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Double A gap blitz...

MikeN in Ottawa : 10/24/2013 8:02 am
Jon Gruden went on about this Monday night and they also showed highlights from previous games where teams are attacking us there. It seems to be a problem...

We are not picking it up on a regular basis...is that the O-line or are the backs not picking it up? What can be done to correct this?

Better center and guard play,  
GiantFilthy : 10/24/2013 8:05 am : link
or better centers and guards.
Have Eli rollout?  
Headhunter : 10/24/2013 8:08 am : link
.
Two guys blowing past their man at full speed  
jcn56 : 10/24/2013 8:09 am : link
just after the snap are going to get to Eli rolling out, unless they're allowing the use of jet packs now.

This is on Cordle and Diehl (and to a lesser extent, Boothe) for sucking.
Need cohesion to pick it up  
Jimmy Googs : 10/24/2013 8:17 am : link
between the line and folks in the backfield. Minnesota seemed to do a good job of confusing Cordle when they were coming or when they faked and just dropped back out.

I presume the goal is to mess up the blocking assignments so a defender comes in free, or another gap becomes exposed. I presume it also could keep RBs tied up in the backfield instead of going out on routes.

We ran it as well a number of times against Freeman.
Baas handles it better  
I Love Clams Casino : 10/24/2013 8:25 am : link
The fractions of a second that Cordle misses his block are having a disastrous effect. It's amazing how often the guy completely whiffs on his block, it's almost every play. Baas at least gets a piece. Cordle is a HUGE problem
It also would help not to be  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/24/2013 8:28 am : link
In 3rd and long all the time.

This OL doesn't have any sure fire guys on it that you can just assume will be solid to above average for the next few years. Not one.
It's cordle  
Tuckrule : 10/24/2013 8:29 am : link
Cordle simply does not have nfl strength. So many times I watch him either block nobody or fall down. He has no base. At least baas was strong at the poa and held his ground. Can't stay healthy but a good center when he is.
It's less about Cordles strength..  
arcarsenal : 10/24/2013 8:32 am : link
And more about him not knowing who he's supposed to pick up.
The answer...  
silverfox : 10/24/2013 8:33 am : link
...is kinda obvious.
I think sometimes they did it simply to isolate  
SwirlingEddie : 10/24/2013 8:36 am : link
the tackle one on one without help from the backer. Beatty got beat this way at least once.
wouldn't a quick pitch out destroy that blitz?  
Dave : 10/24/2013 8:42 am : link
get the ball outside with their lb's stuck inside?
I rewatched the first half last night and Baas was  
Jimmy Googs : 10/24/2013 8:45 am : link
really strong at the point of attack on that first drive. I have not been a supporter of him, but he was fully controlling his DT assignment and/or helping the Guards on numerous snaps. We were actually gaining yards on first down and many runs were right up the middle...successful runs.

As Cordle comes in at end of 1QTR, Minnesota adjusts immediately and starts putting more men near the LOS and forcing pressure up the middle. The Giants RBs now are seeing no room to run in middle and are bouncing outside and getting tackled with minimal gains. Several passing plays also have Eli now rolling out or set up with a moving pocket as Giants probably adjust to the fact the D-Line is now getting pressure.

Cordle is doing "okay" at best and allows a pressure/hit on Eli's TD pass but does just enough to allow the pass to get off. But you can see momentum is shifting at the LOS by halftime in favor of the Vikings.

I will look at second half today.
RE: The answer...  
okiegiant : 10/24/2013 8:54 am : link
In comment 11296995 silverfox said:
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...is kinda obvious.


Fire Coughlin and Gilbride?
It's  
NJGiantFan84 : 10/24/2013 8:54 am : link
givinbg Eli fits. Half the time they fake like they are going to blitz through the A-Gaps but don't. Both when tey blitz and when they fake is really hurting us offensively. I'm not sure how to combat this outside of better play, but they need to figure something out soon.
Cordle and Baas both stink and then Boothe is too slow  
PSIMMS 22-25-268 : 10/24/2013 8:59 am : link
to react and slide to his right. Not to mention that our right guard is David Diehl.
there is a counter move that gilbride has to figure out  
Dave : 10/24/2013 9:02 am : link
I'd think that a D that commits that much to the middle is leaving something exposed elsewhere
The counter to me  
Jimmy Googs : 10/24/2013 9:08 am : link
is the slot receiver and/or tight end be aware of potential LB blitz up the middle. If they come, then run into the exposed short middle and get a quick pass from Eli.

If they don't come, I presume you can keep your original assignment?
this could be solved with HB  
Ben in Adirondacks : 10/24/2013 9:20 am : link
If blitz then block if not run out to flat for check down
Is any of this on Eli at all?  
barens : 10/24/2013 9:23 am : link
They are not getting to him every they the defense brings a double A gap blitz.
how about Jacobs, Hillis, and Connor all line up in the backfield  
mattlawson : 10/24/2013 9:27 am : link
a 3 FB formation in a sense. could be really something!
They've been using the TE  
JonC : 10/24/2013 9:46 am : link
and putting him in the A gap to pick up the rusher in front of him, while the C and OG pick up their man, they showed it on replay Monday night. Other BBI threads have detailed it too.
and, the poster above is correct RE: Baas  
JonC : 10/24/2013 9:51 am : link
Baas was very capable of handling his man and helping one OG, thus Eli's pocket center is clean, running lanes up the middle were more consistent for the RBs, etc.
Catch 22  
B in ALB : 10/24/2013 10:07 am : link
The defense shows A gap blitzes at the line - Giants move a TE to help the G, protection changes for a combo, eliminating a receiver for Eli - blitz or bail for the defense audibled based on protection.

The defense shows A gap blitzes at the line - Eli calls the protection based on the mike, they man up and one or both blitzers bail.

Defenses are regularly exploiting the Giants inherent weaknesses at the C and G positions. It's a guessing game now for the Giants and they're guessing wrong most of the time - not to mention that 1 and 3 gaps are almost never blocked at the PoA.

It's astounding that a professional football team is regularly being beat by this scheme.
"Regularly beaten by the scheme"  
HomerJones45 : 10/24/2013 10:39 am : link
Please. They beat it at least 4 times in the second half the other night- not that anyone listening to Gruden prattle on would have been told. Three times by throwing to Hillis (the pass Eli missed to a wide open Hillis was on an A-gap blitz) and the 4th with a throw to one of the wideouts (I think) when Myers took on the blitzer on the right side and did a very creditable job.

Do you guys really think Eli, whose best attribute is his brain, and Gilbride, who has seen A-gap blitzes for 30 years, are fooled by something as basic as an A-gap blitz?

RE:  
shabu : 10/24/2013 11:11 am : link
In comment 11297208 HomerJones45 said:
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Please. They beat it at least 4 times in the second half the other night- not that anyone listening to Gruden prattle on would have been told. Three times by throwing to Hillis (the pass Eli missed to a wide open Hillis was on an A-gap blitz) and the 4th with a throw to one of the wideouts (I think) when Myers took on the blitzer on the right side and did a very creditable job.

Do you guys really think Eli, whose best attribute is his brain, and Gilbride, who has seen A-gap blitzes for 30 years, are fooled by something as basic as an A-gap blitz?


They may not be fooled but with the lack of talent at RG and Center you are forced to check downs and shorter passes...

Evidently reese was fooled in thinking BAAS / Snee could still play.
Regularly beaten  
B in ALB : 10/24/2013 11:16 am : link
Includes the snaps where Myers was forced to stay in despite being one of Eli's primary reads based on down and distance. The defense eliminated a receiving threat on obvious passing downs and relied on the fact that the Giants 1 and 2 gaps are extremely vulnerable.
The fix was two or three years ago.  
Red Dog : 10/24/2013 11:27 am : link
And they didn't make it.
people dropped passes  
alligatorpie : 10/24/2013 5:40 pm : link
gilbride had it covered well a few times with some simple nifty shit and the passes were dropped, nicks, others
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