/2013 10:52 pm : link
along with the first half of the Philadelphia debacle.

Gotta say I think this whole thing is being overblown.Pierre Paul looked sluggish in the Panther game and still applied the most pressure of any Giant.

Fast forward to the Eagle game,and in the 1st quarter he played the run well,bull rushed Jason Peters,and came free and swatted pass from Vick.Looks to be moving around field a lot better.His strength is definitely improved.

But they are gonna keep running with this story until the sack numbers pick up,that's just how it is.
Tuck, Kiwanuka and JPP  
Modzelewski : 10/18/2013 10:53 pm : link
Are all having poor seasons. What the hell is DL coach Robert Nunn doing about it? Nothing. Just like the rest of the washed up Giant coaches. The remaining games of this season should serve as a dress rehearsal for next season; not only players, but coaches, trainers and staff as well. I hope GM Reece is taking good notes.
He hurt his back last and played trough it  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/18/2013 10:58 pm : link
and had surgery in the offseason. I don't think it is a surprise that he isn't the same player now. I fear that he'll never get back to what he was in year 2.
last year and played trough it  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/18/2013 11:02 pm : link
...
JPP  
scott in albany : 10/19/2013 7:38 am : link
Takes plays off.Does a injury cause that?
I think like everything else its a combination  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/19/2013 8:05 am : link
of things. If you've never been really injured it can effect you mentally. Especially a kid who got by on sheer athletic ability. We all know a lot of his early success was sheer physical dominance.

Secondly while i have a lot of issues with the defense the reality is the fucking offense is a disaster. Turning the ball over etc. It almost seems that the D just eventually as a whole quits because they know the other side of the ball is just going to fuck up again and turn the ball over. That's not proffesional or good but its pretty obvious to me this team quits way too often and running around like a madman when you think the other group of guys just suck happens.

Lastly is the injury how physically capable is JPP.

He's under contract for another year. Unless something really changes Fewell will be gone and hopefully a new system and a few more horses will help. This team has HUGE issues across the board and regardless of what people think is fair or unfair there need to be major coaching changes because you can't dump half your roster due to attitude even if that's the case.



....  
Micko : 10/19/2013 8:29 am : link
By "trying hard enough" I'm referencing dedication to the game. Being in perfect shape, not taking plays off, being a leader. blah blah.
Micko  
UConn4523 : 10/19/2013 8:59 am : link
and how are you possibly measuring that? From watching from your couch?

Again, most on here are completely ignoring his injury and him being rushed back. It's mind boggling.
I was worried  
Harry53 : 10/19/2013 9:01 am : link
After the Super Bowl year when he said he is no longer having fun. What third year player says that?
Still remember him saying last year  
Curtis in VA : 10/19/2013 9:13 am : link
that hes just not having fun anymore.
It is no fun if your back hurts  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/19/2013 9:16 am : link
believe me.
He wouldnt be the first guy to hit it hard one season  
Curtis in VA : 10/19/2013 9:23 am : link
and then fizzle out. We've seen it happen to players at every position. Even before his back got messed up he wasnt getting after it like he did before. Not saying for sure that he's not as interested as he should be but its looked that way for a while.

Right now he looks like a prime candidate to become another overrated and overpaid veteran on the Giants roster eating up a ton of cap space.

Giants recent history  
area junc : 10/19/2013 9:46 am : link
Jason Sehorn, Ike Hilliard, Jeremy Shockey, Rich Seubert, Steve Smith, Kenny Phillips, now JPP. In '02 Luke Petitgout was one of the best LTs in the NFL and he immediately gets a horrible injury week 1 2003. Osi and Tuck drop in their prime.

jpp reminds me of shockey the most out of the above. Just an unbelievable year where you look like the greatest of all time. then u fall off a cliff.

most of its due to injury. and we've had a couple rocks in strahan and eli. but our star players just cannot maintain that level.
forgot my boy Tiki  
area junc : 10/19/2013 9:47 am : link
Retires when he is a dominant football player.
I don't think it's physical  
GMANinDC : 10/19/2013 11:06 am : link
I pointed this out a few times that Reese publicly said he wanted Strahan to work with him about double teams and other skills. That tells me he wasn't being taught by Osi, Tuck or Kiwi..If it was a physical issue, i don't think Reese makes that statement..

IMO, he needs mentoring. He need someone to come and and teach him how to play his position better. How t obeat double-teams. How to play with desire and hustle. Somewhere his deisre got lost.

This is why Tuck and Kiwi needs t go. I think they failed with JPP..Outside of both not being very good. with another yound DE in Moore, they need some experienced vets DE's on this team who wants to win..
My take:  
Big Blue '56 : 10/19/2013 11:16 am : link
Last year, his back spasms/pain which necessitated surgery this offseason, is what greatly slowed him down.

This year, he missed all of camp amd its requisite reps/conditioning and this is, effectively, his training camp..

Certainly he needs to continue to improve on technique, but athletes who are blessed with the tools he has, albeit raw at times, can overcome/mask deficiencies in their game..We've seen that through the years in all sports..

I think this is being overanalyzed more than it needs to be, good points made above, notwithstanding..

My two cents
JPP  
RIP : 10/19/2013 11:24 am : link
Let's get off the back surgery excuse already. It turns out he is a 1 yeay wonder.
And that could very well be the most idiotic statement  
Big Blue '56 : 10/19/2013 11:34 am : link
I've seen in quite awhile
This is all you need to know.  
arcarsenal : 10/19/2013 11:39 am : link
Are you forgetting?  
Doomster : 10/19/2013 11:47 am : link
Giants recent history
area junc : 9:46 am : link : reply
Jason Sehorn, Ike Hilliard, Jeremy Shockey, Rich Seubert, Steve Smith, Kenny Phillips, now JPP. In '02 Luke Petitgout was one of the best LTs in the NFL and he immediately gets a horrible injury week 1 2003. Osi and Tuck drop in their prime.

Forgetting Wilson, Austin, Sintim, TT, Ross, Kiwi, Moss? These are all 1st or 2nd round talent that shined for awhile or never shined at all....I include Wilson because of the potenial of the neck problem in a RB....You could even throw Nicks into that group if he continues at his present level, along with Beatty.....Even Eli is not playing at a high level, the last two years...

To not get production, this year out of all these top draft choices, is it any wonder we are in this predicament?
A poster mentioned whomever  
mrvax : 10/19/2013 11:48 am : link
played JPP instead of PUPing him. Are you surprised? What about the idiot that put Snee and Baas on the field in their condition? Time for a change.
I don't know if he was healed enough to come back.  
Bill in UT : 10/19/2013 2:35 pm : link
But it seemed like he was in for an awful lot of snaps very early.
sigh  
spike : 10/19/2013 3:07 pm : link
we cant afford to have JPP be yet another draft bust.

Come on Jpp!
and whats the DL coach doing  
spike : 10/19/2013 3:08 pm : link
but teaching JPP and Moore?


Our coaches are a disappointment overall.
I would agree  
Emil : 10/19/2013 3:30 pm : link
with those who say/think JPP's problems are more on the mental side. Honestly, our entire defensive front looks unmotivated most of the time. (with the exception of Patterson, he seems to have a high motor) Tuck, Kiwi, and JPP look disinterested, and I know they would deny it, but actions are speaking louder than words right now. There was that one series in the Eagles game this year when they actually looked like they were ready to unleash the hounds, but that faded. Not sure what JPP's hang up is, none of us really know. I'm sure the back surgery doesn't help, but he has been practically invisible as a pass rusher.

I would say, in defense of our DL. The Giants have 5 sacks in 6 games, just terrible. It's not like we are running a bunch of DIII rookie FAs out there. 5 sacks in 6 games is insulting to a unit that includes so many high (rounds 1-3) draft picks and former pro-bowl players. Either they all lost their mojo at the same time...or our defensive scheme is highly suspect. I maintain that if it weren't for JPP's 16.5 sacks in 2011 and Tuck's re-awakening for the stretch run, the Giants pass rush would have been non-existent. I think JPP and then Tuck bailed Fewell out in 2011, and have not been able to do it since. Just my opinion, I will admit I'm probably not the most unbiased since I strongly feel Fewell is too passive with is schemes at all levels of the defense but I also think the results speak for themselves.
Whoever is coaching next year...  
Milton : 10/19/2013 5:31 pm : link
...needs to design a defense that takes advantage of JPP's and Moore's strengths (agility, explosiveness) and masks their weaknesses (reading and reacting). If those two talents can reach their potential, the Giants defense could be a force for years to come. It probably starts with JPP on the left side and Moore on the right with Kiwanuka as the swingman (and Tuck--as much as I love the guy-retired).
JPP  
Dylan fan : 10/19/2013 9:45 pm : link
JPP 2 weeks ago: "Iím pretty slow off the ball as I watch on film. Iíve got to correct that," he said this week. "I donít think itís the back. Iíve got to get back to that mentality of getting off the ball, getting up off my stance quicker."

"I'm trying to get better every day. I wish I didn't have surgery, but I had to do it. I'm getting better every day," Pierre-Paul said. "Everybody says I'm improving and that's the thing. My conditioning is on point, so it's just getting back to that football mode."

Perhaps if Moore weren't injured & out for most of training camp & the 1st few games he'd have played instead of JPP, but the powers that be obviously thought 1/2 or whatever of JPP was a better option than 100% Trattou, who they couldn't even afford to keep on the roster.
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arc's picture  
Marty866b : 10/20/2013 7:23 pm : link
Says it all. Just look at the waistline.
As others said above  
mfsd : 10/20/2013 8:43 pm : link
it's no stretch to say we don't win the last Super Bowl without JPP. He basically won that first Dallas game single-handledly, and dominated in many others

Yes, it's a shame to see him fail to play to that level since, whether b/c of injury or not working enough to get in shape (or some combo thereof)

But I'll also take that Super Bowl in exchange for a 1st round pick any day
I think it is a combo of things  
giantsfan227B : 10/20/2013 8:49 pm : link
First and foremost, it appeared to me that he put on weight going into last season. He grew his hair out and just seemed to be going through the post super bowl I have been there done that syndrome. Then he injured himself. That with the addition of Umenyiora and Tuck being shadows of their former selves. Now he is working his way back into shape but doesn't have any help on the other side so he is a one man show.

If the Giants don't get some additional help on the line so they can't double team JPP and if he doesn't fully recover, he maybe the biggest one and done the NFL has ever seen.
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