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Who is the worst offensive linemen to play for Giants?

cm512 : 10/23/2013 4:40 pm
My friends and I were discussing this. Our nominees were Ian Allen, Bob Whitfield, and Jim Cordle. Obviously these are all somewhat recent.
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bob whitfield should not be in that list  
GiantsFan84 : 10/23/2013 5:05 pm : link
he was decent for a little while when he wasn't head-butting opponents
No the freaking kid we drafted in the 3rd  
Carl in CT : 10/23/2013 5:07 pm : link
Round from IVY league who never made it Hatch?
John Hicks  
Gman11 : 10/23/2013 5:07 pm : link
What a waste of a first round pick that was.
Gus Coppens  
GeofromNJ : 10/23/2013 5:11 pm : link
12th round draft pick of the Rams in 1978. Played in nine games for the Giants in 1979. His play stood out on a Monday Night football game against the Redskins, a game the Giants lost 27-0. Howard Cosell, a closet Giants fan, apologized to the viewers for being part of televising such ineptitude.
Bob Whitfield was John Ogden compared to Tam Hopkins  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/23/2013 5:19 pm : link
and Ian Allen.
Hands down, Jeff Hatch  
FranknWeezer : 10/23/2013 5:20 pm : link
Just looking at him makes me angry.

Nice call Geo. I don't recall Gus  
Jimmy Googs : 10/23/2013 5:24 pm : link
but I will take your word if you are quoting Howard Cosell.

From more recent times, Ian Allen was just horrible. I recall Eagle games where their defensive lineman would push each to see who could line up across from Allen on 3rd downs.
I second Jeff Hatch.  
TC : 10/23/2013 5:28 pm : link
Each season the Giants should hand out a Jeff Hatch award to the first OL cut.
I remember when Frankie . . . .  
TC : 10/23/2013 5:30 pm : link
punked him in practice, and the coaches bounced Frankie.
TTH  
VanPelt/Manning#10 : 10/23/2013 5:32 pm : link
Tam Hopkins! A name I had completely erased from my memory. Until somebody comes up with the next winner, I've got to go with him, and even then I might not change my mind.
Willie Young  
Bryan : 10/23/2013 5:52 pm : link
.
Everyone who played in the 70's  
Paul from L.A. : 10/23/2013 6:01 pm : link
except Doug van Horn.
Yeah the 70's had some awful players, the worst had to have been  
steve in ky : 10/23/2013 6:04 pm : link
from that period. More recently the name Toby Myles comes to mind
GIANTAce nails it.  
Red Dog : 10/23/2013 6:27 pm : link
Clueless.

Ian Allen is tough to beat  
nomad1986 : 10/23/2013 6:38 pm : link
but the Giants OL I disliked the most who actually might have been worse than Ian Allen and did much more damage on the field was Roy Simmons. If it wasn't for Simmons (and the idiot Handley) Phil Simms would probably be in the Hall of Fame .
Of the guys I've seen, Ian Allen, Tam Hopkins, & Jeff Hatch are  
Optimus-NY : 10/23/2013 6:40 pm : link
clearly the worst.
cordle eh...  
mattlawson : 10/23/2013 6:48 pm : link
PFF's rankings of him dont really support your argument. not bad, not good.

Since we're reliving the pain  
pganut : 10/23/2013 6:50 pm : link
How about Wayne Lucier? Chris Bober?
Greg Bishop.  
Jints33 : 10/23/2013 7:07 pm : link
.
Cordle  
blue42 : 10/23/2013 7:14 pm : link
is ok....he doesn't belong in this thread.
A question like this  
freddie wilson : 10/23/2013 7:27 pm : link
always brings to mind the immortal Rich Buzin. Maybe he wasn't actually the worst but he just symbolizes those dark times to me.
Greg Bishop  
PEEJ : 10/23/2013 7:31 pm : link
a name that will live in infamy
Yup - Ian Allen  
gersh : 10/23/2013 7:45 pm : link
If people here watched him, they wouldn't even consider anyone else.
don't forget...  
jnoble : 10/23/2013 8:15 pm : link
"False start! #77...ten yards...." Luke Penalty-gout
Petitgout?  
Rob in NYC : 10/23/2013 8:17 pm : link
Shakes head....
Cordle is not good  
lalalalala : 10/23/2013 8:29 pm : link

Baas is "good", when he is healthy. which isn't very often.
I don't know if he's Ian Allen bad, though
If we were rating the worst group of Giant lineman  
Jimmy Googs : 10/23/2013 8:38 pm : link
This current group of 5 (Beatty, Boothe, Cordle, Diehl and Pugh) should garner some votes.

What the heck...  
Chris in Philly : 10/23/2013 8:40 pm : link
is wrong with your brain when Petitgout comes to mind as worst OL in franchise history?
Ian Allen get that honor  
Anakim : 10/23/2013 8:40 pm : link
.
I know he didn't play a meaningful game for us  
LPete : 10/23/2013 8:52 pm : link
but Matt McCants was fooking awful. And now he's getting PT with Oakland. Go figure.
Funny story  
Tuckrule : 10/23/2013 8:53 pm : link
My friends brother plays at Cornell and was a standout field goal blocker during his career. In his house is a picture of him blocking a field goal and who is the person who fell down and made it possible. Jeff hatch. I see it every time I go over his house. A side note he's best friends with boothe as they were teammates at Cornell and co captains
Ian Allen  
Mike in NY : 10/23/2013 9:03 pm : link
Tam Hopkins
Jim Cordle
Scott Davis
Adam Koets
Chris Bober  
Mark from Jersey : 10/23/2013 9:10 pm : link
came to mind first...Hatch was a disaster (3rd rounder if I remember correctly)
Willie Young Wasn't That Bad  
clatterbuck : 10/23/2013 9:38 pm : link
but he had a teammate, I think his name was Ron Miko...something who was pretty bad. He was a wrestler in the offseason. When Alex Webster cut Rich Buzin, he called him a 15-yard holding penalty waiting to happen.
This is off topic  
ray in arlington : 10/23/2013 9:56 pm : link
but while we're discussing offensive lineman, I'd like to ask what the story was with John Hicks? He was a highly regarded lineman drafted by the Giants, but his career was pretty short and he didn't play after the Giants traded him to Pittsburgh.
jeff  
bc4life : 10/23/2013 9:58 pm : link
hatch
Hatch is the clear winner  
BBurns : 10/23/2013 11:18 pm : link
Al Simpson 1975
Jeff Wiska 1982
Toby Miles 19998
Drew Srojny 2004

Hoarable mention to Wayne Lucier
worst OL  
Dylan fan : 10/24/2013 3:43 am : link
I have to imagine these 1 to 2 year wonders who actually played in games since 1960 would have to be near the top of the list:

player POS yr drafted round
Matt McCants T 2012 6
Wayne Lucier G 2003 7
Jeff Hatch T 2002 3
Paul O'Connor G 1987 5
Steve Cisowski T 1986 8
Jack Oliver T 1985 6
Brian Johnston C 1985 3
Kevin Belcher C 1983 6
Jeff Wiska G 1972 7
Dan Fowler G 1979 10
Al Simpson G 1975 2
Carl Schaukowitch G 1973 15
Mark Ellison G 1971 11
Tony DiMidio T 1964 5
Frank Lasky T 1963 2
Ed Adamchik C 1963 12
Reed Bohovich G 1962 9
Bruce Tarbox G 1961 2
Moses Gray T 1961 9

Stats re games played were murkier pre-1960.

Here links to every OL the Giants ever drafted: Center - http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=1936&year_max=2013&type=&round_min=1&round_max=30&slot_min=1&slot_max=500&league_id=&team_id=nyg&pos=C&college_id=all&conference=any&show=all

Tackle - http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=1936&year_max=2013&type=&round_min=1&round_max=30&slot_min=1&slot_max=500&league_id=&team_id=nyg&pos=T&college_id=all&conference=any&show=all

Guard - http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=1936&year_max=2013&type=&round_min=1&round_max=30&slot_min=1&slot_max=500&league_id=&team_id=nyg&pos=G&college_id=all&conference=any&show=all
scott gragg...  
BCD : 10/24/2013 8:16 am : link
Bishop ...holding and offside king
RE: This is off topic  
Fpbflppt : 10/25/2013 8:00 am : link
In comment 11296813 ray in arlington said:
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but while we're discussing offensive lineman, I'd like to ask what the story was with John Hicks? He was a highly regarded lineman drafted by the Giants, but his career was pretty short and he didn't play after the Giants traded him to Pittsburgh.


Are you referring to John "Holding!" Hicks?
Kevin Belcher was a stud, athletic OC.  
BlueLou : 10/25/2013 10:49 am : link
He was well on his way to becoming a very good OC when a knee injury struck him down.
a knee injury wasn't Kevin Belcher's downfall  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2013 10:55 am : link
He was in a horrific car wreck that shattered his leg, much like Chad Jones.
Thanks for the correction Greg!  
BlueLou : 10/25/2013 10:58 am : link
Back in the 80s, I might've had a bit more spleef and wine than is good for the memory. Coulda swore it was a knee...
I knew Hatch a little bit in college  
RB^2 : 10/25/2013 10:58 am : link
It's weird reading all this stuff about him LOL.
Belcher was a huge loss at the time  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2013 11:03 am : link
But it worked out OK for the Giants as they landed Bart Oates from the USFL as his replacement.
Bober actually did alright at C  
Andy in Halifax : 10/25/2013 11:06 am : link
and then had some success with KC. He doesn't belong on the list at all.

I don't remember much about Lucier but Roehl and Allen came to my mind first. I had them over Hatch because I don't actually remember Hatch playing that much other than preseason. Perhaps I just blocked it out of my memory.
Was Jon Mendenhall lost to a knee injury?  
BlueLou : 10/25/2013 11:08 am : link
Maybe I crossed them up? Mendenhall was a heck of an NT too before he was injured.
from the same time frame as Belcher....  
Greg from LI : 10/25/2013 11:11 am : link
...Curtis McGriff's career was ended by a knee injury
Jeff Hatch but only  
bob in tx : 10/25/2013 11:22 am : link
because CiP confirmed that Hatch successfully hid a back injury from the NYG medical staff.
Greg Bishop  
Matt M. : 10/25/2013 1:27 pm : link
If I'm not mistaken, he had a string of several weeks with multiple penalties each game. When he didn't commit a penalty, he simply whiffed.
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